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Vexen Crabtree: Why I am a Satanist...

"Vexen: Why I am a Satanist" by Vexen Crabtree (2001)

HEY I'M NOT JUDGING U OR ANYTHING BUT DON'T BE A SATANIST IT'S THE WRONG CHOICE U WILL END UP SOMEWHERE U WON'T WANT TO BE. FOLLOW GOD. EMAIL ME AT SPARKLYGURL12@YAHOO.COM

Satanism

(Anonymous)
I'm right with you there girl, but one thing. There are two sorts of Satanist:

1) There are those who would murder and kill and rape in satanic rituals just for the sake of being evil-(Some might even stoop as low as into vamprism).

2) There are those that have been influenced by satanism in different ways such as: their parent/s may be satanic in going to the Church of Satan and have taken their child to their Church and he/she has been influenced by the (quite foul, might I add) teachings of the Church.

And don't worry, I am not a Satanist myself but I am 100% Christian. I thank you for spreading the word to follow the LORD God. :)




How can you be sure that there's no higher power?

(Anonymous)
Hiya, I'm very impressed with your site.. excellent work!

I'm agnostic, and not knowing anything about Satanism stumbled across your site whereupon i found some answers. I must say I agree with the viewpoint of Satanism in that I denounce all religions that would put absolute credence in any higher power. I don't believe in the human soul, I think that our thoughts are merely the product of electro-chemical activity in the brain. And therefore I very much doubt the human transition to any form of afterlife. And so, like Satanism advocates, I believe that each individual's lifetime should be cherished and lived to the fullest..

But... I'm agnostic because how can I ever be -sure- there isn't a higher power, even though it's wrong to have absolute faith that there is? I don't think that we can know, therefore it's wrong to say that there is no such thing.. how can you know?

Am very interested in your thoughts on this..

Re: How can you be sure that there's no higher power?

Hi there, thanks for the response. First of all, I think you're sensible :-)

Secondly... I think, and no doubt you will empathize with this, that even if there is a higher power it seems that the world has no consistent or actual way of knowing what it "wants" from us. We are incapable of deriving any particular morals or rules from it, and we do not know *how* we should act, or if it wants us to do anything at all.

Even if it *does* exist, it is *as if* it doesn't. This argument, on it's own, merely results in agnosticism. But when I combine it with some further thoughts -- about consciousness and biology - it appears to me that there cannot be an actual conscious, living higher power. This is because... life as we know it is based on biology. Consciousness is based, and derived, from biology. Altering and messing with our biology and chemistry can have a real affect on our consciousness -- the two are inseperable. Therefore there is no higher power, because there is no way for such a thing to be conscious.

There are 2 main objections: 1. The entire Universe or Earth might be a conscious being in it's own right (Gaia hypothesis). 2. A higher power may be conscious in a way we do not yet understand.

The first objection was powerful enough (in my mind) for me to actually join the Scientific Pantheism movement for a few years, however I talked myself out of it for the following reason: Even if the Universe was alive, it would not be a "higher power" to us. As we are a result of physics, part of it's body, we are not under any moral or ethical compunction to act as it wants, and it has no method or body with which to interact with anything at all. Such a thing would only be a "power" or important in the most abstract way, and, therefore, not an actual "higher power" to us. "Logic" itself, or "Physics" is a more pertinent "higher power".

The second objection is useless. It is an appeal to the unknown. The unknown could be used to prove any fact and any argument. If we come to any conclusion, we could then say "Ah, but there might be something we don't know yet, that would change our minds". Although seemingly a sound argument, it is certainly not one that can be used to form evidence or a logical reason either for or against any fact. Because it is equally likely that "things we don't know" about consciousness are equally likely to disprove that a higher power exists than it is to prove it, the fact that there are always things we don't know doesn't impact the argument for a higher power one way or another.

OK, there are some of my thoughts! Thanks for the intelligent questions :-)

YOUR ESSAY

(Anonymous)
I'm praying for you that Jesus Christ will show you how utterly stupid and lost you really are.

Re: YOUR ESSAY

(Anonymous)
Dear random person, it is you that is lost. Your god has wiped out the population of earth on more than one occasion, once just because he got pissed off. Also it is harassment to press your own beliefs on someone by saying that you will pray for them.

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question...

(Anonymous)
I just have some inquiries...I have to make it known, first of all, that I am a Christian. Secondly, I read your testimony and some facts about being a satanist, and I was just wondering why you think every Christian is closed-minded and unjustly controlled. Just as I do, you follow a ritual, and read from "the book" just like any Christian. You probably attend meetings, much of like the Christian church, filled with certain rituals. So, why does that make us so different from you? I'm not trying to be mean or...lol.."evil", but I don't understand. Why would anyone want to become a part of something that is based on "evil?" Also, it almost seems as though being a satanist contrdicts oneself. You say that it represents rebellion and evil, but then you say that it represents good as well. Now, I know that everyone has an opinion, and I respect that. Truly, I do, but I just wish people in this world would focus on being good to other people and living by the teachings Christ left for us. These teachings aren't bad. They are a good way for us to see that being good to people is what it is all about. So, my question is, Why not read more on the Christian Bible and see what it is all about before deciding to let Satan rule your life. In the end, you may regret it. I hope you'll take my advice. God bless and thanks for reading.

(All pages I link to in this reply are written by me)

1. I don't think all Christians are closed-minded, I know from experience (and through plain old logic...) that many Christians are not closed-minded, and of course, some Satanists are.

2. We don't read from "the book".
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/legalism.html

3. Satanism is based on reality, not "based on evil". If, in reality, all life eventually dies, then this is what Satan represents.
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/evil.html
(especially "Good relies on evil" and "The dark force in nature")

4. It is not a contradiciton, there is no real "good" and "evil", they're whatever we happen to call them, they're arbitrary, cultural and homocentric ideas. Satan *does* represent both good and evil, as Satan represents reality.
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/bookofsatan1.1-4.html covers this a bit.

On Jesus & Christianity:
Jesus did not teach a single moral that was not taught before, no-one needs to follow Jesus in order to know how to be nice, or to want to be nice, to other people. I am a nice person, kind, compassionate and empathic. But I still don't believe in Jesus, and even doubt that he even existed.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html

I don't believe the Bible is anything other than a Human book written by humans.

I also doubt many of the morals found in the Bible:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/cm.html

I don't believe God can logically exist, and present many reasons why not:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rm.html

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your answers

(Anonymous)
I see what you are trying to say, but I have to add to it. The Bible IS, in fact, a man-written book. It is supposed to be that way, written by Jesus' apostles and through those whom God spoke to. So, when you say it is made up by humans, you must also realize that the satanic bible was also written by man. Also, when you say that there is a possibility that God or Jesus do not exist, why do you even believe that satan exists? Without God, there cannot be satan. If you wish to discuss further, my e-mail is Laurenblair20@hotmail.com :-)Thank you for reading.

Re: your answers

(Anonymous)
Hi,

No I don't think you do see what Vexen's trying to say, if you'd read the material he'd suggested you'd realise that the Satanism notion of Satan is that it doesn't exist in any form other than notional. There is no such entity. It's an iconic symbol for the anti-religion, NOT the 'evil' counterpart to God.

I'm not a Satanist myself but I think if you open your eyes and look past the negative connotations of the name (and you will once you read more), you'll see that there's a lot of merit in its philosophies.

I find it ludicrous that people who worship a God can accuse Satanists of being misguided but then I guess that's the nature of any opposing spiritual belief: "I know I'm right, I can't be wrong because I've devoted so much of my existence to believing this.". Sad, really.

To reiterate Vexen's point, what does believing in God or even Jesus have anything to do with being a good person? No, really.. think long and hard on this one before you answer please..

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too much

(Anonymous)
you have a good point about the hokeness of some religions, but Satan is the antithesis of god. Now some people ahave a hard time coming to terms with I don't know what, but when you are with satan, you are not with anybody's definition of god. You are working for the wrong team. Maybe you need the direction of someone else in life, but maybe when you are doing good, you will feel it. Good luck sorting things out for yourself.

Vernace is here once more.

(Anonymous)
I can truthly understand how you feel when you are in a church. I did had the same experience with you, that phrase is indeed powerful. " Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit" I love this phrase. Hit directly on those hypocritical Xtain. By the way, i have a Xtain good friend, he did told me that when he spread Christ to others. He dont really love that person and wants him to go heaven with him. Instead, he just feels that if he doesn't do that , he will go to hell. Even a Xtian say that himself... what a shame.....

Re: Vernace is here once more.

(Anonymous)
you sound like a guy i know. do you live in north carolina

Can a satanist be a surrealist too?

(Anonymous)
just wanna ask whether a Satanist can be a surrealist too? hey man... i am a Satanist too, wondering can i be a surrealist as well.

Re: Can a satanist be a surrealist too?

Certainly!

just wondering

(Anonymous)
Nice to hear from someone who seems largely down to Earth. Always refreshing to find another religious view-point.

Recently I've been looking around at various religious beliefs and philosophies, and at this point I was just wondering if you distance yourself from the satanists that have sharp canines and sacrifice their humourus friend(I believe they stabbed him many a time) as they felt he would make a fine jester for the court of Satan. Can't remember if they were doped up, or insane, mabye neither.

This is not an urban myth incidently, I think it happened some time last year. I could chase it up if you don't know what I'm reffering to. Very disturbing images from the court appearance.

Also, in making the most out of life, is that to the neglection of empathy, or is that the sort of carpe diem philosophy of being pro-active and enegetic, and generally being unafraid of life.

btw, if any of those happy Christian, religious folks would like to help in Jesus rescuing me, please bombard me with sites and email addresses. Always a good read. Still waiting for an apologetic to get back to me, its been afew months...

Nice site Vexen

Re: just wondering

(Anonymous)
Well, I may not be the stereotypical "happy Christian religious" type person you were referring to in your email, but I am a follower of Christ. I find major differences between those who merely call themselves Christians and those are devoted followers of Christ. I am only 20 years old and in no way assume or pretend to have the answers to all the questions, or the ability to save the world or "Jesus rescue" you, as you so interestingly put it. I do attempt to have an open mind when it comes to hearing others out concerning their spiritual beliefs. This does not mean, however, I am willing to compromise my beliefs, but rather am not in it to judge you. That is not my place. I feel this way about it, in short: You, as well as every other human being on this earth, whether Christian, Satanist, Muslim, Mormon, Atheist, or what not, was created by the One True God and my personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died to cover our sins with his own blood. (And yes, I did say OUR sins...I sin just as much as everyone and would never pretend otherwise.) So, seeing that we were all created by Him, His desire is for us to come to know and love him from our own free will. It is, therefore, my belief that as a follower of Christ, it is my responsibility to share His love and free gift of forgiveness with anyone I come into contact with. Granted, I don't always share my beliefs through an "evangelistic" type conversation, but sometimes merely through my actions. I say all this only in an effort to plant a seed in your heart, wanting only for you to have the chance to hear the truth about my God, not the twisted views and ideas spread about Him by those simply going through meaningless acts of worship in an attempt to show off or gain favor. I know I have no idea who you are, but in my heart, you represent all those who my Savior died for long ago. You are a beloved child of God, whether you realize it or not. He loves you, desires a relationship with you and wants nothing more than for you to live for Him and with Him forever. True happiness can be found; no, that does not mean there will be no pain or tears in this life. But, it does mean you can find a peace for this life and eternity. God loves you so much and I will be praying for you. You are important to Him!
With His Love,
Christina

I read your essay and enjoyed it. I hope you're not offended that I don't share your views or don't share them the way you do. See, and I hesitate to use the term, I am a Christian. I say I hesitate to use the term because, I am not like most Christians. The thing is, I have almost no fear whatsoever. As a being, I find that all the emotions that we feel as humans are relevant, including fear. Therefore, to deny fear in order to "liberate myself" is to deny part of the essence that makes me who I am. So what do I fear? More like who. I fear God.
I hope you don't mind if I talk for a while. I'd like to talk about myself a little and explain my fear. I am a very aggressive person. I don't go around picking fights, but I am very aggressive in my thoughts, in life, in the things that I do, etc. I am a very strong person. I love to take responsiblity for me and who I am. I believe strongly in crime and punishment and the death penalty etc. I lift weights and do a hundred and fifty push ups every morning. I usually don't apologize for my actions because they are calculated and exacted with precision. For me, my belief in God helped me to get this way. I want to be like him. I seek to cultivate his divinity in me. Most people think he's a goody two shoes pussy cat. The One who split heaven and earth and coughed out the sun, flooded the earth, plagued the Egyptians and then opened the sea and buried them alive in it, and then lead the Israelites into the wilderness, sustained them there and when they pissed him off, killed off an entire generation etc. and the list goes on. I think he's kick ass! Another thing about him is that he demands complete and utter obedience. Pure and simple. He laid down the commandments and if you read them carefully, they have little or nothing to do with his benefit. The first four demand acknowledgement, that I acknowledge him exclusively. No big deal. I don't have a problem with that, really. But the fifth demands that I observe a day of rest for every seven days. My benefit. Then honor my parents. Well, if I were a parent and my child dishonored me, cursed me out or something, there would be hell to pay. So that one is what goes around comes around. And the rest of the commandments, I really don't need God to tell me. They're common sense.
Oh well. I feel guilty for taking too much of your time. Just that I think people on both sides of the fence got the whole God thing wrong. Hey, thanks for listening and it was great talking.

My site on monotheistic religion: There is no God:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/

Includes pages on your beloved 10 Commandments. I think they require more critical thought than that which you've shown.

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NO GODS

(Anonymous)
GODS ARE JUST INVENTED BY SOME BULLSHITS, MAYBE FOR THEIR PASTIME PURPOSES. THE BIBLE ITSELF TELLS ABOUT IDOLATRY, WHERE PEOPLE MADE A STATUE OF A MAN OR AN ANIMAL TO BE WORSHIPPED. IT IS THE SAME AS IN THE CASE OF YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, ALLAH, JESUS CHRIST AND ALL GODS! THEY ARE JUST AN INVENTION!! SATANISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GODS AND SATAN! SATANISM IS AGAINST GODS! SATANISM IS AGAINST THE IMAGINATION OF SOME BULLSHITS MOCKING AROUND!!!

Re: NO GODS

(Anonymous)
what do you mean "SATANISM IS AGAINST THE IMAGINATION OF SOME BULLSHITS MOCKING AROUND"? satan IS a bullshit mocking around!!!!!!!!!! of course there are no GODS! there is only one god, face the fact and get on with your life you saddo! in islam, idolatry is forbidden, muslims dont worship any sort of stautues! and thats a fact, something you havent ironed out properly! if satanists dont believe in no gods then why do people like you worship satan as a god?

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The problem with religious / philiosophical foundations 1

(Anonymous)
First of all, I'll start by saying I'm a very successful 20 year old male from the UK.

For the past five or six years, I've spent the majority of my days, aside from devoting my personal time and effort into creating a truly happy representation of life (by my conscious definition) for both myself and others, to untangling what I perceive to be (in my life at least), the Universe's largest intricate mesh of self-entangled, defeast contradictions.

Or in other words, the notion of philosophical/religious basis.

During the largest part of my teens years, I spent a lot of time bouncing from one logical point of assessment to another. As a child, I was taught to be a Christian, to accept its beliefs as a conscious extension to my own existence, and to perceive it as an intricate part of my livelihood.

As my mentality progress to a stage of evolutionary growth, and I started to process thoughts and ideas outside the framework of supervised logic, I quickly started noticing "holes" in my beliefs and illogical instances.

Being very business and technologically orientated, even from a very early age, I have a tendency to map my reality against the grain of traditional mathematics/logic and assume an input/process/output mode of thought. After spending a lot of time programming linear applications on a computer, it occured to me that as humans, our biggest advantage is the ability to recover from "crash" situation that would otherwise destroy any set-path logical level of consciouss such as a computer.

In other words, if we're giving information that doesn't "fit" into our mode of thought, we process it any way. And, we come to our own conclusions by literally creating our own, based on the foundation of "rules" we've created for ourself from external stimulus given as we're growing up.

The problem with religious / philiosophical foundations 2

(Anonymous)
The smaller that "rule" base (which is both the resulting process of creativity, and pre-selfawareness "automatic fact acknowledgment", such as being told by our parents that certain things exist as fact), the smaller the categories available to logically assess that particular information.

That, to me, explains why many students of religions both a) choose to follow a particular faith in the first place and b) choose to categorize anything they don't understand in their life into that generic overview of what they believe to be "the answer to life".

It's convenient to say "God works in mysterious ways" when in fact, what you really me, is that you have no clue as to the answer. And the reason religious beliefs are so indoctrined into your personal psychology is because a world with 6 billion inhabitants, ever-changing technology, rapidly advancing scientific groundwork and over 1 trillion new "facts" being added to the world every day is too much for the average person to answer.

So instead, we have created this convenient outlet to "dump" illogical output. It's simply a survival mechanism to stop our brains from overloading and causing neurological meltdown. Also, saying "I don't know" is a specific insult to your own existence and your own ego, which again is something that's VERY survival-mechanism-dependant - so instead of admitting your lack of processing power, you dump unknown conclusions toward religion.

Now, here's my problem (and the point of this entire post).

I've spent a good chunk of my life assimilating ideas/thought structures from various religions and philiosphies. I've spent another good portion of it studying set-logical structures (like C programming, computer science, maths, etc) AND illogical/emotionally-dependant structures too (socialism, psychology, Universal infinity theorum, etc).

Somehow, somewhere, I've met in the middle with a series of principles, and have been given, what I believe to be, somewhat of an extended clarity in understanding the scope of such a deep topic as religion and purpose of existence. I'm not sure if my ability to understand easily points me to correct answers (or even if "correct" answers even really exist in one, solid, physical form), but it certainly gives me an extended set of mental tools to see things from the perspective of others.

The problem I see - with all ideas/religions/thought processes/beliefs - no matter how logical they may seem at the time to your current mindset, is that THEY EXIST WITHIN A SELF-ENCAPSULATION OF THEMSELVES.

Everyone is right. Everyone is wrong. To a Christian, God is right and life is governed by God, simply because their existence is based on that factor. Take THAT away, and you take away their purpose for living. To a Satanist, the idea seems ludicrous, because your logical patterns assimilate a different set of facts, and come to a different conclusion.

But the problem is, every arguement we make to support our particular belief is based on one thing - What we PERCEIVE to be reality.

The truth is, there is no truth. Truth is an oxymoron. The very word defies its own logic. We may think we're all floating in an infinite Universe with two arms, two legs, a brain, and a bagel shop around the corner. But, the "truth" could be anything other than that - who's to know if what we're currently living IS reality, or merely an intepreted projection of such? Who's to know reality even exists? Am I a chemical fluctuation, or the result of a large scale experient? Are these "Earth physics" created as a result of an Unlimited scope of physics I have the power over, and that I've simply attempted to utilize as apart of a pet project that I'm not consciously aware of in this reality?

Who the heck knows? Who can know? Even if you do know - you don't know for sure. I doubt that even if there is a God, he knows for sure. I create computer applications using PHP - therefore, I'm the "God" of that environment. But am I omnipotent? Do I require worship? How is my PHP code, which is just acting in the environment of physics I've created for it, ever going to know anything other than ITS OWN EXECUTABLE CODE?

The problem with religious / philiosophical foundations 3

(Anonymous)
We know nothing of our environment, just what we choose to do inside of it.

Therefore, my long-winded conclusion is this...

You all have excellent points. I can see why a shitscared Christian-type would label God as their "leader" - it's because they're afraid to take personal responsibility. That's admirable. You're ensuring your ability to survive.

Likewise, I can see how the intelligence of Vexen shines through in his articles and posts. To my mind, he has excellent, very grounded theories that seem to intertwine with what I've accepted as my "living reality".

But, we're all operating on weak foundations here. The truth is, we're all acting out on what we've been giving. Religious war is futile. Arguments are futile. Because whilst they may be "true", by some definition, within OUR reality, we don't control the foundation we're standing on.

So at best, it's guesswork.

Imagine it like a bubble. You live in a bubble. To think of a NEW bubble, is just to create a new bubble inside that existing bubble. Everything thought is based INSIDE that bubble. It's impossible to conceive anything outside of it, because you AND your thoughts are inside of it. Anything you create is thus created INSIDE OF IT.

Yet religion contradicts that basic rule of Earth physics as we know it, because it attempts to explain what's outside the bubble. How can you conceive a color you've never seen? How can you envisage a 4th dimensional shape? You can't. Our "foundation for existence" doesn't allow it.

So my advice - for what it's worth - is do whatever the hell makes you happy, because at the end of the day, that's the only solidarity I know to be higher on my list of reasons to exist than truth itself.

But for your own sake and for those who may share the same astral space as you (whatever that is), don't anyone DARE to provide any "truth" as to why I should believe your God. You are not capable of understanding the intrices of existence, as not am I. Your experiences of living in, say, for example, Alabama don't relate in any way to my life here in England. What you say is irrelevant to me. What your parents taught you has no reflection on my life, or the way I live it.

To open your heart, mind and life to Jesus or whoever else is fine by me. That has nothing to do with me. But to say I'm going to a so-called "Hell" (which you've never seen, nor have the neurological ability to assimilate) just because I don't believe a book you once read, simply because I'm too Earthly-wise and intelligent (by its classic definition) to mindlessly believe what some shitscarred, likely suffering individual believes blindly has to say, is just plain stupid - by any logical definition I can think of.

Personally, I believe there is a conscious driving force behind creation. I believe that a) because I want to (I'd rather live my life comforted than not. If this is all I've got, I want to make the most of it) and b) because I think Universal structure is way too precise not to be specifically guided.

In researching historical data, self-help courses, religions, philosophies, logical processes, principles of personal wealth and success, medicine and many other integrated systems that all rely in someway on religion, it's my belief that human beings are still very much in their infancy, and our beliefs are a direct result of our ability to store and handle information.

You associate emotions with names/Gods because it's easier to handle and pass off responsibility, simple as that. No right-minded, independant person of the world who had the fortitude to question the logic behind every mental operation they conceived would even BELIEVE that a being capable of creating something so precise and so specific as the Universe we have come to know, would be at the whim of basic human emotions such as jealously and anger (leading to the requirement of prayer and worship).

The problem with religious / philiosophical foundations 4

(Anonymous)
It's primative and illogical, at best.

At worst, it's an open gateway for psychological exploitation - and it's my believe that the worldly authorities that be recognised this in the early years of our neurological evolution, and created religion as a manmind principle to control the masses. Why else would it be so indoctrined into the political economy of the world, and exist as the underlying power behind every major Government in the world?

Also, many of the so-called "facts" that exist in certain White Light religions are based on historical calendars, names, symbolism and more. How can any system of truth post-date a pre-existing manmade religion that's based on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT principles? Surely truth predates everything, as it's pre-determined from the very beginning?

Personally, I think Christiannity/Islam/Juddasm/whatever is great for a lot of people. It sure beats living your life confused, and provides a convenient mental storage facility for anything your own mind can't handle, so you can get on with enjoying your life.

But at the end of the day, make sure you're living a life that DOES make you happy (by YOUR definition). Because lets face it - Bible or not bible, Church or no Church, God or no God - no matter what your friends or family tell you, no matter what they teach in Sunday school, no mortal on this planet has a friggin' clue as to what's coming next, or even as to why we're even here in the first place.

Any guess is just a guess, based on the same foundation as the environment that concluded it.

What's beyond... we can all only imagine. So enjoy life. Embrace it. And for God's sake, stop pissing others off with your "truth". After all, at best, they're only half-churned ideas.

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