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From: (Anonymous) Date: April 8th, 2003 09:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Searching for answers

Ever since I started going to church and seeing how people believe in the baptist religion, I have had this feeling something was not qite kosher. I am a big fan of science versus religion. I just have one question. If god created the earth in 7 days and adam and eve were the first human beings, then where does the dinosaurs, cavemen, and evolution come in to play. We have bones, paintings on cave walls, tools used by cavemen and dinosaur eggs as well as iron clad proof of these creatures and cavemen existing come from? I asked a preacher this once and he said after hesitating for a few momments, "God put them on earth to lead us astray." If he wants us all to be believers, then why lead us astray.
I have my own theory of religion. Human beings have to have something to believe in and we cannot go without knowledge. Be it truth or fiction. How many religions has there been in the history of the world? just to be safe, lets say over 100. So out of those 100 religions, christianity is the only right one? Being ignorant, and egotistical is a trademark of americans and christians. Many christians follow blindly their preachers and spiritual leaders without giving a second thought as to what they're being told. Is it truth or not? They dont think about that. What does religion mean? It is a belief. Now if a certain belief was true, for certain. Wouldnt they call it "The Way"?
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 28th, 2004 10:47 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Searching for answers

"So out of those 100 religions, christianity is the only right one? "

There is a logical problem with your comment here. If Christians didnt beleive their faith was the only right one, then they wouldnt be Christians!!

If any religion is true then only that religion can be true. It is impossible for 100 different religions to all be true. So of course Christians will say that their faith is the only right one, because it would be illogical for them to say "actually we beleive that Buddhism, Islam and Christianity are all entirely true"
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 28th, 2005 04:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Searching for answers i have a answer

there is no evolution it is just something that charles darwin made up and there has never been any proof of it. and all the sudden people believe it to be true. the earth isn't millions of years old. do not confuse this with the Bible which can not be disproven by theories.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: November 5th, 2006 04:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Searching for answers

Hi, this is an old question that i've stumbled across but i'll reply anyway. There is some weight to the argument that God's existence needs to be obscure to preserve our freewill but the idea that you can just invent things to 'get God off the hook' when Science finds inconvinent facts is bogus and intellectually ridiculous. What is far more persuasive is that Genesis is a sacred book that tries to make sense of the world for ancient people. It contains truth but is not lieterally true. We learn that humans are not a cosmic accident and that God wants a relationship with humans - you loose so much to read it literally. Like thinking Moby Dick is a book about whaleing.

Kate
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 19th, 2006 10:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Searching for answers

Perhaps Adam and Eve were the first caveman and cavewoman from whom the human race as we know it now evolved? (The older I get the more confused I get about it all!)
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From: (Anonymous) Date: September 17th, 2003 12:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

!!!!great site!!!!

Your site makes so much sense to me thank you, i thought god didnt exist and now i know he doesnt. religion causes wars and that sucks.

I think the idea of god was created to make people lead good lives. humans have taken it too far though. Religion uses fear to keep people at it. for example 'satan'. people dont want to go to 'hell' so they follow religion - simply because they are scared.

you probably know all this but im just telling you anyway.

James R Hunt (hunty_11@hotmail.com)
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: September 17th, 2003 03:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: !!!!great site!!!!

A quote that I open the section on the Christian version of hell completely validates what you say about God, Satan and Hell... they were invented as means to make people behave better.

The quote starts... "The more enlightened sages of the Mysteries viewed such horrors as merely stories to encourage better moral behavior. Plutarch calls the terrors of the Underworld an 'improving myth'. The Christian philosopher Origen likewise argued that the literal terrors of hell were false, but they ought to be publicized in order to scare simpler believers" from The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy, p90, as quoted on my page about Hell.

Plutarch (2000 year old philosopher) knew the same as you have realized.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 28th, 2004 10:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: !!!!great site!!!!

"religion causes wars and that sucks"

Not true!! Religion is used by humans as an 'excuse' for war, but it is rarely the primary motive for war. Usually thats greed and nationalism.

Take Israel and Palestine for example. Many of the most passionate Jewish Zionists are non-religious and not all Arabs are Muslims. This conflict is simply about two ethnic/cultural groups fighting over rights to a peice of land. Now okay both sides use their 'holy' books to back up their arguement as to why they should have the land, but even if you took religion away these two would be fighting.

Another example is the conflict in Northern Ireland between the Catholics and the Prostestants. If you look deeply at what is happening it is not religion they are fighting about; its cultural identity and land. If it was a truly religious war then they would be fighting over theological positions. But this is not the case. Ask any IRA terrorist what they think of premillianilism and they will look at you with great confusion.

In most wars religion is an excuse, not the cause!! The cause is zenophobia and greed!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 28th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: !!!!great site!!!!

"i thought god didnt exist and now i know he doesnt."

Proof?? Maybe the Christian God doesnt exist, but what about a pantheist God or a Deist God?
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From: (Anonymous) Date: December 7th, 2003 05:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Problems With Heaven

Well...who says that God, even if it is "immoral" or "wrong" doesn't have the power, or the right to well, smite us any darn way he pleases. HE IS GOD, Okay? GOD. He can do whatever he wants, of his own accord. If you were God of the world, you think that you would use power, well, to strike down lets say... that guy who you don't like at work? Yes. Somewhere along the line... we all know that we would probably make a few people "disappear". Which is why we aren't God. God is a compassionate God, even thought we, humans have sinned. WE messed things up in the beginning. and who are we to question his motives? FINALLY Have you ever thought about the fact that God might've previously known that these people would reject God? It's possible ~ Missy
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 23rd, 2004 03:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Losing new Christians to Other Religions

I have been a christian for not more than a year. I was baptized last summer. I think that there is a problem with the way that we announce the Christian message. We should be more radical and make them think about christianity the way we want them to think about it. We have to show people that they aren't tied down by the rules and regulations that most people associate with Christianity. They need ot know that they don't have to go to church and sit through a boring preach every Sunday and that it isn't about becoming holy.

Please e-mail me at james@tilgate.freeuk.com
From: [info]zatamzar Date: April 20th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Losing new Christians to Other Religions

I am not by no means bashing you in any way. Just some food for thought.

"We should be more radical and make them think about christianity the way we want them to think about it."

We as Christians don't have to make them think about Christianity at all. We are Commissioned or compelled by the Holy Ghost (Christ within us) to tell others of the Crucified Christ on the cross and the Gift of grace he is giving you and me and whom ever wants to believe. Not everyone will belive as you can see by the views on this board but that is there prerogative and they will soon see what is in store for them.

"We have to show people that they aren't tied down by the rules and regulations that most people associate with Christianity."

We that are in christ don't have Rules like you said we choose to live our lives as best we can to resemble Christ. Though be-it we are never going to get that good at it but we all strive to do so that makes us the better the person. Christians that Live by the way of Christ are not bad people they do good in all things they do, when they mess up goof (SIN) that is the sin nature of Human coming out in us and we that are in Christ try our best to avoid those things and be a better Christian in the LORD Jesus Christ.

"They need ot know that they don't have to go to Church and sit through a boring preach every Sunday and that it isn't about becoming holy."

Truth be know you are correct! Christians are not forced or dragged, made or what have you to go to Chruch, tithe, help others, give to the needy, Ect... i could go on. BUT we as Christians WANT TO. We should want to be with the Lord everyday longing for his touch each and everyday. What better place to learn than to be around those that know of the Bible and that can teach you such thing you wish to know. Also to be around fellow Christians for the enjoyment and companionship cause believe me when you are With Christ and he With You, there is no better place to be, well for the time being.

Any Questions? drop me a line ZATAMZAR@HOTMAIL.COM
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 15th, 2004 07:03 am (UTC) (Link)

you are dumb!!!

nice try on trying to be smart!!! but the truth is people choose NOT to be evil...heaven is a place of serenity and love. they have no reason to be evil in heaven....would you do some of the sins we do to god if he was standing right in front of you?!?1 no. thats why there is no evil...there is nothing there that makes us evil...no war no jealousy or hate....duh!
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: April 15th, 2004 11:04 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: you are dumb!!!

In that case, why does God not appear in full glory in front of everyone, so that no-one ever does sin? If God has that affect on people, a good god would automatically appear in front of everyone in such a way. As God does NOT do this or does not have this affect, your defence of white light theory does not hold.
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