From: vexen	Date: November 14th, 2002 04:25 am (UTC)		(Link)

Access to all forms of religion, spirituality and materialism is now much easier, it doesn't in itself explain why particular religions have experienced an increase in interest.

Human instinct is self-conflicting sometimes, yes, it would be hard to deny it.

	From: hiddenpaw	Date: November 14th, 2002 04:47 am (UTC)		(Link)

Human instinct is self-conflicting sometimes, yes, it would be hard to deny it.

Given this and LaVey's claim that satanisum "provides man with his much needed fantasy. There is nothing wrong with dogma, providing it is not based on ideas and actions which go completely against human nature" Dose satanisum address this? If so how?

	From: vexen	Date: November 14th, 2002 04:51 am (UTC)		(Link)

The four crown princes are Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan and Belial. This is definately a dogmatic statement. However, it doesn't go against Human Nature because it's pure fantasy and symbolic, they're devices used in ritual and drama.

It would against Human Nature to say "Satanists only have sex on Mondays, and Women are not allowed to touch men, food or the bed for a week after their period".

In areas where Human instinct contradicts itself (for example: We have partial instincts to over eat), Satanism advocates intelligence and self discipline as very important measures of what the correct course of action is.

("Satan respresents indulgence, not abstinence" ... is followed up, in The Satanic Bible, with text on "Indulgence, NOT Compulsion!".

Is that the type of thing you're wondering about?

	From: hiddenpaw	Date: November 14th, 2002 08:38 am (UTC)		(Link)

"The four crown princes are Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan and Belial. This is definately a dogmatic statement. However, it doesn't go against Human Nature because it's pure fantasy and symbolic, they're devices used in ritual and drama."

The problem there of course coming when what one or more of these charaters simbolises conflicts with one side of our personalitys. I must admit to not knowing the Personalitys you atribute to each of these names. Do they conflict with each other in some way? (I would see that as a good thing)

In areas where Human instinct contradicts itself (for example: We have partial instincts to over eat), Satanism advocates intelligence and self discipline as very important measures of what the correct course of action is. of course ceromony normaly tends to wards extreams. do you find that in satanisum?

I think The point at which I find the biggest conflict that religion normaly comes down on one side or the other of is instinct to working to wards the grater good of human socioty and the instinct to look after number one. Christianity normaly comes down on the selfless asistance of socioty side of things. One get's the feeling that satanisum is more dedicated purly to the self.

Of course to truly look after the self one must look after both.

	From: vexen	Date: November 14th, 2002 05:21 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Ah, the conflict between self and society! One of my tag lines is:

"How can you look after other people, if you can't look after yoursef?"

You are right, Satanism is completely self-centered however the conflict comes in when we find that we are social animals, and giving to society is actually a required part of mental health.

I discuss social altruism on part two of:
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/good.html

You are correct when you say that the attributes I give to the four crown princes sometimes conflict, but actually they are too vague and don't lend themselves easily for this type of analysis. Their primary use is symbolic, as such they are referenced as required, so most the time they are not in conflict.

The four crown princes:
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/satan.html

I think that Christianity too (I think all actions are, I don't believe in actual "altruism") is completely self centered, honestly, because any attempt to do good for society is done towards the aim of going to heaven, for the self.

	From: hiddenpaw	Date: November 14th, 2002 04:45 am (UTC)		(Link)

Can I add to this that Although christianity is seen as being part of the establishment this is only true in a few small cases, Christanity being pretty divers to the point of really being several different religions it has to be said that only some parts of christianity have any power as part of "The Establishment" at all and indeed some parts can be described as being Violently opposed to it.

	From: vexen	Date: November 19th, 2002 08:48 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: ?

Vexen is male.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rib.html

	From: vexen	Date: December 2nd, 2002 04:12 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Will be nothing but an elitist club for indulgent decadents...

From: katminnaar	Date: December 2nd, 2002 05:35 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Heh heh.... okaaaay! Thanks. :)

	From: vexen	Date: August 4th, 2011 04:01 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: The Biological Need for Dogma

Thanks.