From: mattlazycat	Date: December 7th, 2002 05:01 am (UTC)		(Link)

Interesting and informative. I would say that the conclusion does seem to ignore the first half of the essay, so that it seems more simply a condemnation of Islamic attitudes toward homosexuality. You go into some depth to describe why you think the Muslims are wrong to condem homosexuality, but you seem to assume that we already know why Christians think it's bad. I'd make the link to your Christianity & Sexuality essay more prominent, or even quote from it, just to balance out the essay a little.

I seem to remember Judaism being pretty relaxed about homosexuality; what about other religions? I assume Buddhism is against it because it's pleasure to the self and I seem to remember learning that becoming enlightened requires that we abandon the self. Could be wrong. There's plenty of other religions to check out though; I think my main issue with the major religions as a whole is that they're seen as systems of limits rather than guides and encouragements. If you limit yourself to a static set of beliefs based on ancient scripture, you can never grow and evolve as a person, or as a society. Of course, as I understand it, re-interpretation and deviation from scripture are against Sharia law. Doesn't leave much room for debate, really, does it? :)

	From: vexen	Date: December 7th, 2002 05:23 am (UTC)		(Link)

Thanks for the comments. I think of Judaism too, but I haven't read Judaism for ages and don't feel qualified to say anything, people have before commented that recently in discussing the Abrahamic religions I seem to simply miss out Judaism... I'll refresh all my pages with extra bits once I "do" Judaism again.

A lot of Buddhist and Hindu beliefs are refreshingly pro-sexuality. Buddhism isn't always ascetic, some Buddhist groups are downright indulgent ("To get rid of desire you have to satisfy it..."), I thitnk asceticism and monasticism are cultural rather than religious in this sense.

The essay isn't a full analysis of homosexuality, as you noticed there is a lot I could add, I was concentrating on what the practical side of things were, not on the reasons behind them being as they are.

I think I should add a quote from that essay too.

	From: vexen	Date: December 7th, 2002 11:41 am (UTC)		(Link)

Ya I updated it, added some quotes and text.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 30th, 2003 06:12 pm (UTC)		(Link)
source

what source do u have telling you that animals are homosexual?? email me and tell me srfaruqui@hotmail.com

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 19th, 2006 01:57 am (UTC)		(Link)
Re: source

most detailed books on animal behaviour will include it somewhere
as it is a natural thing
cows are one species that certainly exhibits such behaviour
that is if you think it sensible to apply human concepts to animals
animals are rapists and murderers too

ps if islam dislikes homosexuality so much
why does it encourage it

in all natiaons the ratio of males to females is approximately 1:1
( less in Arab countries where it is around 97 females to 100 males
so by rights there are 100 married couples available
but in Islam multiple wives are permitted where the husband can afford to keep them
this means that the rich get a greater share of the available women
therefore it follows that the other end of the scale will miss out the chance for a wife
even if it is only the first 2 in one hundred men
where will they obtain their sexual outlet
other males
now if Islam pemitted multiple husbands on the same basis as multiple wives then this encouragement of homosexuality in the Koran would be offset

	From: vexen	Date: April 25th, 2003 06:27 am (UTC)		(Link)

http://www.livejournal.com/users/vexen/159421.html?mode=reply

Added text about UN anti-discrimination wishes being challenged and threatened by a group of Islamic countries.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 9th, 2003 08:39 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Religion and Homosexuality.

“Islam, however, is inconsistent and illogical. It simultaneously states that all homosexuality is a moral evil, a corruption... yet it also holds that the animals of the world have submitted themselves completely to Allah. Yet, in nearly all animal species we witness homosexual behavior. This must mean that it is permissible by Allah to be gay, and that animals who have submitted completely to Allah can therefore also be gay. Islamic tradition is wrong to condemn homosexuality as an evil, and in denying that homosexuality is natural they are ignoring the facts of the world, it is an ignorant religious belief equal to that of the Christians during the Dark Ages: Where truth is suppressed because it threatens tradition and the corrupt powers of organized religious leaders.
If those who submit to Allah are sincere, they must recognize Allah's will: And such a will creates homosexuality, including homosexual people and homosexual animals, and it is not therefore the Muslims' prerogative to question this or condemn it.”
RESPONSE.
Dear friends:

A very interesting conclusion based on a very fantastic logic.
One would think that humans have the ability to stop, think, analyze and make decisions as they see them fit.
One should not equate humans to our four (usually) legged friends the animals (even though that most recent records, I e, WARS, CRIME, makes me wonder about the intelligence of the two legged ones.)

No one is born gay or lesbian it is a myth created by seculars of the recent Dark Ages, and Genetics have nothing to do with it otherwise all of the children of a gay man would be gays and, all of a straight man’s offspring would be straight and that is just not true.

God created humans who are willingly choose to be gays, lesbians, neutral, or straight.
No one has to be a Christian, Jew, or Muslim .If one does not want to follow the rules of those religions then one should stay away from them altogether, you just can not pick and choose whatever you like, it is the whole package, it is not a Movie script that you can alter every few years, the whole package, take or leave it, after all, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam might just be inventions of our cavemen ancestors.
I chose to bet on God.
The reason for my response is that if you do not follow a religion then you are not obligated to adhere to its rules as long as you do not claim to be a follower then, the rules of those religions should not and would not apply to you. In that case I fail to see the problem completely.
PLEASE NOTICE THAT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PRACTICE OF RELIGION IN FANATIC COUNTRIES SUCH AS PAKISTAN, SAUDIA ARABIA, MALAYSIA (shall I mention more countries?). I am a Muslim Arabic person who yet to see or heard of a single Arabic or Muslim country that even come to resemble an Islamic state. Only Hitler like rulers as the majority now, or some coward pathetic illiterate fanatics who shoot women in soccer fields and fly air planes into buildings.
Point is not to confuse the so-called religious people with religion, do not confuse God with humans.

God knows best.



El mohamed
California

	From: vexen	Date: August 10th, 2003 04:19 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Religion and Homosexuality.

Genetics:

1) Most people do not choose their sexuality. I know many gay, lesbian, transgendered, etc, people who very very much wish they were heterosexual, because of the pain & bias that they face because immoral abrahamic (Islam, Christianity & Judaism) religions preach hatred & intolerance.

2) Your comments about genetics are wrong. Not all blue eyed people have blue eyed children, not all brown-eyed people have brown-eyed children, etc. Same with hair, and all other factors. In genetics there are complex & mathematical/statistical laws that precisely govern how dominant & recessive alleles mix during conception to produce children with various combinations of their parents genes, it's not as simple as you think it is.

3) The reason I don't follow the 3 religions you mention is because I don't believe they're true. It's not because I don't want to follow their antiquated rules.