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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 14th, 2004 12:00 pm (UTC) |
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haha - I laugh at you but I cry on behalf of Nietzsche
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i really can't be bothered to write a full commentary on this essay of yours, but just a few things:
- you've totally misconstrued the idea of harmony between body and mind. although you appear to agree with the idea, you still analyze it from a dualistic perspective.
- you think yourself areligious but your a satanist - hence you still belong to the world of religion, and christian religion at that. You might argue that by being a satanist you escape religion, but really you are a satanist so that you can maintain the comunal comfort of the congregation and avoid truly going your own way - nietzsche would be very disapointed
- You say that Nietzsche says yes to indulgence - did you miss the countless passages in the body of his work where he praises moderation? 'Joylessness, not joy, is the mother of excess.' from human all-too-human i believe, but like i said i really can't be bothered to check references for a crtique like this.
- You refer to Nietzsche as a nihilist and pessimist - this quote of Nietzsche's came to mind in particular when i read that:
'I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let that be my love henceforth! I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all and on the whole: some day I wish to be only a Yes-sayer.' - from the gay science
it appears as though you were close but missed the point - the yes-saying spirit becomes the absolute opposite of a nihilist/pessimist. Nietzsche knew this - you do not.
- you really ought to remember that nietzsche formulated everything in terms of the will to power. and in his geneology of morality he labels the ascetic as possessing more power than any other (later, in Ecce Homo, he appears to hint that it is he himself/zarathustra who possessed the will to power unlike any other man ever had). ask yourself; would an ascetic monk, or would nietzsche--the polite little man that he was, you might do well to note--ever say to another human being, as you do, "Bow down before me, for I am the highest embodiment of Human Life"? No.
- Perhaps you ought to learn a bit more about nietzsche, and philosophy in general before you write about such things? The problem with people like you is that when you read nietzsche, you only hear him when he yells - you don't realize that he wispered much of what he thought, so that people without sufficient 'cultivation' (i like that you used that word) would not be able to hear him.
shall we close out with a little advice from the man himself? I quote incorrectly, as this is off the top of my head, i believe this too is from human all-too-human:
there are horrible people who make such a mess of a problem that it is more difficult for those who come after. Those who cannot hit the nail on the head should please not swing the hammer at all!
hayden_kee@hotmail.com
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 1st, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC) |
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Re: haha - I laugh at you but I cry on behalf of Nietzsche
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:) I love Nietzsche.
Hayden, you truly prove him correct in "Beyond Good and Evil" when he wrote, "No one lies as much as the indignant man."
"really you are a satanist so that you can maintain the comunal comfort of the congregation and avoid truly going your own way - nietzsche would be very disapointed"
Satanism is highly individualistic. One does not become a Satanist to socialize, and such a thing is warned against at the Church of Satan's official website.
'Joylessness, not joy, is the mother of excess.'
And from this one can clearly read Nietzsche saying "yes" to what makes us happy AND "yes" to moderation. If joy is gained by indulgence then so be it. Self-denial is a form of excess and something Nietzsche considered quite dangerous to a person.
"in his geneology of morality he labels the ascetic as possessing more power than any other" Nietzsche, my friend, was NOT a cheerleader for asceticism! He was speaking specifically about the will to power there and giving a strong form of it in the ascetic. A line from "Beyond Good and Evil" part 47:
"Up to this point, wherever religious neurosis has appeared on earth, we find it tied up with three dangerous dietary rules: isolation, fasting, and sexual abstinence"
Furthermore, Anti-Christ, Chapter 8: "This poisoning goes a great deal further than most people think: I find the arrogant habit of the theologian among all who regard themselves as "idealists" -- among all who, by virtue of a higher point of departure, claim a right to rise above reality, and to look upon it with suspicion. . . The idealist, like the ecclesiastic, carries all sorts of lofty concepts in his hand ( -- and not only in his hand!); he launches them with benevolent contempt against "understanding," "the senses," "honor," "good living," "science". he sees such things as beneath him, as pernicious and seductive forces, on which "the spirit" soars as a pure thing-in-itself -- as if humility, chastity, poverty, in a word, holiness, had not already done much more damage to life than all imaginable horrors and vices. . . The pure spirit is a pure lie. . . So long as the priest, that professional denier, calumniator and poisoner of life, is accepted as a higher variety of man, there can be no answer to the question, What is truth? Truth has already been stood on its head when the obvious attorney of mere emptiness is mistaken for its representative."
Asceticism leads to emptiness and a butchering of the senses. However, Nietzsche and LaVey both agreed (In "Beyond" and in the Satanic Bible" that it is a form of masochism, for a life of self-denial is a life of self-abuse. And in Christianity, such masochism is greatly rewarded. And the guilt that comes with being a pious Christian (that burning sensation in the chest), alone, is a form of masochism for many believers. But for hedonists and lovers of all that life and the world have to offer, Christianity comes on in the form of what Nietzsche called "moralic acid." A morality in complete opposition to his. Nietzsche's having none of this guilt-ridden, absolutist, idealism.
"would an ascetic monk, or would nietzsche--the polite little man that he was, you might do well to note--ever say to another human being, as you do, "Bow down before me, for I am the highest embodiment of Human Life"? No." The "woulds" and "would-nots" of a monk are completely irrelavent at this point so I'll just explain LaVey's declaration there. It is a glimps into the mind of the Satanist. Only a jack ass would literally say it to some one, for god sakes! The statement is just the arrogance they feel inside, and it's also to say, they're not going to be bowing down to any man-made idol which is just a reflection of the human's ego who created it. It's a form of extreme individuality which rejects any and all slavishness
"there are horrible people who make such a mess of a problem that it is more difficult for those who come after. Those who cannot hit the nail on the head should please not swing the hammer at all!" Amen to that!!
Yes, it is clear that Nietzsche was an anti-nihilist. But he knew nihilism was necessary and inevitable to sweep the world one day right before the Ubermensch rose from the crisis which would follow.
--Ray
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 26th, 2004 07:43 pm (UTC) |
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hey man
thanks for your decent response to my post, and i'm sorry i was a bit out of line when i replied to your essay. I think i sometimes get it into my head that i'm on some sort of pilgrimage to protect Nietzsche's reputation, so much so that i sometimes try to make him look 'better' than he is. Ironically enough, he once wrote (in ecce homo, i think) that he had a terrible fear that his name would one day be pronounced holy. I suppose i often just try to eliminate some of the misconceptions about him and make him acceptable to some people who just think he was a nazi. At the same time, i stand by much of the criticism I made previously, but there is no doubt that the manner i made it in was unfair and unacceptable. I was gritting my teeth as I wrote it, and I admit that I wasn't above trying to humiliate you. When I saw how you'd responded to my response I realized that I was the one who should be embarrassed, and I truly was.
My most sincere appologies -- I took a quick peak at your website, and if I have time I might reply to some of your other writings, but this time in a more constructive manner. I think the only thing that originally made me upset with you was your satanism -- and some of what follows from that satanism I can't understand in the context of your other thought. For example, you quote Anton LaVey: "Bow down before me, for I am the highest embodiment of Human Life". But I noticed when brousing about your website that you don't htink there is any fundamental difference between human life and artificial intelligence. How than, can you justify calling yourself any better than any other human being if you are not even better than a computer? Once again, I ask this not as a reproach, but simply from one inquiring mind to another.
Hayden Kee -- hayden_kee@hotmail.com
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