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Conclusion:
It seems that even the "good" of the Koran is based on Satan's power... Satan chose to let Muhammad live, when faced with the pagans whom Muhammad could not conquer without Satan's help. Or... if Satan did not inspire the verses, then Muhammad himself perverted God's law and therefore his recitation of the Koran is not pure or from God, at least in part, due to the materialistic (Satanic) Earth... the Earth that had power over even Muhammad. With verses missing, verses created by Muhammad according to his needs and not according to truth, and with an unknown quantity of verses inspired by Satan, the Koran is more of a mistake than divinely inspired. No wonder The Satanic Verses is such a painful reminder for Muslims of how their scripture is indebted to Satan! Tags: islam, koran, literalism, muhammad
Current Mood:  anxious
Listening To: "The Tongues of Fire" by Emperor
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: March 17th, 2003 05:42 am (UTC) |
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Incomplete impure Koran of untrustworthy Muhammed
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To Vexen
First things first, i'm only anonymous b/c i'm too busy to try and sign up. But I need to comment on the above matter before i carry on with my life.
I am a Muslim and I love my Allah and his beloved Muhammed.
But this wasn't always the case. I am a lawyer and have the ability to argue rationally and logically. I argued the principles of my fellow Muslims, making there beliefs appear ridiculous. I didn't believe in a Creator and only went to Mosque for the sake of doin so...
I don't mean any offence to your beliefs etc.
But allow me to analyse your evidence in respect of the article concerned objectively using my mind and intellect. [ rather than my hearts convictions ]
1. Your sources and authority on The Qur'aan are not qualified therein. In any court of law, those persons cannot testify as experts witnesses b/c they cannot interpret the texts. Even though I as a lawyer or solicitor can interpret any countries constitution, I cannot interpret any religious book b/c I must learn the skill that would enable me to consider the relevant factors and thus formulate an opinion in that regard.
2. Lets look at the rules of the game of religion. From the divine religions there will be many sects, which would be due to arrogance of man, inspired by the Satan [ bear with me ]. This is clear from the faith of Christianity for example. Further, acc to the story Islam would have 73 sects. Muslims would never be united till just before the last days of this world... why b/c then the game would end. Now from which of the sects do you portray Islam. Getting difficult hey!!!
3. So one may ask, How do these idiots have a clue what they are doing or worshipping... Simple! Very Simple.
4. Allah either reveals himself to man [ and Jinn ] or the magnificance of the creator is left hidden. And how? The individual have any possible belief that there is a creator and to search for the light.
5. Further your notes on the Jinn are misleading, b/c there are good jinn and bad ones like man.
6. Man and jinn were created for the recognition of the creator Allah [ Man = 51% good potential and 49% bad and jinn vice versa
7. Sexualilty is encouraged in Islam within the confines of marriage etc etc.
8. what is promised to the Muslim in the hereafter makes these sacrifices of this world seem petty and thus the Muslim is prepared to give up all of it b/c the blankets of this world are removed from over his eyes.
9. Ackowledgement of stupidity of man an wisdom of the creator is the point where man becomes wise.
10.Satan was close to God and knew more about the creator than the other angels, but his as well as man's arrogance led to his failure.
11. Be frank with me here on this point, it takes more than the average man to understand you reasoning fully or any other argument on the purpose of life, so what is the condition of the man who isn't bright enough or the millions of them, do the stupid get left behind, is this just -
12. There are thousands theories to life but I stick with the most practical one and that is the one that teaches me :
how to eat, sleep, clean, conduct business, have sex, attain contentment and happiness,etc etc
but most of all : answers every question that a self rightious, arroagant man can ask and it makes perfect sense - but only when you sincerely want to be shown.
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From: vexen |
Date: March 17th, 2003 06:17 am (UTC) |
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Re: Incomplete impure Koran of untrustworthy Muhammed
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For a laywer you write very unclearly and poorly, it is hard to follow what you're talking about on most your points. I will address the ones that made sense:
1. Just because someone is not a qualified expert in something doesn't mean that their logic is not true. You need to address the /arguments/ of the page.
2. All sects of Islam use the same basic combinations of texts, this doesn't seem relevent at all, but even seems to highlight the truth that no sect has entirely correct or complete text.
3. What idiots?
4. Meaningless.
5. OK, point taken, I should correct that.
6. Irrelevent.
7. Irrelevent, religious superstition.
8. Irrelevent, religious superstition.
9. Irrelevent.
10. Religious superstition, same basic belief as other Abrahamic religions.
11. Meaningless.
12. Irrelevent. However, I personally stick to the ones that are most logical, most true. I actively search for truth, I do not sit around "waiting to be shown" like a mindless sheep, believing whatever I've been told or shown.
I think point 1 was the only really important point you made, however, if you think the sources are poor then it should be easy for you to show me/us/the world that the Muslim scriptures are not inherently broken, and written by mankind, the same as the Chrsitian scriptures are, and therefore refute some of the arguments given on the page.
Don't worry about being anon., I don't expect all responders to sign up to use Live Journal.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 20th, 2003 01:20 pm (UTC) |
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How dare u...
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Mr. Crabtree, I would like to know where u got the info about the 3 pagan idols & Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) even considering them as valid intercessors. What u write is complete rubbish. How dare u write about someone who u have no proper info about. Every single muslim knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Prophet would rather die than even think of the idols as intercessors, let alone say it to the polythiests. Allah will surely put u in the worst of hell unless u repent. And dont try to interpret the Quran, u dont even believe in God.
The entire Quran was correctly compiled. Not even 1 letter is misplaced. Thats the beauty of it. Allah has said in the Quran that he will protect it whereas the Bible & other books will become corrupt & this has been proved due to the innumerable amount of mistakes in the bible.
Since u satanists believe in Science, why dont u look at some of the scientific miracles mentioned in the Quran 1400 yrs ago which have come true just now? The Quran tells us how the Universe Originated, about human embryo, about Mountains, rain, etc... Go to http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/1089/id55.htm for more details. Did u know that there is a sea that has both sweet & salty water separated by an invisible barrier as said in the Quran. This has also been proved.
Do u think life is mere play? That we will not be held 2 account for our good & bad deeds? What is the purpose of life? Do u really beieve in the theory of evolution? That all that exists has merely "evolved" rather than Created? Allah says he has even put the tips of our fingers perfectly in the Quran. We're now using fingerprints 2 catch crooks!
How beautiful is the universe! So many billions of stars! Have they just evolved from the big bang? Well, how was everything before the big bang? Only Allah knows! And in Him we place our Faith.
You urself have stated somewhere in ur site that the best person 2 ask abt a religion is the follower of that religion. Eg, ask a chistian about christianity or even a satanist about satanism. Well, are you an idiot to expect people to believe a satanist on his opinion of Islam? All ur info on Islam is Wrong. Get ur sources checked. No one hates anyone more than a liar. If u want 2 research Islam, go 2 some proper Islamic sites, not satanic ones. Since satanists are so open minded, check out some real Islamic sites. Just type "Islam" in any search engine & bingo! U have loads of real Islamic sites.
I dare u to reply to this Mr. Crabtree.
-T
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 5th, 2004 06:35 pm (UTC) |
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'impure/untrustworthy koran'-comment response
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Mr Crabtrees article has too much of a bitter taste to it. Even though the core idea of it is true. Even Muslims, Islamic historians & scholars agree that much of what material became the Koran & Hadith were omitted & edited by Mohammeds successors & Muslims of authority. Some soften the blow of this 'revelation' by believing these editors were in positions of trust to do so. Others accept imperfection as a result of oral tradition, translation, recorded intervention, etc. & do not believe it to impaire living ones life as a good Muslim. Others use it as a beating stick. But what confounds a lot of people about Muslims when posed with even REASONABLE questioning about doubts & disagreements with their Faith & history?
In the simplest forums "F*ck Y*u, S**t***d!" is a freqent response to the raised question, "You poor little lost lamb, I will pray for" sometimes gets in there. As an example in the extreme, there IS persecution in Islamic countries of Muslims who DO believe that the Koran & the Hadith are both incomplete through edit & omission proving (and I MEAN proving) an Islams/Muslims-own belief of 'imperfection' due to historic editing & omission by even the well-meaning stewards of the faith.
But enter the mainstream erm,thinker, believes the words (confused with the Faith, & never mind the conduct as interpreted by either) as being perfect, before, now & forever...where even reasonable facts & theories produced by gentlest critics, the most casual observers, are judged to be poisoned-tongued, their very ideas beating sticks against the real believer.:"They aren't the same as us,& don't or can't understand.They can't be honest, can't comprehend. Their faculty for honest reasoning is at fault. And If they ARE one of us-far worse the crime, you are kicked out of the fold ,you're the 'untrue' sort." Surely one of your OWN can criticise without the 'outsider' brand?
(Notice the lack of the word muslim in the last paragraph, for the blanks can be filled in for folk from each religion.)
Were being told Islam is the fastest growing religion(Oddly others say it's catholisism, and to the horror of some -WICCAN PAGANISM!) "God forbid!", for want of a better phrase, as it seems notoriously bad as a god sent religion/way of life for coming to terms with is warts-&-all, its faults, its flaws, it imperfections, and its wrongdoings when presented with them. In all religion/politics/society there is condemnation of kith & kin for the call for reflection of self & religion/politics/history. Deaf ears and Blind eyes are turned. As for Muslims, you're starting to have your turn too, even at the propmting of your own people...They are asking for & are finding the facing of ONES OWN demons called for somewhere in the Koran & getting attacked simply for saying that there are too many deaf ears, blind eyes,-& hooked hands- attending Mosques.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 22nd, 2004 05:36 am (UTC) |
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The Mandaeans had something to say about Mohammed. His behavior seems to contradict claims that Mohammed was a peaceful man.
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I will tell you, (O ye ) priests who live in the Arab age, (of that which occurred) before the Son-of-Slaughter , the Arab, went out and prophesied as a prophet in the world so that they performed circumcision like Jews and changed sayings - for he is the most degraded of false prophets. Mars(God of War) accompanieth him because he is the Seal of prophets of the Lie, (although) the Messiah will appear after him at the end of the age! I will inform you, Nasoraeans, that before the Son-of-Slaughter, the Arab, emerged and was called prophet in the world and Mars descended with him, he drew the sword and converted people to himself by the sword.
The Haran Gawaitha of the Mandaeans continues: "Thus, before the appearance of the Son-of-Slaughter, the Arab, the Christian, Idumaean, Jewish, Hurdabaean and Dilbilaean peoples became many."
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: February 5th, 2005 01:08 am (UTC) |
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Muhammed was a valid prophet and a final one
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Peace be on you all
If anyone believes in the Bible or not the story is that its not compleate, jesus made that clear and the Qur'an (bible) was to be compleated for mankind, to guide them.
Believeing in God, the God of mother nature, the laws of the universe and the law and connecting with God means you practice what was revieled unto mankind from angels to men, so men can be guided, this are known as commandements, which in reality guide people to a good conscience, simply not killing, steeling, etc. and most of all worshiping false Gods, Gods ceration or peoples own.
Muhammed's Goal (PBUH) was simply to destroy the idols in mecca and return it back to the way of Abraham who was neither Jew or Christain, the history of this Jihid (struggle) was written for a record for all mankind to realize what evil some polythiests become, like outgrown children willing to kill for objects they worship ranging from one they attached supersticiions too or have valued in trade (money, gold etc).
Now if anyone understood the above, and looked back into the bible with Noa, Abraham, Moses, Jesus , they will find no deference in the way God dealt with Muhammed's enemies.
The Bible is finished in Arabic becuase jesus was rejected! Jesus (PBUH) who was a christ (annointed one aka massiah) was to lead the children of israel, the very same people who where the children of Abraham and delivered from slavery in egypt to te promise land., but they decided that there books where greater then god's word, infact they called others who where not jews (judah) vermon in there babylonian talmud, and later in there other talmuds called jesus a liar and his mother a whore., it goes on that shows a clear practice of SATANIISM there., jesus had refered to them as the children of SATAN!.
One thing to remember is that the only religion mentioned in the bible (old testament/torah and gospal) is islam submission, there is nothing jewish or christain in the bible at all, nothing!
The way to pray is by bowing your face on the floor and that is the only way to worship one god, and to deny one god is satanism and racist, means you dont accept other human biengs as yourself.
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From: vexen |
Date: June 10th, 2005 12:52 pm (UTC) |
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Re: Redundant and hypocritical.
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Unfortunately for your theory, I've never been a Christian, none of my relatives were Christians, and I've never been to Christian school or anything like that. I never "turned" to Satanism from any other religion, but accepted that Satanism best describes my beliefs after I studied various religions out of curiosity.
I value truth, and will debate and fight for it. As such, I 'dismantle' all religions, Islam, Christianity, etc... the more that religious people debate with me, the more webpages I produce on a subject.
You say my psychology is "evident in my work", but in reality it's only your mental confusion and assumptions that are evident in *your* reasoning. Rather than accept the text I've wrote, you've resorted to trying to "figure out" the messanger. Pop-psychology assumptions have been your weapon, and they've backfired on you.
Allah doesn't exist, neither does Satan, the Christian God, or any other god. We're all alone; life is love, and apart from that there is only death and the void of a cold, black universe.
The Koran was inspired by human delusion and passion; it was the misguided creation of the circle of devotees to Muhammad, despite his command never to write down his words.
One last point... ALL thought is only as good as it's sources. Think of that, when you think of WHO wrote down the Koran, and WHY!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: March 14th, 2006 03:12 pm (UTC) |
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From my perspective, you make a good logical argument that the Koran cannot be trusted. My perspective is that of a devout Christian. I came to the same conclusion as you, but by a different means. That is, the Koran denies the fundamental truth of Christianity, that is that Jesus, the Son of God, was crucified, suffered and died as a final perfect sacrifice for our sins. He rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, showing us that Satan and death have no power over those that accept him as their Lord and Savior. He is awaiting the time, known only by God, to return and sit in judgement of the entire world. Satan used and is using Islam to turn people away from Jesus, who said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the father but by me." 98 percent or more of the Koran looks like its from God, but that last small percentage is enough deception and lie to accomplish Satan's purpose.
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From: vexen |
Date: March 14th, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC) |
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> 98 percent or more of the Koran
> looks like its from God, but that
> last small percentage is enough
> deception and lie to accomplish
> Satan's purpose.
Isn't the Bible in exactly the same boat? Even if 98% of a text was from God, people would still use it for both good and evil.
The books of the Bible were chosen, out of hundreds of texts and books, by Human beings, and as long as Human beings are imperfect, compilations like the Quran and The Bible will only ever be "a percent" of perfection.
Your logic applies to both the Bible and the Quran, and it seems irrational to me, as an outsider to you, that you pick one rather than the other.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 20th, 2006 05:40 am (UTC) |
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Hope
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My heart just broke when I read this article and the comments bellow.
I ‘m a 20 years old girl, Livin in Saudi Arabia (not a member of the Royal family),Muslim too.
I memorize all the Quran, and I know every single word and what it means, in other hand I’m tryin to have a bachelor degree in Graphic Design and a diploma in Networking technology.
I’m telling you this because people think that women are not allowed in Islam to be educated. Islam motivates me to be the best, learn more, and follow my dream.
by the way..dad never beats me. In Islam Women are honored, Mothers, sisters and daughters .although there're some cases, but some men are just basterds right?? Whether they were Muslims, Christians, or even atheists.
GOD says in Quran:
And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)
For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)
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Abu Hurairah reported that a man came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is the person who has the greatest right on me with regards to kindness and attention?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your father."
To know more about woman in Islam check this page:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/
To know the human rights in Islam check this page:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/humanrights/
the one who said quran is all about God that's because it's the word of god to us,and i dont think that you really understand the words you may read..God says:
"It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask; and for the freeing of captives; to be steadfast in prayers, and practice regular charity; to fulfill the contracts which you made; and to be firm and patient in pain (or suffering) and adversity and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-conscious." (2:177)
please, we all have to treat each other with respect .regardless of our differences we do not have to attack each other. If I am a true Muslim, I have to be kind.
Prophet Muhammad was very kind and loving .he even was kind toward his Jewish neighbor.
It is our responsibility (I mean Muslims) to explain to the world the real meaning of Islam, to justify this message that our Prophet (pbuh) fought ( and I don’t mean by sword) for until his last breath. God want us to live in peace and harmony, to look beyond our differences and find a common ground to use in our discussions. We all have to respect what other believes in, regardless of our differences, to learn about each other cultures and lifestyles, to understand the whole picture before throwing a quick and final judgment.
Though you didn’t respect my faith I wont be the same..
May God show us the right way..wish you the very best.
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From: vexen |
Date: June 17th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC) |
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Re: Nothing new
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1. Of course it is nothing new, all traditional religions came to own a lot of land through violence and warfare.
2. Violent Muslims and Violent Christians are both immoral; they you guys have been fighting each other for so long is the biggest clue that all religion is unholy.
3. Things have changed: The crusaders, along with crusades, are all part of history.
What is *not* part of history is Islam's new dark age: Islam is going through it's own dark ages at the moment; fundamentalist, intolerance, violent, expansionist and domineering. Christianity went through the same phase.
Eventually, Islam will modernize, or, it will die as a result of its own violence.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: July 5th, 2006 12:40 am (UTC) |
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lol.......ha ha ha, ur funny man... if ur so persistent in following these "quotes", listen to this 1 'He who Allah guides, no one can misguide him, he who Allah misguides, no one can guide him,' (i have quoted this from memory).
Oh yeh and as Reverend Lovejoy of the Simpsons once said, "Ill see you in Hell,,,, from Heaven"
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