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Satanic Social Ethics

Satanic Social Ethics

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Equality, Egalitarianism and Social Stratification in Satanism


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CURIOUS

(Anonymous)
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT WOULD COMPEL YOU TO CREATE SUCH A WEB PAGE. I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS WEB SITE BUT AS YOU HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH,OH WELL. I PERSONALLY KNOW TOO MANY (ONE IN PARTICULAR) PEOPLE WHO satanism RUINED THEIR LIVES. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT SOMEONE WOULD CREATE A SITE DEDICATED TO SUCH A DARK TOPIC. IN THEIR NATURE PEOPLE ARE COMPELLED TO GO AFTER THE UNEXPLAINED, THAT COULD BE WHY. BUT IN MY OPINION SATANISM IS WRONG. HOW COULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ENDORSE OR FOLLOW SUCH A JOKE OF A "BELIEF" IS BEYOND ME, YOUR FOLLOWING A being WHO WANTS NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE ALL OF MANKIND THROWN INTO TURMOIL AND DESPAIR. X ARCHANGEL X


I understand your confusion, but for many Satanism is not a "joke" of a belief.

Also -- on the topic of turmoil and despair, please sort out your caps lock, you sound like a ranty teenager writing in all caps.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/notes/capslock.html

It's not about the "Unexplained", if that's what it was, we'd all just read Fortean Times and attend their Unconventions and wouldn't bother with the rest.

Re: CURIOUS

(Anonymous)
I agree. I try not to judge, but in my humanity i think this is just plain dumb.

Satanism is a Philosophy

(Anonymous)
Because Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is bullshit.

I hate you andyour religion

Thanks for all your comments, you said below "my soulis still with Christ", why do you find it possible to hate someone you've never met? Don't you even take your own religion, "love thy enemies", seriously? Or are you yet another Christian hypocrite?

I think that your ethics are st..pid.
I'm serious.Satanism ruined my life.
But my soulis still with Christ.
I would join an antisatanist crusade anytime if I could.
Love,Ardor

If Satanism ruined your life, I think you were really quite foolish to become a Satanist, or piss off Satanists (whatever), and you should really take responsibility for your own actions.

If you think the ethics are stupid, please say more (for example pointing out something you find is wrong or stupid), rather than show yourself up with immature comments.

I pray that your would encounter God and that juast like Saul who later became Paul He would radically transform your life and that you may use your words to build the kingdom of God! I know that deed down you are not at peace with this position and you probably have a good reason for disliking christian (we are not always easy to love) but God is not like man - His love for you even in this state is everlasting... If you call to Him - He will bring you to a place of freedom, joy and true fulfilment... May you encounter the Love of God! Bless you!

Learn to code.

(Anonymous)
Sucks that all of you freaks don't learn how to code a simple weblog.

Thankyou

(Anonymous)
I just wanted to thank you for making such an awesome webpage. This really helped me learn more about Satanism and this site is really kick ass.

Thanks (belated!).

I was just searching around and I found this...I'll admit, most of what I read makes a lot of sense. I thought that whole "If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him." was sort of ehh...silly. But then after reading what was written in the explanations (that it wasn't really meant to KILL them) it made sense like everything else. I just wanted to say I have more respect for the religion now, even if I'm not about to go and convert. It's good that someone made a site like that to explain it to the uninformed.

Your Rules.

(Anonymous)
Hello,
Your rules are great and for the most part make sense to me. I happen to be wiccan and can still see the concepts behind the rules. In most ways all the rules follow basic rules for how people should treat everyone. For the most part I try to forgive someone for the things they do. However I'm still human and sometimes you just can't forgive what someone has done to you. I don't follow satan, but I understand that he is still a force in the grand scheme of things. Like I said once before I'm a wiccan and I choose to respect other people's ways even if they are not mine as well.

I'm the wiccan from before.

(Anonymous)
Yeah no shit I was reading the others comments on the page and you want to talk about hypocrites. That is a good one. As it is most christians will only follow maybe one the of 10 commandments. This is my favorite. Tho shell not kill. That my friend is a good one. How many folks eat animals and plants. Science has proven that plants and animals are alive and yet are eaten everyday by them. Another one is that at one time there GOD was not forgiving at all. He\She killed as it saw fit. The hand of GOD killed destroyed the planet of life once before because of sin and all of a sudden GOD forgives everything you have done just by asking for forgiveness. My grandmother was a true diehard christian and that is the only person I've ever meet that wasn't a hypocrite. She followed all 10 commandments to the T (As far as I know.) Yes I was raised as a christian by my mother. However at the age of about 6 I found the ways of magic and nature a bigger part of my life. Today I'm 24 and still my mother doesn't know the ways I follow. And no it's not because she would disown me. It's because one of are rules is simple. To keep silent that's all there is to it. Your never talk about it with someone who will tell you that you are worgn for what you follow. For your own good. If my spelling is off anywhere in this to bad. As when I was four I was hit by a car and it caused minor brain damage. I still have a I.Q. of 128 and normal is somewhere in the 90-110 range. No I'm not trying to brag either just laying the facts down is all.

Hello?

(Anonymous)
Just Looking

satanism

(Anonymous)
Hello im an athiest and i agree with alot of the things you are writing about but i dont think it is necissary to put it all into a dogmatic religion beliving in something to solve problems for you and give your life a purpose seems like something that shouldnt be satanic since it doesnt benifit yourself and is idealistic i thin kthat there is no higher power that watches over us and or helps and saves us, but i think your an intellegent person and i would love to discuss things with you further if you have aim my screen name is memoryxburns or my e-mail is xunseenx@sbcglobal.net if you have windows or msn messenger or just e-mail me thank you.

Re: satanism

(Anonymous)
satanism... satanism... satanism
SHMATANISM!
you want to be a follower of satan? do everything you can to destroy the joy of others.thats what i do because i know thats what satan wants. you think there are rules like for instance: "respect others territories"and "dont give your opinion unless asked"?
your a goddamned fool for falling for this nonsense!
if you want to do what satan wants then kill,rape,lie,steal,etc...
there are no rules except do what you have to to make it to Hell with our father.
look at you. trying to make an organization out of something that should be concidered a way of life,that IS a way of life.phony.Ha!
see you in Hell,anyway,no matter.

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Re: satanism

(Anonymous)
you know what it is with you "satanists?". your a bunch of weak individuals with napolean complexes.
you want power to fill that void inside of you. there are other ways of reaching this power. for example-politics. but,obviously you motherfuckers are to stupid to know how to gain this kind of power.
so you start delving into the unknown.
"hey, maybe satan will help me get revenge on that fucker who took my girlfriend from me in front of everybody and then pissed on my carpet at my halloween party!"
but guess what? he was laughing at you,too!
now...i know what your reply to this will be.
"see everybody? here's an example of stupidity".if i was a practicing satanist,of course.
the truth is...YOUR stupid. YOUR weak. you will fail and fail again to truly comprehend the fact that there is no point to all the time and energy you've expended on this non-sense you've spent so many an hour devoted to. your playing with fire and ENRON might as well supply the fuel,my friend.
whats worse?... all these fools that you are misleading...will see you in hell and remember who you are.
i'll be there to. I've got your face memorized. Vexen Crabtree.
hypocrite or not, i don't believe in dragging others down with you.

Ethics

(Anonymous)
I am a psychologist that teaches ethics. I have noticed a similarity, not exact as you have already mentioned, but nonetheless a striking similarity among Satanist principles and those of Humanistic and Existential psychologists. One text I use is Erich Fromm's "Man For Himself" ... and as you have pointed out, one tends to interpret as he sees fit...I find much agreement. Shakespeare said, "To Thine Own Self Be True" ... whether a Satanist or not I think we should all strive to care for our own happiness....the happiness that is deep down inside and often covered up by other people's opinions...other people's rules..and other people's desires.

Sounds like libertarianism to me. Eeew.

Few questions

(Anonymous)
Thank you for creating an informative site. I am currently reasearching all religions for a better awareness of the world. I am an athiest and leaning towards Buddhism. I however find things that need more explanation on your page:

"The Satanist [...] should have the ability to decide what is just" - Satanic Bible7

The problem is with what the individual classifies as just. They might classify the victim of their hate as worthy of it even though the victim is "undeserving" and really an object of jealousy.

Also the words "destroy them" which implicates to kill/ ruin them. For which actions could you justify destroying them in some way. Certainly the consequence you should provide for their action shouldn't be worse than the original action.

"Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself"

Shouldn't Satanism embrace the concept of people to get involved in issues, i.e. - political (ie feminism)/ moral debates. If you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem.

The term "legalistic sheep." like your treating them like a conformist. I agree people should be able to do what they want when they want as long as they aren't hurting someone else. At which point are they still called conformists, some rules are more significant than others.

I however, particularly like the "Religions and Ethics" 3 paragraphs in which you make a point very relevent to all religions and are honest about your interpretations.

"If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy"
"annoy" seems a rather trivial word to provoke "cruelly" and "without mercy". Do tell me what "annoys" entails.


Again I like another section "Criticism of the Ethic of Reciprocity" which bring attention to egotistical people.

Your section on sex is also very insightful. I do not condemn people for their tastes as long as they are safe.

In "Stratification" you say "supports the weak at the expense of the strong". Exactly what do you mean by this statement? What do you mean by weak? Physically weak? Socially weak?

Maybe I'm being too harsh because I'm a firm believer in compassion and forgiveness. Indeed I'm probably not the best person to comment being a vegetarian activist.

However, I take a strong stance, along with you against christianity, islam, judaism etc. However, i don't dislike their followers...I dislike the religion itself and how it paves the way for extremism from different interpretations. However, when religious people look at your site I'm assuming at least you want to inform them and wreck the previous perceptions. But worded differently you might create a deeper interest in some.

Love yah (comment habit...haha. Spread the love)
xx



refrece ethics

(Anonymous)
i wish to address your site inmpressed me. i have read the satanic bible
and i was well impressed on its views. commonly the ethics it is exact
what my father has taght me. i might add my father is a catholic. apon reading the satanic bible could not stop reading realizing all the things that kept me from evolving and having some form of piece of mind. as to say peaple chose their religion on a basis of their own doctrine that would appeases them. there are so much negetive publicity about satanism
especially mono theistic religions that have so many rule that feels a sense of imprisonment of the persons self dignity and identity. i am happy to say and well pleased i was not the only one of same thoght. the only thing is it took me seventeen yrs to come to light in realizing what my belifs are. in refrence to young satanist actions and ethics inposed i do agree 100%.

you think your awesome aye for coming up with this... if you could see what hell was like for just one minute - you'd be getting rid of this site (if you werent too messed up to function)

If your God puts people in hell for believing the wrong things, I'd rather join in an eternity of torment than condone God's immoral scheme. If I were you, I'd think up a better God.

I love your site

(Anonymous)
But credibility..? I want to you use as a source in my speech this upcoming monday. Please help me out..
-Moria

dead_to_you@msn.com - respond to me here a horrible email address i made when i was 15 lol.

believe in god, thats all. believe in spirituality, all this i read in this site is all crap.

I have read some pages on your website and came to the conclusion that you praise satanism as an atheist "religion".
You give moral codes that every human being should have and you label it as satanism.

As an atheist i agree with most of what you wrote but i dont really see the point on calling it satanism...

Would you care to write an article debating what defines your "religion" vs Atheism?

Will you write a book?

(Anonymous)
Have you, or will you write a book or anything about your works?


Re: Will you write a book?

Maybe next decade, when I have time!

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