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Need for dogma

The Need for Dogma and its role in Satanism

"It seems to me that the resurgence of interest in native mythologies, and the mysticism of the East, all reflect a widespread yearning for a religious framework based on deep inner experience. Shamanism can certainly help us here."

I think This may be wrong. I think the resurgence in interest may be because acess to these alternate religions is now much easier. Remeber that there have in times past been christian mystics, mostly outside the main stream of the church and indeed condemed by some parts of it. Also as you mention further down Christianity has in europe and america become asociated with "The establishment" and it is almost a matter of course to assume that anything that is part of "the establishment" is corrupt.

"Satanism, realizing the current needs of man, fills the large grey void between religion and psychiatry. The Satanic philosophy combines the fundamentals of psychology and good, honest emotionalising, or dogma. It provides man with his much needed fantasy. There is nothing wrong with dogma, providing it is not based on ideas and actions which go completely against human nature"

The basic premis of there being nothing wrong with dogma I can agree with, but what is not clear is weather or not LaVey or satanisum as a whole deals with the fact that Human nature confilcts with it's self in many places and it is this point where most religions go against one side or another of human nature.

Access to all forms of religion, spirituality and materialism is now much easier, it doesn't in itself explain why particular religions have experienced an increase in interest.

Human instinct is self-conflicting sometimes, yes, it would be hard to deny it.

Human instinct is self-conflicting sometimes, yes, it would be hard to deny it.

Given this and LaVey's claim that satanisum "provides man with his much needed fantasy. There is nothing wrong with dogma, providing it is not based on ideas and actions which go completely against human nature" Dose satanisum address this? If so how?

The four crown princes are Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan and Belial. This is definately a dogmatic statement. However, it doesn't go against Human Nature because it's pure fantasy and symbolic, they're devices used in ritual and drama.

It would against Human Nature to say "Satanists only have sex on Mondays, and Women are not allowed to touch men, food or the bed for a week after their period".

In areas where Human instinct contradicts itself (for example: We have partial instincts to over eat), Satanism advocates intelligence and self discipline as very important measures of what the correct course of action is.

("Satan respresents indulgence, not abstinence" ... is followed up, in The Satanic Bible, with text on "Indulgence, NOT Compulsion!".

Is that the type of thing you're wondering about?

"The four crown princes are Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan and Belial. This is definately a dogmatic statement. However, it doesn't go against Human Nature because it's pure fantasy and symbolic, they're devices used in ritual and drama."

The problem there of course coming when what one or more of these charaters simbolises conflicts with one side of our personalitys. I must admit to not knowing the Personalitys you atribute to each of these names. Do they conflict with each other in some way? (I would see that as a good thing)

In areas where Human instinct contradicts itself (for example: We have partial instincts to over eat), Satanism advocates intelligence and self discipline as very important measures of what the correct course of action is. of course ceromony normaly tends to wards extreams. do you find that in satanisum?

I think The point at which I find the biggest conflict that religion normaly comes down on one side or the other of is instinct to working to wards the grater good of human socioty and the instinct to look after number one. Christianity normaly comes down on the selfless asistance of socioty side of things. One get's the feeling that satanisum is more dedicated purly to the self.

Of course to truly look after the self one must look after both.

Ah, the conflict between self and society! One of my tag lines is:

"How can you look after other people, if you can't look after yoursef?"

You are right, Satanism is completely self-centered however the conflict comes in when we find that we are social animals, and giving to society is actually a required part of mental health.

I discuss social altruism on part two of:
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/good.html

You are correct when you say that the attributes I give to the four crown princes sometimes conflict, but actually they are too vague and don't lend themselves easily for this type of analysis. Their primary use is symbolic, as such they are referenced as required, so most the time they are not in conflict.

The four crown princes:
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/satan.html

I think that Christianity too (I think all actions are, I don't believe in actual "altruism") is completely self centered, honestly, because any attempt to do good for society is done towards the aim of going to heaven, for the self.

Can I add to this that Although christianity is seen as being part of the establishment this is only true in a few small cases, Christanity being pretty divers to the point of really being several different religions it has to be said that only some parts of christianity have any power as part of "The Establishment" at all and indeed some parts can be described as being Violently opposed to it.

hi im looking for statistics on the number of religious people. Are they on this site? and i thought Vexen was female? or was i told wrong?

As a force for the future, Satanism is an indestructible force on the battle field where the gods of the past have all been declared dead interests, and all religions false.

Okay, if all religions are false then what about the religion of Satanism? ;)


Will be nothing but an elitist club for indulgent decadents...

Heh heh.... okaaaay! Thanks. :)

If you are a man who has a desire to cling to the unstuctural form of your beliefs in the hope that you will find your calling or your place within society i think that it is only right to believe in something that you can feed off, and in the opening of doors from within your mind to find, a different level or plane and to elevate you from this simplicity that we call a life.

Love patience hope

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The Biological Need for Dogma

(Anonymous)

2011-07-27 02:26 am (UTC)

Very good accumulation of points in regards to the apparent need for dogma.
I especially found interesting the bit on the biology of religious conviction. I always wondered how a religious person, when asked why they believe the things they believe can say "I just know it's true", and why some people continue to believe despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Like schizophrenia, bipolar, or cystic fibrosis (etc), it's in the genes!

Good stuff and keep on expanding.

Ave Satanas!

Re: The Biological Need for Dogma

vexen

2011-08-04 04:01 pm (UTC)

Thanks.

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