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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: September 26th, 2003 07:31 pm (UTC) |
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Re: Nice Try
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Er I got one more small voice arguement.
A) If Solipsism is real then why do you feel the need to argue I mean we are fake I don't exist why do you need to explain yourself, I don't mean why do we argue your answer to that is the same reason as pain. I mean why do you feel the need to argue with Dream Creatures.
B) How do you explain people knowing more than you? If you are "God" than how does the person down the street know more about a topic than you how do you not know everything.
C) In fact, why do you sleep, walk, run, sit, eat, drink, play football, THINK!!!!!
Stand around for a month without moving no food water speach anything. Just stand there
Can you do it? No. If you can do it as you die you will relize the mistake you have made but will not be able to go back and then you will as Vex explained eventually lose everything and die.
Good Ridiance
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 19th, 2003 08:58 am (UTC) |
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u dunno ur dreaming when ur in a dream, at least, most of the time, u lose that sense of judgement. however that dream becomes, u dun have an idea of your pseudo-existence in a world created by your brain. and although biologically and psychologically speaking, your brain creates all those people, things, places and events in your dreams, you don't necessarily have the power to control these things you create. in the same way, to say solipsism is a world out of your figment of imagination, you don't necessarily be omnipotent. besides it's also possible that you create conscious beings out of your mind. if their consciousness is dependent upon your existence, then your extinction will mean a total collapse of everything you create.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 22nd, 2004 06:24 am (UTC) |
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Off the wall Theory
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Well, I don't know if any of you have every seen the movie "Waking Life", but I suggest you all do.
Okay here is the deal. My friend and I were sitting on his porch slightly intoxicated and talking about this whole Solipsism thing, although at the time we didn't know that was what it was called. Anyhow we were talking about in relation to dreams.
Consciousness is a dream and reality is a figment of our imagination. Is so far as what we know as existence is a dream. So my friend and I got into the normal Solipsist debate, you are my dream, no you’re mine… Well after another round we started talking again and we decided that the truth in Solipsism is this (in our humble minds):
I am a dreamer, and I dream things so well, so vividly what my dreams have life. They become self-aware and are therefore capable of dreaming themselves, which creates more life. On and on in an endless cycle until death, which is really just the cessation of dreaming. Them we got into Leary’s theory about the 6-12 minutes of brain activity, which are dreams after death in which many believe you can relive your whole life- that would explain reincarnation and also life after death as a god. So the tie in to solipsism is simply that we are all a creation of each other and there is no one universal consciousness except what we know as ourselves. What I mean is that while I am not the only person in existence I am because I am capable of dreaming and “creating” life.
We are humble high school philosophers with no real training other than our own personal research. I know this theory has holes in it but I’m working on it. Feel free to send me an e-mail with comments at ImADreamer9@hotmail.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 17th, 2004 09:53 am (UTC) |
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Solipsism
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Ok, as for Biology, as Husserl would state, it is [bracketed]. It is outside of philosophy, just as all other sciences, and therefore cannot enter the equation of self. It is trancendental.
As for there only being 2 outcomes to "convince others of solipsism", that is wrong. There is a third. And that is that niether of the two "solipsists" exist. But then again, this is not the point of solipsism: to exist, or right or wrong. The point is that one cannot KNOW, to any degree of certainty, anything outside of the Ego, or Self.
As for the "one, true" solipsist being "god" is irrelevent. Solipsism is not a matter of existence, it is a matter of self-knowledge.
Now, this following statement is not an arguement for solipsism, because I am going to mention existence, or the lack thereof, but think about this: When YOU die, to YOU, I and everything that was once a part of YOU dies as well. You will have no way of knowing you or anything else had ever existed. Again, this is not solipsism, but I will leave it at that.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 14th, 2004 03:05 am (UTC) |
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Ockham's Razor
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I will have to take some more time to consider this, but one thing immediately came to mind: you use Ockham's Razor as a counter-argument to solipsism, because it seems to 'cause more problems and questions than it answers'. Now I ask you, still following Ockham's Razor: what could possibly be the need for an objective reality, existing outside oneself? It appears to me that this too would be superfluous. All that I need to exist is my own reality; what could possible be the reason of the creation of an outside world for me to live in, if I could generate one in my own mind? One could maybe argue that each person lives inside his own reality, created out of his own mind. But if this person has contact another person, solipsism automatically ceases to be, as the realities would merge. Or perhaps there are indeed multiple realities, all separated from each other (Picture each person's reality as a circle; multiple realities could exist by multiple, untouching circles)
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: March 6th, 2005 02:17 am (UTC) |
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God Exists
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Hello,
It is true that one cannot physically verify the "other", from the others point of view. In this sense, it is not hard to understand why it is nearly impossible for human beings to believe in the existence of intelligence outside of our own species. So, we have difficulty verifying the existence of extraterrestrials, God, and so on. The "ant" is alive, in a sense, but is not necessarily capable of comprehending the reality of higher life forms. I say higher, because "we" are capable of understanding some of their world, but they are incapable of understanding ours. Solipsism, as an idea, is the expression of the human mind trying to push beyond what it is currently able to comprehend. Since varying levels of consciousness among creatures is verifiable, and the self cannot deny its existence as a creature, at least in part, then it is logical to say that there is the greater possibility that lifeforms beyond our scope of comprehension do exist. If this statement is true, then we must by definition accept that it is possible that we are not the ONLY source of inspiration. Since our minds could be acted upon by another, without our awareness. This is true, whether or not one speaks as a collective mind or of being the "only". To say that all is of you, is to say that reality is less real than that which it affects. This would constitute an impossibility, since reality must exist first, in order to be affected by it. For a more simple analogy, one must first have a hammer to smash ones finger. After that, the pain becomes exceedingly real. The pain wasn't real before the damage. In the same way, we were born, and life became real to us. Before the event of birth our reality did not exist. So, reality created you and not the other way around. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect that what we see as others, is in fact true.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 7th, 2005 09:34 pm (UTC) |
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post me here www.omegaprime.blog.com - Rumbolo
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This is a fact - We all believe in something greater than ourselves, even if it's just the blind forces of chance
I believe in the Universe as the one. The one behind the many faces of our gods and goddesses, our dietes and our spirits. I think the Universe is conscious in a way we could probably never understand. It is engaged in a constant search for meaning. So it breaks itself apart, investing its own consciousness in every form of life. We are the universe trying to understand itself. What is truth? Truth is a river. What is the Universe? The Universe is the mouth of the river.
How i see it there are at least 5 supreme questions in our lives that we must contemplate and if we can answer them correctly we will have achieved true understanding.
Who are you?
What do you want?
Why are you here?
Where are you going?
Why am I alive?
Now there may be others but these are the ones i think if you can answer will help you understand yourself and the Universe in a better way. Remember understanding is a three edged sword; your side, their side and the truth. We must reach for the truth.
Some people will not understand nor can they. Some will desire fairness. But wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe. The fact is the Universe puts us in places where we can learn. They are never easy places, but they are right. Wherever we are, it's the right place .. and the right time. Pain that sometimes comes is part of the process of constantly being born. Also keep in mind that pain does not come from the heart or the hand but the mouth. Lies will blacken people's hearts and transform their hands into iron.
Some have proceeded to call me a heretic and a blasphemer and continually tell me that i'm going to hell. I just laugh and tell them if i was going to hell we will all probably wind up in there together anyways. So why not get a headstart?
The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast terrible inbetween. But there is still time to seize that one last fragile moment. To choose something better, to make a difference. And I intend to do just that.
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From: ![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) fewtch |
Date: April 24th, 2005 01:10 pm (UTC) |
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Solipsism
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Hello,
In your essay on solipsism, I noticed you included quotes from the Isha Upanishad. On the surface, these may seem to be espousing solipsism, however if you look into the Upanishads further you'll realize that Advaita Vedanta proposes a "small self" (our everyday selves, our egos) and a "big Self" (often written with a capital "S"). Thus the Upanishads aren't solipsistic, but nondualistic with a Vedantic (as opposed to Buddhist) flavor. I guess there's nothing wrong with taking a quote that *appears to* support solipsism, but I do feel it's misleading.
BTW, I agree with you that solipsism is not only false, but rather shallow and ultimately dangerous. What's to stop a solipsist from raping, torturing and harming others if they believe others are mere figments of their imagination? However, I feel solipsism contains a grain of truth, a "hint" if you will, which is one reason so many can't seem to shake the feeling there's something to it.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 30th, 2005 02:44 pm (UTC) |
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Your essay on Solipsism
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Good essay. The awareness of subtleties, and the gracious withdrawing from unproveable (but likely) propositions, made it all the more worthwhile.
My own feeling is that Solipsism is, since its ultimate basis is founded in an inability to feel that the consciousness of others exists as much as one's own, no more than an indication that the "solipsist" is one who is incapable of feeling of and for more than him/her self. Whether one calls the ability (or capacity) to be aware of others by the name of Love, is really neither here nor there, though such nomenclature is not without use if only as a vehicle for imagery with an interest pre-declared. However try telling a mother who hears her child cry that there is no reality other than herself, and at one level Solipsism can be dismissed instantly and entirely (other than for the simply mischievous or determinedly depressed).
If one wished to develop thought further, one would have to bring in both Aristotle on the nature of virtue (does it exist of itself or is it something adhered to for selfish ends), and arguments developed in the book "The Selfish Gene", relating insfar as they do to the idea that all is based around self. The latter is however a shallow approach, since by implication the selfish gene will do all that is necessary, including the making of allies, to further its health and survival. The former is something that can only be experienced.
All I can add from a personal point of view is that I have been aware of others at times in the same ontological and holistic way as I experience myself.
In summary, to embrace or consider the possibility of the correctness of Solipsism being valid, is to, implicitly or explicitly, admit to a lack of capacity to feel.
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I agree with vexen