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Christian 7 day creation

This is a rewrite of text I wrote 3 years ago. I wrote most my text on Christianity between 1998 and 2000, and much of it is embarrasing now. You know how it goes. It took me all day to rewrite this bit, it was a long and boring job. Nearly all the original text (and arguments) are gone. It is still boring and mostly irrelevent to most people including sensible Christians, but vaguely interesting if you're just getting into biblical criticism.

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empiress From: [info]empiress Date: April 10th, 2003 08:30 am (UTC) (Link)
The Christian 7 day creation story opens the first book of Genesis, and is the first text in the Christian Bible. The first 5 books of the Christian Bible are the Jewish Scriptures.

Just a small point of correction because this often confuses people. The entirety of what is commonly called the "Old Testament" consists of 39 books in the Protestant tradition and 47 books in the Catholic tradition (with the Apocrypha) and they are all Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures (not just the first 5 books of the Torah). While Christians include all of the Hebrew texts in their canon, Jews do not exactly appreciate their texts being called the "Christian Bible" for obvious reasons. Of course, Muslims include the same Hebrew texts in their tradition as being inspired and authoritative but no one calls them "the Muslim Scriptures."

For cultural sensitivity reasons and for accuracy, scholars now generally refer to the Old Testament as the "Hebrew Scriptures" and the New Testament as the "Christian Scriptures" since the terms "old" and "new" are names the Christians put on to those texts in modern times and is offensive to Jews. Technically then, it is "safe" and more accurate to call Genesis part of the "Christian and Jewish canon."
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From: (Anonymous) Date: September 10th, 2003 05:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Chronological mistakes or and old story !

Dear Reader, What has been published here to me is an old story which is trying to criticize the Bible. All the numbers like: Big Bang 15,000 million Birth of the Sun, the Earth and Moon 4600 million etc ... Are the result of some calculation (scientifically ), but hold on I'm not against science and I love it but how can I rely on something which is variable ? couple years ago, Atom used to be assumed the smallest core and man thought that is the answer for some questions proudly! but later, he found out there is something smaller than Atom. So many times the Earth/Sun life has been announced in different ways with a huge different and our galaxy used to be assumed the only galaxy in the whole universe! and now scientists believe there are unlimited galaxies in the universe! so as you see, our knowledge is not the thing which we can trust in real concept. One day you thing the thing which causes cancer is a factor like X; the other day scientists realize that it's not X it's a factor like Y. So what we know and what we get as our research result is not the absolute point of view. Our knowledge or man knowledge is no perfect. However, although it's a positive work of man but still it's an incomplete issue. How could we trust a fact which is variable and on and off could be rejected ? Thanks for reading
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 23rd, 2003 12:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

your facts are wrong

The earth and everything we have now was created in 7 days by God. there are two ways of thinking to that though. One was is to think about how you were talking about that the 7 days werent actually 7 days as we think of them it could have been longer therefore uyou came up with the thinking of how can plants live billions of years with no sun. well that is a good way of thinking but you have to remember what if the 7 days wour 7 days then plants can survive for a day without sun, and if god created the heavens and the earth, sun, moon, stars, plants, and animal, then I think he can make plants not die. Another thing everything in the bible is true not one person has ever been able to prove a point in the Bible false, sothe writers who wrote Genesis were inspired by God to write that book so I dont think that they would make a flaw or be incorrect.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 19th, 2004 10:53 am (UTC) (Link)

i need some help

my name is David and i am writting about the 1st genesis creation myth. i dont have a good sense on what i should research but i was wonderin if anyone could help me. i am not writtin on whether or not it is true, but all i need is reliable information that i could use in my research paper. i want help on what i should research asap. i also wnat reliable info/sources on both sides of the argument on wheather or not this happen. what else shoud i research for my paper???????? thanx if u can help. please respond ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!......
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 20th, 2004 10:41 am (UTC) (Link)
dont take this as an offense, but i and many people over the world think that your text some how hurts them: when you say at the end of the genesis text: it should be purged, it sounds as if you would be some kind of person wanting the world for himself and not for anyone else. think about the creationists. they think about the genesis the way they want and that doesn't give you the right to just say things like the one your text has

i am sorry if i have insulted you
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From: (Anonymous) Date: June 4th, 2004 05:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

WTF??

Hello. I stumbled upon this website by accident, and am quite angry with myself for wasting the time necessary to read this. I'm not going to say that you're a sinner and are going to hell. Nobody is perfect, therefore everyone sins. Yet as christians, we believe in heaven. So therefor we must be saved not because we do not sin, but because we believe. BUT ANYWAY...
I wanted to reply to what i read. As a previous post mentioned, science is an everchanging study. If you believe that the bible has been rewriten and edited as I do, then you must believe that science, especially that of archeology, has been edited and restudied many times. Any rational person who believes in the bible does not always take it literally, just because of the number of times the book has been translated.
A man of science, however, would understand the 7th day resting period very easily, if I may take that as an example. To ask a mere human-being to believe that an all mighty being created all of the heavens and the earth is quite outrageous. If that human is strong enough to believe in that, then i think God makes it easy on us if he just gives us a simple reason why he wants us to take the 7th day as holy.
Another point: When God creates man, it sais that he does so in his likeness. Therefore WE as humans resemble God. So if i turn the question around to YOU the author, "If you had just finished creating the heavens and the earth, and it was good, wouldnt you take a moment to admire your creation?"
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From: (Anonymous) Date: October 22nd, 2004 08:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Can I assume that you are omnipotent or omnisicient?

You wrote the following "The seventh day is a sign of the mythical assumptions of those who wrote the genesis account. God is omnipotent and omniscient. Yet, it took the seventh day resting? And working out if its creation was good? It is not true that an omnipotent (all-powerful) being ever needs to rest. It is also untrue that an omniscient (all-knowing) being ever needs to wonder, ponder or think: It simply knows, and instantly."

I'm sorry, but these are some of the most arrogant assumptions that I have ever read. How do you claim to know what an omnipotent being needs? How many conversations have you had with an an all-powerful all-knowing being? Let's assume that God did not "NEED" to rest. Does that mean that God is not allowed to rest? Rest simply means that he paused or idled. This does not suggest that God was weak or without energy. And please point out the verse that says God wondered or questioned whether his creations were good or not good. God is all-knowing. However, that does not mean God is not allowed to examine, reflect on, or appreciate His creations.

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From: (Anonymous) Date: November 9th, 2004 04:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
You see, God can do anything. He is all powerful and knowing, etc. The Bible is to be TAKEN LITERALLY! It is either ALL TRUE or ALL FALSE. It can't be both! So, when God says he created everything in 7 days ... He did! Remember, He's God. Every single person forgets that God IS SCIENCE ... He created it. He created math, etc. He also gave the scientist their ability to think and figure things out. All the people coming to this site don't know who God really is and that the Holy Bible (Old Contract and New Contract) are inspired by Him and every word is true and literal. To believe the contrary is a slap in the face to God.
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