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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards


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2005
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A possible improvement of lazy people and fussy people

Lazy people and fussy people lack Humanity. Modern products of commercialism, I think such people should be put into forced labour in a foreign country for a year. That'll fix them. Or kill them. Either way, Humanity is made a better place by their improvement!



(I had a thought, we do not want such efforts at combatting yob culture to result in an undermining of labour in foreign countries, so, such schemes should involve such things as dam-building, charity work, etc, in ways carefully worked out to be a long term aid to countries, not an undermining of their economy). The people would be improved, and learn to have respect and greater understanding of life in poor countries too.

Okaaaaay. :) Just exactly what are the definitions of lazy and fussy to you? Some people think if you're not physically working hard everyday, all day long--you're lazy. And fussy? Fussy about what?

Just curious.... ;)

p.s: such efforts at combatting yob culture .... what is 'yob'?

A 'yob' is the type of mindless, beer-drinking youth of no value, who do not contribute anything to society, etc. Unemployed, or employed in a series of temp jobs that they can't keep down.

Fussy = not eating a particular food because "I don't like it" and things like that. Some people have genuine dislike of a food so that it makes them feel ill, I'm not counting those, but just people who are picky in life. A result of commercialism-gone-mad, this negative attitude just makes people awkward, slow, disadvantaged.

Lazy means... unwilling to walk, unwilling to brace the cold if it's cold, people who do no excercise (such a modern type of person this is! Such a disadvantage of technology that people forget that physical fitness is a part of mental fitness! -- but with modern drugs, who can the different between a pacified person and a genuinely relaxed/happy one?). Lazy means relying on the Internet like Vexen!, when there is also much to be learned in real life!

If I had have been through such an Academy, I would have been a real life person much quicker, a more physical person, now I'm playing catch-up, and although I'm fitter than most geeks, I'm not strong like a sportsman, like I wish to be.

This modern world, that I love, has it's disadvantages...

The Journal entry I made was actually the introduction to a semi-misanthropic rant I wrote, but I deemed it to be too negative, to portray my biases too much, so I didn't post most of it!

I enjoy ranting... sometimes at the expense of compassion, I judge mankind with a hammer as a blacksmith might smash a lump of iron ore: To turn something useless into something hard, formed, useful, mature. As a catharsis, because the blacksmith is himself not perfect, he likes to concentrate more on ironing out the imperfections of something else... hopefully by having such a skill, he himself feels more worthwhile!

A 'yob' is the type of mindless, beer-drinking youth of no value, who do not contribute anything to society, etc. Unemployed, or employed in a series of temp jobs that they can't keep down.
Hey, I know a few people like that! *L* (The word many people over use to describe them is "loser.")

Lazy means... unwilling to walk, unwilling to brace the cold if it's cold, people who do no exercise (such a modern type of person this is! Such a disadvantage of technology that people forget that physical fitness is a part of mental fitness! -- but with modern drugs, who can the different between a pacified person and a genuinely relaxed/happy one?). Lazy means relying on the Internet like Vexen!, when there is also much to be learned in real life!
I agree on the physical & mental fitness being intertwined. How can you tell the difference between relaxed & drugged? Not sure, but you could look at their eyes and see how groggy they are, or if their speech is slurred. ;)
Real life vs. internet: Yeah, just don't let a computer start ruling your life. You're right; you'd probably become unfit and might even get carpal tunnel problems with too much typing!

Wanna be a strong sportsman, huh? Take up some demanding sports and practice them regularly! :)

As a catharsis, because the blacksmith is himself not perfect, he likes to concentrate more on ironing out the imperfections of something else... hopefully by having such a skill, he himself feels more worthwhile!
Interesting analogy. :) (I think a lot of things are done at the expense of compassion.) Are you hoping this 'something else' ultimately benefits/changes you as well? Complete perfection is probably unattainable. ;) Sometimes I think if humankind could judge itself a little more harshly at times, some good might come of it!

a few afterthoughts...

katminnaar

2003-02-16 01:02 pm (UTC)

Also, on the laziness/fussiness issue:

Some people might appear to be lazy, but in fact there's something going on with them either sapping their energy--some deficiency or medical problem. They may not in fact be 'lazy' people at heart; they're just in a rut that they may or may not ever get out of, for whatever reason (including depression). On the job front, I know people who have a socially acceptable JOB, and yet really all they do is as little as they possibly can. Sure, they're clocking in & out and contributing to Medicare and Social Security, but really accomplishing nothing. Some people without typical jobs that actually pay money are extremely energetic and get all sorts of other things that done, but those things don't fall into the usual category of "helping society" although they DO help in some way!

These could also apply to exercise: sometimes physical changes or medical conditions preclude doing enough of it, or getting enough physical activity to stay optimally fit and strong, no matter how much the person might want that. (And I've been there!) Although I agree, many people just don't plain don't get much exercise, don't want to, and maybe don't even see the benefits. There's not enough emphasis on physical education in schools anymore over here (problem #1). There's also no real education in nutrition (problem #2). Then, there are all the fast food restaurants and busy, hectic lifestyles (problem #3). So what we end up with is an astonishingly overweight population like in the U.S. right now! Sad, but true.

::runs off to get in a 90-minute workout:: ...... ;)

Just a few Questions...
There is one very serious trouble with this whole line of thought.
You are approaching a sociological problem from a concerned humanistic view point without looking at the traits of the very society of people who you are trying to improve.
Now, your intentions are good, and amen and all that to the idea, however, The one problem that first comes to mind is this, Lazy people are IN FACT lazy. You aim to improve them, but as you, and most intelligent people know, human beings must find the necessity of, and reasons or motives to change in order to actualy do so.
What you suggest is only going to take place by forced relocation and enforcered productivity of the individuals who you target as being in need of this model of human behavior modification.
Yet, this is not a strictly external problem, there is something missing INSIDE them that is causing them to act out a *yob's* life. You must correct the inside first. There is no lack of work to be done, roads to jog down, and other activities to join in. They merely are not interested, or have no motivation to seek these out.

Just a few observations;
1. this *program* for thier betterment must be established legaly and politically, Have you any idea how many people would RANT about that? How impossible this would possibly find any chance at all of coming to fruition?
2. How will you legislate motive and desire in the human heart? How can the lazy people find it in themselves to be UNlazy simply by application of a humanitarian tactic?
3. Is a human a yob because of circumstantial and environmental influence? Ok, here you are you bum, here's a big dam you can build! aren't you happy now that you have a job and can help others? (they didn't want to help themselves...before, so why now?)
4. Is it now a rule that we who are productive are now responsable to make those around us so as well? Where is my athority to say to this man GO! and to that man Come! Are they not humans? Have they no will of thier own?
5. Lastly, all change, be it benificial both to the public and to the individual, must need be acceptable to both. Necessity alone cannot dictate change. We must provide positive moral influence devoid of any superiority complex or egoyag dominance.
'Tchus!

Re: My turn to rant =)

vexen

2003-02-16 01:12 pm (UTC)

2 & 3) I do not think it is true that all laziness in inherent, I believe many people are improved in the long term from a period of relatively strict training in life. And for those that are not improved, well nothing has been lost.

In Finland those who do not comply with such a scheme are jailed. (The scheme is something like 1 year in military, or 1 year doing social community work). I don't know if I'd want that here, but I do not know what could be done except for exporting them to Wales.

1) There is no chance of this coming to fruiting, because alas, anything mentioned in Live Journal rants is automatically a thing that is destined to die, and fade into nothing but an obscure and lost computer backup. Should things mentioned in LJ (or on bar stoold) come to fruition, all problems would be solved!

Bums aren't all yobs, not all yobs are bums... but, nevertheless, some of both groups could be much improved after a year of solid work, no matter what the actual work is. If it is physical, then the physical fitness also improves them, gives them more self esteem, makes them happier and more self motivated.

4. Alas, there is no such rule.

5. If it were but an ideal, who are we, the mere public, to stand in the way of what our leaders wish to do? Who needs moral reasons! Emperor Blair will save us, Hail Emporer Blair!

Re: My turn to rant =)

(Anonymous)

2003-03-10 08:38 pm (UTC)

We could reopen the stalags at anytime.

lazy fussy

(Anonymous)

2003-12-02 03:02 pm (UTC)

Im not lazy or fussy Im just t

Lazy fussy

(Anonymous)

2003-12-02 03:02 pm (UTC)

tired, but was too lazy to type it

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