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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards
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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 31st, 2005 11:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Isnt the main essence of Christianity about faith?! Hebrews states that "faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see." So yeh you can try and prove or disprove God using science or whatever but i dont think you'll ever fully be able to do either. God loves it so much when people come to know him - believe in him although they don't see him ... that's faith, and on the last day, those who have done this will be having the greatest party of their lives, with the person they love and adore the most, FOREVER!
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hmmm

If there is no God, no accountability, etc., than there is no advantage to morality or such "humanistic values." I'm assuming, because you wrote an essay about how it is wrong and illogical to do so, you would not enjoy any theist telling you what is right or wrong, so how can you, somebody who doesn't believe in any higher authority, take that position yourself by asserting that we should all submit to humanistic values such as love and compassion. What if somebody would much rather be a mass murderer than a loving individual? You cannot say murder is wrong. To say there are no absolute morals is to say there are no morals. Without admitting somebody (i.e. God) established morality, you cannot tell anybody else what is right or wrong without being a hypocrite. BUT, the fact that you KNOW there is right and wrong, and that you already know what's wrong and what's right (along with most of mankind)demonstrates that there is in fact morality. So obviously it had to be established. Think about it.
God Bless.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 28th, 2007 08:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

God's existence is not necessarily "threatening"

1) Vexen, you make the assumption that a belief in God is equal to a belief in a threat. Please explain why God's existence, in your view, is necessarily threatening. Could God's existence be encouraging? Loving? Could a person be as likely to be comforted by the existence of God as threatened by it? If the existence of God threatens you, does that mean it necessarily threatens others?

2) You make the clear point that there is no such thing as human objectivity. Why, then, have you wasted yours and our time by making arguments? Aren't your equally subjective views as likely to be erroneous as mine? If we are all so totally unable to comprehend objective truth, then perhaps we should stop this inane and worthless dialogue, since we're all potentially right...and potentially wrong.

3) Please don't leave my comment unanswered, or else it will just be another meaningless contribution to an already meaningless debate...at least according to the "subjectivity" rule.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: August 28th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: God's existence is not necessarily "threatening"

1) Dude. The issue is the evidence, not whether or not belief in God is threatening or comforting. There are many things that are comforting (the belief that I will win the lottery, for example), but it doesn't make them true. Likewise with threatening things; people may be scared of imaginary monsters or imaginary gods... but the fact that some people are scared of them, doesn't make them real.

2) No, all Human thoughts and beliefs can be subjected to scrutiny and perhaps shown to be false. We all have to look for evidence to back up or discredit our views. We might all be potentially right or potentially wrong, but, individual claims about reality can of course be checked. Then, at least, we'll be right-or-wrong together.

3) ok.
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