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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Long hard road out of hell

Just read Long hard road out of hell by Marilyn Manson. Was a good read. Admittedly when I bought it (a year ago) I just read the chapter on MM's meeting with Anton LaVey to see what he said. More or less what I expected, with the addition that Manson said, "I already knew everything there was to know about the Doc, but he knew little about me...", as I wondered where he got this information from!

Manson surprised me by commenting on some significant esoteric books he'd read, and although I knew some of his "messages" from previous comments I've read I got a new understanding, an inspiring one, of his Antichrist mentality.

Shame I don't really like his music except for a handful of tracks, but for want of more musicians with his anti-stagnation power I may just buy his albums anyway. And I plan on quoting him at least once throughout the Vexen Websites:

"AntiChrist Superstar is [... about] what everybody feels in their hearts but is too afraid to say. It's honest. It's not picking on any one person, it's picking on everbody including myself. We're all hypocrites, but by admitting it, you transcend it and it no longer becomes a personality defect as it is in the people who blindly cling to their own self-righteousness. By knowing all this, you grow from it. I've grown from it."
Marilyn Manson, "The long hard road out of hell" Plexus Publishing Ltd 1998, p261

Which is something I'd write, but in order to show respect I'll find a place I've wrote it and quote Manson instead.

Oh... one thing I expected in the book but didn't find... based on the drug-frenzies and subsequent spirit-malaise of Marc Almond which resulted in him coming clean of drugs, I expected more of a closure on drugs perhaps Manson has more energy, more demonic blood, than Marc Almond and can keep at it for longer!

I think the title of the book is given because the first biographal word of the book is "HELL...". It's worth a read just to see the endless stupidity Manson faces, the more outspoken American Christians' antics are so absurd it's entertaining, and to read of the intense and non stop self-abuse and debauchery of Manson himself.

Manson is now, officially, the most hedonistic person I know of to date but note that I don't read many "lives of the rock stars" type of books.

Vexen resultant emotions: Impressed, empassioned, pleased, humbled, self-assured, grateful, inspired to keep trying.
Female match: Diamanda Galas.

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Though an interesting read with some stand out parts... i remember after reading it, i disliked mm as a person and had even less respect for him in the first place. I was when it first came out 4 years ago that i read it... maybe i should give it a second read.

I thought it was a very good read but during certain parts i got the distinct impression the author was basicly saying 'All pity manson, hes had such a hard life' (id asume under instruction from manson to do this) which i found a real let down. Other then that a fine read.

I think I'm so used to expecting elements like that in biographies that I compensated for them... because most of the "hard life" aspects were self-imposed through self neglect and irresponsibility, I read it as a battle between self imposed self-destruction and self-empowerment... I didn't feel any "pity" (except for some of those harmed by either Manson's crew and those opposing him) for Manson...

But I did cry a tear when his only stable girlfriend, Missi, was suddenly ill (when she soooo didn't deserve it!) and he realized how unconditionally accepted he was by her (despite his own unpredictability and dishonest (but obvious and drugged up) infidelities) and Trent "despite not having to, perhaps my doubts about him were wrong..." sat with him in the waiting room all night until the doctors released her... I felt sad for them! And I cried when she had her abortion too... from the testimony of this book (unspoken) she was a true hero.

(Vexen makes mental note (not for the first time): When sleep deprived, do not write book commentary. You've told yourself this before haven't you...)

I plan to buy The Golden Age of the Grotesque, which will be my first purchased Manson album. (I was given Mechanical Animals just so I could hear Dope Show.) It's more on principle than anything.

Have you read Dissecting Marilyn Manson by Gavin Baddeley? I have it here, a copy he gave to me. If you'd care to temp-swap Long Hard Road Out of Hell for Dissecting, let me know. Once we're done, we can swap back. I haven't read it yet.

Diamanda Galas is apparently bathing in a rediscovered Catholicism (yes, the woman who wrote The Shit of God and who recorded The Litanies of Satan). I've met her, and she was incredible in concert (I wept!), but she will spit in your face if you tell her you're a Satanist. She's already done it to Boyd Rice, and Thomas Thorn hates her guts over something to which I'm not privy (but he said it directly to me, that I should burn or sell all of her records. Hahaha!).


I don't know why I ended with the MM book I did, I would have preferred the Baddeley version (naturally!) over the Neil Strauss one, as I don't know anything about Strauss. A temp swap seems like an excellent idea, it'd be good/enlightening to see the differences between the books.

Ha ha... Galas has really lost it! Perhaps she's got whatever energy she had out of her system. I'm still planning on buying some more of her old albums... ya know you can buy Galas on

Ok, if you want to drop me an email with your address, I'll email my address and post the book over to you.

Galas HAS lost it, it's true. But she's always been barking. I'd like to clarify that despite being told I should burn her stuff, I didn't. I was a problem child when it came to Thorn, I'm afraid. I have all of her older stuff on vinyl except for Plague Mass, though nothing but The Singer and the one with John Paul Jones on CD. I want to get Plague Mass, but there are a lot of other things I want in front of it, and I have a taped copy anyway.

I'm obviously interested in the religious aspects of the book. Did you ever read John Smulo's essay on Manson? From many of the quotes Smulo used from Manson, Manson seemed to harbor primarily positive feelings about his own religious background and upbringing (although he is quite misunderstood and attacked by religious fundamentalists today). Do you think his biography aligned with Smulo's portrayal?

I love this quote:"We're all hypocrites, but by admitting it, you transcend it and it no longer becomes a personality defect as it is in the people who blindly cling to their own self-righteousness." If those fundamentalists who attack him understood his point, they would simply have to agree with him (Ro.3:10, 1 Jn. 1:8-9). But I like it because it reminds me of Sirach 20:3: "And the one who admits his fault will be kept from failure."

I'm interested to hear your perspective.

I don't think I've read Smulo on Manson, or if I did browse it then at the time I knew so little about MM that it was too irrelevent, but I'd be interested in reading it! I'll go find it... but do you know a location where it's at online or have a copy?

His attendence at Christian school was fraut with confrontation with the authorities (according to Strauss), as Manson sold rock music, tapes, cds, sweets, etc, and was caught from time to time, but I do not recall him saying he hated the school itself, but he did pass comments on the mindlessness and the will of everyone to fit in rather than the will to be themselves (however Manson says this about all of society, so it's not just a Christian school criticism).

My feeble conclusion is that the book simply didn't say much about it! He says he was sent there not because his parents were religious, but because it just seemed like a good thing to do. "And", he says (paraphrased), "the local school was a complete dive". And adds, "So of course, I wanted to go there". Mostly the text is about his antics, combined with his general anti-herd comments.

I think Ro 3:10 & co have to be the basis of all approaches to Human nature, so is a similar style statement to Manson's. I'd say the Bible quotes were "more general", and that Manson's statement was a specific case of the common sense truth stated in those verses.

I think I need to read the Smulo essay in order to say anything substantial! I am probably going to read Rev. Gavin Baddeley's book on Manson, it's going to be really interested to compare all three sources! Baddeley and Smulo both attempt to write very objectively (not sure about Straus' biases).

Oh, the Straus book is from 1998, so Smulo (?) and Baddeley (year 2000) had a few more years (including the aftermath of Mansons 2nd and 3rd albums, and their present 4th one maybe) of information than Straus.

I haven't been able to track down a copy of Smulo's article, the link it was on previously is dead. I'll keep looking and e-mail it to you if I find it. :)

One of my absolute favorite books. :)

You should definitely give Dissecting Marilyn Manson by Gavin Baddeley a look, too, if you can. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm so young, and had been kinda sheltered, but that book opened my eyes in a lot of ways to a multitude of new things.

For what it's worth, in person he's surprisingly quiet and a nice guy. I don't pretend to really know him; I've only met him twice (Electric Ballroom and Slimelight). We only really spoke the once. But he was unfailingly polite, intelligent and friendly.

Yeah, that's a common remark from people who have met him. I don't really expect otherwise though.

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