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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 1st, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

re: good and evil ?


If there can be no sound (as we know it) without ears and eardrums anywhere on earth to hear it, is there still sound? Would there be light and color without eyes and optical nerves to see it or would all be total darkness? If so then why wouldn't it follow that there can be no evil or good (as we know it) without human minds to interpret what is good and what is evil?
Animals can see and hear and feel but don't seem concerned about good and evil. IMHO good and evil are not absolutes and what is good and what is evil is determined only through the logic and/or the emotions of the beholder.
vexen From: vexen Date: March 21st, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: re: good and evil ?

1) Sound and light are both waves; they are a sequence of real physical events. Information can be gained about them using various techniques - eyes aren't necessary to know about light, and ears aren't necessary to know sound. Likewise, God can make us know about things without us experiencing them directly. All animals including us have instinctive behaviours, feelings and knowledges about the world.

These things exist, and remain to be physical, real events that have effects on the universe, whether or not there are human minds to witness them.

Good and evil, however, are largely homocentric designs that are relevent only to us. For example, disease may be an evil of the world to us, but for bacteria our methods of disease reduction (antibiotics etc), are evil to them. Species suffer and experience subjective evil whether or not Humans are around to witness it.
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