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Islam and the West: Pluralism, Immigration and Danger

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_western.html

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what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
I think islam is THE stupitest belief. they hold on to al book that is written a few thousend years ago, an belief, no matter how much the world has changed, those belief should still be followed.
The are so focused on worshipping "alla", they forget to fit in to the rest of the world. even if the flee, to other country's, they still are fundamentelist moslims. The worst thing about them, is that they are so firm in their beliefs, they CANT listen to other people. what they belief is true, even if they ARE wrong.

I can only say 1 thing. LETS WORK TOGETHER TO DRIVE THE ILSAM OUT OF THE WORLD

srry, for the wrong usage of enlish( if their is any) but I live in holland, where they speak dutch.

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
oh wow..your comment is so impressive. Ya know, I never thought someone could be so lame and replied like that msg..that's the most hillarious msg I've ever read, seriously. Seriously, it shows that the person who typed that msg is an illitrate, you never read or know anything about islamic don't cha ? It's you who should be banished from this world, or else, you could always dig your own grave...How could you judge all those muslims by someone else's retarded action? You don't even know these ppl..you can't judge that they are all the same. Seriously..go and learn some religious practises before you keep on bashing about other ppl.

Re: what I think of the islam

I think the author had a valid initial point, that beliefs founded on ancient and outdated ways of life and beliefs should probably be abandoned.

His other point is that Islam in particular is anti-modern, and socially non-conformist (therefore sectarian), which is socially a bad thing. This is true, Islam, of all the world religions, is heavily opposed to "progress" or "change", the book "Islam and Modernity" by Montgommery Watt as about this aspect of Islam, it is not in itself a provocative or surprising statement to say that Islam is opposed to social, technological change or "progress" as we would call it.

Although the authors tone of voice was a little ignorant, combined with an apparently real lack of knowledge about the foundation and history of Islam, I think he merely needs to change the way he expressed his message rather than have his message banished from the world..,

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
first read the quran.i was just like u guys when i did not know about islam i converted to islam at 22.read the quran.Allah will indeed show u his signs.

Re: what I think of the islam

A few thousand years ago??? I don't think you know much about Islam... I have some basic information about the foundation of Islam and it's texts on http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_untrustworthykoran.html and it's probably worth reading up on a religion before you attempt to bash it.

You have said that because the world has changed since their book was written, it is outdated. By this logic, most world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, etc) should also be questioned, because their beliefs were founded on incomplete and outdated information. In this I agree.

But I don't agree that Islam is the worst religion. I think fundamentalism is the worst, and fundamentalism occurs inside of most religions, especially American Christianity and Eastern Islam. So I will happily work with you and everyone else to remove fundamentalism, and fundamentalist religion, first.

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
Well if islam is the stupidest belief, can u please tell me why is it that, islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, christians, jewisih... all sorts of people are converting into muslims

And we are the only religion that i know of, which has hold onto our book for millions of years, no offense to anyone, but the bible is not the original copy, it has been changed so many times

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
Thank you! Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. People who are so ready to bash Islam know very little or nothing about it except what they hear from an Freemason or a depressed or angry person. You know how we are all encouraged to be open minded towards others? well, maybe you need to listen to your own advice the next time you decide to make uneducated guess about anything. Read both sides of the issue before commenting and do not rely on the media to tell you all the facts, because the real story does not make "good television".

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
In Islam, the word worship doesn't mean just to sit and pray to God. it means to live normally, like everyone else, but while satisfying God, without commiting the sins he prohibited us to do, and do the religious ritual stuff like praying. and islam is not against progress and change, it encourages scientific progress and spreading peace in the world. and about the quraan, it's a book that's written by God, and it's valid for all the times and places, and whoever studies it finds that many scientific things written in the quran happen nowadays.
By driving Islam out of this world you're bringing evil instead, so let's spread islam and worship one God, because there is no other one but him

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
Hello, my name is Magnus Alexander Rawstron Ibrahim and I am spreading news to Islamic groups all over earth of the man who is claiming to be Mahdi, the 12th Imam.
This man is writing a book which goes against some teachings of Muhammad so it is all Muslims religious duty to check out this man in full. Every Muslim and Asian person in his hometown of Bolton in the United Kingdom either suspects of believes he is Mahdi, the 12th Imam and The Christ, so there are thousands of you’re people who can verify his supernatural claims.
He is writing a book and has given 4 chapters of this book on the net which the address of is as follows: http://agnusdei.150m.com It is a free web site space so bandwidth is limited to daily amounts, so if you don’t get to log in one day try the next day when bandwidth limits would have been reset.
Please pass these details onto as many people in you’re religion and country as is possible for you to do so, which I need all people in Indonesia to learn of in full.
Christians should not be being targeted and this Mahdi man tells the world in his website of how to counter U.S. and U.K. naval vessels, in ways which cannot be countered by them naval vessels. He has also told the world of these things in a legal hinted way, so please study his words carefully, where he is talking of Iran in nice ways.
Thank you for listening and this man really is Mahdi, the 12th Imam, or the Christ, whatever you wish to call him he is that man.

Thank you for listening again.

From Magnus.

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
One question: Prove your real and not an imagination or under the control of a higher being...pinching yourself can also happen in deams.

well...i found islam as one of the most logical religions ever...by the way...many ppl are trying to write one line with the deep meaning and easy reading as the Quran but they fail to do so...

so i put forward this challange to you people also and all those who think islam is a stupified religion..write anything which can even match the meaning and depth of any line in the Quran if u can..you can read a few lines at this link...
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/055.qmt.html
when you read this please think logically about everyline and remember this book came 1400 years ago and is talking about things Science and Technology is descovering withen 5-6 years.(i Mentioned Science and Technology because its a major part in LeVay Satanists)



by the way Islam was not founded by Muhammad it was convayed by him..and secondly he only showed people the way of living and he followed the Quran as well...so the information on islam on this website is wrong
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/islam.html
you guys should try this website for more and accurate information on the Quran...i found it very useful on my research and believe it is a good Website to research Islam and in paticular Quran which is a book for all people not just Muslims
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/quranindex.html

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
What u r saying about other religion shows how stupid u your self are because you do not have respect for people therefpore people will not show you any respect. Besides you are using gutter language which no decent person will even bother to look at.I do not care what religin you follow but u sound like full of hate about other fellow humans. To cut the long story short u r basically an anti-christian -anti-muslim and anti-jewish human being and hence worse than an animal. Even animal in their animal kingdom do not hate other animals.You did not write this message because you wanted criticise muslims,you r here to find out how many muslims will respond to your gutter language criticm ? its a trap.and y r crap.

Re: what I think of the islam

(Anonymous)
"Malik as the keeper of hell"
Malik is only an angle not fire God. Understand in Islam there is only one God everything is what he created. Misunderstanding Islam will lead Islam as Evil but you have no idea what is the original teaching of Islam.

I would love to talk to you, raise your point for not being a Muslim and what is wrong with Islam? Disprove

faysal_10@hotmail.co.uk

you are all wrong!!!

(Anonymous)
ok, im not satanic, i am not islamic either,
but i know a whole lot more than you could ever know about islam and christianity....

islam and christianity are the same, but too bad that ppl dont realise that, and i think that we all know who's fault is it, of course if one knows about the history of religions one would know, be it satan or the catholic church, same shit,

but all of you are wrong about islam,

follow the real islam, not the one bin laden does, and the world is way much better than one can possible imagine,


peace, to everyone that reads this mesage,
to christians, ilslamists, satanists, budhists, and all that i dont know about,

peace, world peace, thats what we need!!!

Re: you are all wrong!!!

(Anonymous)
i absolutely 100% agree with you. eventhough youre not islam but you have knowledge, not like all those stupid idiot moron, son of a b***h. a person must know what is islam then they could comment about islam. dont just simply give the comment, it would make them look like a stupid moron. im an islam and i dont go around and comment other religion without understanding them.

Re: you are all wrong!!!

(Anonymous)
i absolutely 100% agree with you. even though you're not islam but you have knowledge, not like all those stupid idiot moron, son of a b***h. a person must know what is islam then they could comment about islam. don't just simply give the comment, it would make them look like a stupid moron. I'm an islam and i don't go around and comment other religion without understanding them.

islam

(Anonymous)
prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) is the prophet of all mankind, and not just to a certain group. He is the final prophet in the line of the holy prophets sent by ALLAH(GOD), and islam is not apart from the other monotheistic religions, but a finality. before any of you misguided people say anything about the holy Prophet(peace be upon him) it is better you read an account of his life. that way you will know what to think and what to say. your ignorance of the holy prophet(peace be upon him)is your loss, and not wanting to know about him would only mean stupidity. and you guys consider stupidity a cardinal sin, dont you?

islam

(Anonymous)
the members of the church of satan entertain the idea that they are themselves gods. traditional satanists worship the entity, or the spirit of satan. clearly, satanists have a very jaded concept of worship. their object of worship itself is faulty i.e. something not worth worshipping as it does not have its independent existence. self deifiying satanists fail to see that they have no seperate existence. and that they themselves are subject to countless phenomena which themselves are unexplicable i.e. death, aging, imperfection. etc. so is the self worth worshipping? when the self itself is at the disposal of ALLAH?
the satan worshippers, too, fool themselves by trhinking that by worshipping satan, they get worldly desires fulfilled. and that itself has no uniqueness.these are all from ALLAH(GOD).
muslims worship HIM WHO IS and besides WHOM nothing else is. ALLAH is HE who neither includes nor excludes HIS creations. ALLAH cannot be perceived but HE perceives all. ALLAH is unique. any reasonable man can see the significance in worshipping ALLAH.
may HE enlighten us all.

islam: clearing the mist

(Anonymous)
for those of you tired of christianity, i would request you all to check out the other religions, the big religions before making a plunge for hedonism and simple philosophy or cults of any sort. remember, its all about GOD. really cross examine yourselves and you will see that you all yearn for THE ABSOLUTE, THE TRUTH, THE ONLY, THE ONE. and THAT is GOD(ALLAH). please visit the site www.answering-christianity.com.

every muslim and non muslim siblings of mine, remember, GOD wants you to think and take your time at that. as ALLAH put it quite simply in the quran, that man can accept HIM only through and by themselves; only by their decisions. put simply, ALLAH is known through reason.

I feel that You are very wrong about Islam. You know that other religions are false due to the fact that the holy books have been changed to please people at the time they were living in.

Islam is a religion that gives you obedience, calmness and makes the world a better place to live in.


ur info is incorrect...jinns were not and are not angels....and not all jinns are evil...but most jinns are....the Qur'an is a Revelation from Allah ( Allah in arabic means God)....Shaytan at one point was very righteous.....and he was among the angels..... until he went against Allah and therefore astray ..... Muhammad pbuh first of all did not write the Qur'an..Again the Qur'an ( the Last Revelations of God) came from God.... How do I know it was Allah who divinely revealed the Qur'an and not Muhammad?... check this out http://www.it-is-truth.org/Index.shtml .....

listen to this

(Anonymous)
islam means PEACE not submission . this chat room or whatever it is is blatantly promoting lies . i believe that my believing in satan you indirectly are believing in god .. whether it is christian one .. or allah ...
to pursue hedonism and selfgratification some lost soul of this world have turned to criticising islam or christianity(though so much of the christian faith has been destroyed).you are truly pitiful.

hey, you should really look up your info, man. There is good reason for all Islamic belifs. Islam is the only religion that hasn't changed and is not misproven.. look at the science then talk trash.

Vexen

(Anonymous)
Ha Ha i can't wait till you burn in hell you sick bastard. How can you think living a life of devil worship and homosexuality is the purpose your here, go do what you like but leave your opinions to your self. FUCKER

"Leave your opinions to yourself" ... probably the only sensible thing you said, but to the wrong person!

Islam

(Anonymous)
All praise due to Allah. I find that the article written about Islam to be all wrong. And Yes, I am a Muslim and not afriad to mention it. It is not a stupid religion at all. In fact I find that this is the best religion of all. Esp. for the women. I would love to cover up soon, inshallah. It is a very unique religion in a backwards society.

Islam Is Good

(Anonymous)
I wish from every body heared about Islam to read more and deeply about this great religion.
But be careful from choosing the wrong books. Try to read the right and famous one and to understand it very well..

BE OPEN MIND Friend

I LOVE ALLAH, ISLAM & PROPHET MOHAMMAD

(Anonymous)
Dear Friends
I red the old bible.. and I red the new Bible too.. but the Qura’an is deferent.. Believe me.. it is totally deferent..
It’s talking about peace, love, old great stories about other life was on the past and other lot lot of beautiful things..
I know that the old and new Bible talks about this things also.. but Qura’an is Comprehensive.. No one in all over the world can write a book like Qura’an.. coz no body can talk like Allah (God)..
When I start reading Qura’an, I feel so comfortable, peace, happiness.. some times I cry from the mercy which I feel it from Allah..
Islam and Qura’an is not only for the past life.. No No No..
It’s for every time, Every where and every body not only Arab People..
Try to read it and understand it carefully..
When you’ll read it .. you’ll believe that it’s from Allah (God)..
Trust me

Peace and Mercy of Allah upon every body (Islamic Greeting)

I fuked ur mum u bastard

many information posted about islam in this website are incorrect and very inaccurate. Islam wasn't founded by Muhammad(PBUH), he is the messenger of God. Islam is from God not prophet Muhammad(PBUH). and the quraan is not organized from the biggest to the smallest chapters. and about the Jinn part, the Jinn are Genies in english, not darkness. and when Satan didn't obey God, He cursed Satan, but none of the angels went to Satan's side, so the Jinn are not angels, they are Satan's offspring.
Please when you post any information about anything check your sources.

if you choose to give information about a certain topic; please try to get the facts straight.

The qur' an was not written by Muhaamed' s followers as a summary of his teachings.
The Qur' an was revealed to him and he himself ordered fot it to be written down.

Kind regards,

Nadriah

Muhammad ordered for the recital NOT to be written down. Muhammad didn't write it, his followers did. And they wrote down different collections of stories between them; the major collectors of these stories then collected different collections with similarities and differences; the early Caliphs themselves bemoaned the lack of consistency and it worried them.

islam respect

(Anonymous)
visit clubtouran.net joke section respect

100% Musim 4 lyf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Anonymous)
U lot r sooooooooooooooo confused....and DUMMMM!!!!!!!
if der is 1 religion 2 bleive in den its Islam GEME!!!!
u lot dnt no nuffin bou our religion,u lot fink its all a joke n shyt bu @ d end ov d day we'll c wa appnz on d day ov judgement wen u lot burn in hell...oh well den u wnt b in d st8 2 cum bk n say ah we shuda bliebed u ...loool

i feel 2 larf in ur lots face, d 1nz dat fink islam is all bullshyyt, truss if u wer a tru muslim den ull understnd how dat religion is soooooooo pure and true...

listen stop finkin bou d wrld and tke a sec 2 fink in ur hed, hu made dis wrld d satan naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i dun fink so...ALLAH (d merciful & d gr8) created us...

insted u lot apprec8in his good deeds u lot r sayn hw he dnt exist...JOKAZZZZZZZZZZZ..!!!!!!!!!!!


heyy all did u saw the home page of vexen ....he said that" why do we think of spirits as "good" or "bad""... if vexen think of that the good and bad are the same he will never to be content of the clear fact "devil is very bad and he will go hell and he will never go heaven so he hate mankind coz we can go heaven" so how can the devil like us and how he can be god if he god he will kell all of us coz he is the frist enemy of mankind and the ethics...(sorry 4 my weak english)
rabena yehdek

islams' satanists

(Anonymous)
how can such pious hypocrites defame in the name of God
the life of anyone by their butchery and paganistic
tongue theology that just plays on lies and treachery
for their own self beautification!!!!!!!

islam

(Anonymous)
i converted to islam at the age of 22.all i want to say is read the quran.Allah will surely show his signs.He is there.believe and see.

learn

(Anonymous)
i myself was a drug addicted and believed islam was this and that.i wanted to know the truth.why am i still living if i am so useless.i tried to follow different religion but still felt unsatisfied.after reading the quran it made me see the truth.Allah is one.from drug addict i have become an islamic scholar teaching islam at universities.learn islam.

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