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Why do people hate America? A summary of anti-Americanism

Why do people hate America? A summary of anti-Americanism



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interesting.. haven't read it all yet, but i thought i'd play the devil's advocate on the last sentence: "North America is a great nation"? i didn't realise the US had finally united with Canada and Mexico!

heh. but, if that were the only comment i put, that would unfairly devalue yr essay, i think.

so, check out this site; it'll give you one view on America, especially the articles on sept. 11th on the first page ("left-wing anarchist propaganda" :)

& yr essay was definately informative, a nice collection of quotes and points. I'll read more sometime, when it's not 1am...

Hi! Thanks!

And... good point!

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I think what you're writing here is very well done...I hope that much Americans and also other people read this...I've been on different fora where there are many Americans, I always tried to say them(in a non-agressive manner) that America wasn't perfect but they always imediately said I was an 'America-basher'... A very good and neutral view...

...In the United States, there has been a recent social shift to a new concept of side-ism. It's becoming a matter of a person either being on a particular side or not. You can be on the terrorist's side or on our side. You can be on the communist's side or on our side. The accusations are endless. The grey area of geo-politics has now been wiped clean with only a yes or no demographic that can somehow be used to indicate a person's loyalties.

This is becoming the primary problem, in my opinion. Before the current administration and the events of 9/11 and whatnot, it would be perfectly acceptable to criticize a particular issue of foreign policy as an American. Now, however, with the new social concept (as aforementioned) as the dominant popular attitudes, little criticism can be listened to and understood without a person's loyalties becoming suspect.

Personally, I feel the United States has slipped up most recently with it's rationale for invading Iraq and threats towards other Middle-Eastern nations or similar rogue states. Even in Afganistan the US may have done a lot more harm then good to the nation even with ousting the Taliban. I'd say the blatant hypocrisy of US foreign policy is what offends me the most. While it's all well and good to say that life for women in Iraq is better now with the US occupation, what's that to say about Saudi Arabia or Kuwait where the conditions there are just as bad? Our what about nations like Indonesia or Libya, where their governments are now moving towards more progressive and unified societies, but still suffer from the general distrust and open threats from the Unites States due to a few petty trade disputes?

Furthermore, not wanting to make this topid entirely political, but the hypocrisy in the US media is equally disturbing. Shock-talk pundits like Anne Coulter or Bill O'Reilly have no problem criticising my country (Canada) for failing to join in on the war effort in Iraq, but completely fail to comment on our commitments in Afganistan, the Balkans, or even the recent rescue operations in Louisianna.The innane dribble that passes for political insight astounds me at times.

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The land of ignorance and hypocrisy

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What terrifies me most about America is the lack of "freedom", the lack of "democracy", and the lack of "free speech" Americans really have.

Anyone brave enough to point out the “cause” of terrorism have simply been told they are “un-American”, a “traitor” (or worse).

So the silence continues.. and the frustration about U.S. injustices and hypocrisy around the world grows and grows until it literally explodes.

Sept 11th was just the beginning America.

The best (and only) way to regain real security in your own homes and overseas is to demand YOUR government cease propping up corrupt governments/dictators and oppressing people who have a right to run their countries the way THEY wish, whether it's in "America's (corporate) interest" or not.

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(Anonymous)
Fucking right man. America is a joke. Hell America was founded by terrorists. But most Americans are ignorant to that fact. Just go check out

http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/propagandhi/ideas.shtml

for more evidence of how retarded America is.

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I did not enjoy reading your completly biased and ignorant essay. Most of it was arrogance translated into hatred of the outside world that sees America for what it is. An arrogant, ignorant country that believes that it is the "police" of the world. US Foriegn Policy has killed literally millions of people all over the world in the last 200 years. 5,000 is a pitiful number beside the tens of thousands of dead children, if not women and men who were completly innocent. I support the use of force to give America a kick in the face to realise what the world thinks of them. In this two-sided war, I am against America. Forget the Muslims because they didn't do this for Islam you pathetic corporate assholes.

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Real keen words coming from a weenie communist who accuses others of "bias".Communists like this piece of shit kowtowed to mass-murderers like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and so on in the 'humane' cause of socialism and anti-Americanism. I have yet to read just one of these anti-American twits who claim that US Foreign "has literally killed millions of people all over the world" give a glimmer of outcry about the ones murdered by international socialism. We fat hillbilly Yanks were just doing fine and minding our own business until *sophistocated* European foreign policy drug us into two world wars. My personal sentiments are that after the fall of Berlin in '45 we should had pulled every American soldier from continental Europe and let Stalin have it all. This would REALLY give sanctimonious cry-babies something to castigate 'US foreign policy' about, wouldn't it?

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HEY MA WHATS THIS.
HAVENT U FROGOTTEN THE OIL EXPLOITATION BY THE AMERICANS. BLAINTLY ROBBING THE POORER COUNTRIES. EG FYFFES, NIKE, GAP,ESSO, THE LIST GOES ON . i HAV TO SAY FROM AN AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW THE AMERICAN GOV ARE REALLY AND QUITE HONESTLY A BUNCH OF BULLIES!
tHE AMERICNS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAV OFFERED GREAT TECHNOLOGY SO HAV OTHER NATIONS AND COUNTRIES
AND PLEAZ OFFER EXAMPLES OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES AND STUFF.
And pleaz cmon u cant jus look at the western media try other news agencies.
my mate who works for fox news told me that the us gov is not allowing any true news being sent to home cos it may dent the countries morale.
And a matter of fact we must get the hell out of afg cos he told me that about 20 US soldiers are killed per day. Since the moslems are not buried in coffins but in some cloth, but despite the fact 20 coffins are on average sent to the jacodabad bease.
ANYWAY SEE YA MAN ANON FROM EXPAT IN UK FROM US
BYE

ya!!!

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NO SHIT ASSHOLE YOUR ESSAY DOES NOT HAVE ANY FACTS, JUST WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR TV.. i GEUSS IT ALL YOU FAGS HAVE LEFT eh!!!!!!!!

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I'd rather be flagburning

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Why are anti-americans not allowed to post here? Wouldn't it be a good idea if those people could express their thoughts here in a serious way? Of course, I am one of these people, and even though you say you don't want my opinion, it may be helpfull in understanding at least me.

Some points that disgust me about The United States of America;

1: Capitalism, of course. All socialists take a great disliking towards america since this is the land we're capitalism is the roots to everything. "Land of The Free" is what the country is called, which always mean "free" as in "free market" hence capitalism is what makes your country what it is. i am well aware of the fact that a capitalistic, conservative land like yours can live with it. It's just that noone in america sees what the ideology does to your land. Noone in america seems to care in the least about the workers and minorities. This could go on forever, but I guess you already can see what I'm getting at.

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Capitalism comes the fact that everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in The U.S. is allowed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As long as this happiness is not infringed on by someone else in a deadly manner, ie, drunk driving and the like.

That means that you, I, Joe-schmo down the street can start a buisiness and YES we get lots 'o tax breaks to start companies. This business can blossom and go corporate- or stay small. Depends on what your business is.

Another thing is that in our country if you want to survive you HAVE to serve your fellow man. You can open a restraunt, but if you don't have good food and service, chances are, you're going to go belly up. So Restraunts offer up good food and good service. Unless you go go a truck stop..then you get what you can take ^.^

It's been said that the US should just stay out of foreign countries- then how about we take back our billions in foreign aid? And how about we disallow foreigners to start businesses here or get green cards? They should run their country how THEY see fit?! Then we'll run our country how WE see fit- and I wouldn't worry about it- our smog doesn't reach over the Atlantic Ocean.

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2: Fundamentalism. Religion is very important for America, with god-bless and all that. Even though other religions are allowed, white america seems to me extremely right-wing, and extremely christian. When you put military bases in muslim holy lands, it's very disrespectful to their history, but that I don't really care about. muslims should discard religion as well as you should. If you want to know why, ask any ateist like myself. I really don't have the time to say everything that could be said. go to http://www.punkbands.com/propagandhi and find out for yourself in the essay "Religion? No Thanks."

3: Ignorance. Vietnam for instance, is not a country with history and all to you. Instead, it's just a place goodhearted americans went to fight off the threath that is communism. For an american, nothing exists besides america. To you, America is the centre of the world, and your couldn't care less about other countries and their people. What USA wants is a conservative system where all countries more or less obey them, and capitalism is global.

My friend tried to travel to america to study there for a year or so, and when the authorities found out he was a member of the swedish youth communist party, he was denied access to the land of the free because of his opinions. So was an entire anarchist family i know.

Just out of curiosity...

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I'm wondering why a "young communist" and family of anarchists want to go to a country you hate. Seems like of schitzophrenic to me. So why is that?

And one other question, while we're in the neighborhood: in that "entire anarchist family," are the toddlers anarchists as well? (I sure hope they weren't going to Disneyland!)

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An american to me is a white, religious male. A lobbyist perhaps, at least he is (on a european scale) incredibly conservative on the verge of neo-liberalism. He lives his ignorant life in a country where every leads a good life (at least according to what he sees. Minorities are hardly considered to belong to the human species.) When the tragedy at september 11th occurs. Yes it was a tragedy. Back then. Then came your actions towards the afghan civilians. We will forever be reminded of the WTC terror attack where 3500 died, for hundred of years at least, but we will never in the least mourn the double amount of afghan casualties, nor will we be reminded by you about vietnam, panama, yugoslavia etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... USA kills innocents every day. Americans don't know until the vengeance strikes at them, and then they see it at an unprovoced attack, and all arabs are beardwearing, pro-taliban, allah-worshipping, camel-fucking towelheads, and should be put to death.

And all the time, the american lives his life just like the day before without knowing of poverty, infanticide, or the tremendous amount of hate which is aimed at the country he lives in, from the corners of the globe. to him, america is the greatest, helping every less fortunate country with problem that is socialism. socialism in which the root of all ideas is equal values and rights. I'm not saying everyone should be socialists like I am (Beautiful thought) all that i am saying is that you should stop regarding socialism, anarchism, and communism as af we socialist were some kind of goddamn nazis.

i can understand why people like you can live your lives without caring about the rest of the world, and i can even understand how a conservative mind works. and its really bothersome. It can all be summed up in one word; egoism.

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I am 13 yaers old and I already posted something. I hadn't read everything you had written yet. I'd like to say your stereotype of America is really wrong. I have been living here fo rlong enough to know that there might be one person in America like that. TO say that were all born-again Christians is justwrong. I would never be a born again-christian. Infact I'm Jewish. Also the idea that we don't even notice poverty is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I can't just not aknowledge it like you say I don't. The truth is many people I go to school with are in poverty. I find the way you say that we think nothing of it is horrible. I know that most people I know help out all the time at food pantries and charities. I could right about that for pages, but I have to do my math Homework. I also go to a school where as a white I am a minority. These obviously menas I recognize that there are minorities all the time. The idea that Americans don't is almost hilarious. Just the idea that people think we don't recognize them is almost funny. You really don't know America very well do you.

America "leave the world alone"

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I cant stand the way the Americans are using the Middle eastern nations for cheap oil. George Bush recently commented that people hated America because terrorism stood against the values of freedom and democracy that the STATES claimed to have. How can the rest of the world become independent, because whenever a country tries to rise - America shuts its down by using propoganga against it and finally 'moves in for the kill.' Look at Iran, look at the whole Gulf. All that just for Oil. How many people have to die. Osama Bin laden, Mullar Omar, they may be considered as terrorists; but when u think about it, what they were doing was a much more leanient version of what America was doing. I do console with the loss of life at the trade center attack. But as far as sympathy is involved, I show no sympathy for the American people. Finally the war is brought to their doors steps instead of other innocent regions around the world.Although a lot of people died, the ignorant Americans had to get a wake up call to know what was happening. Now, much more Americans research and try to find out whats going on beyond their borders and thats a step forward. It may have been a fatal expression to spread their views, however the terrorists I think paid the Americans back a small percentage of what they desreved. Hate is bad, but you have to look beyond that. What caused hate to be formed. What caused Terrorism to be created. Surely, there cannot be so many derranged indeviduals out there. America, you've made these people. You paid for Osama Bin laden to be armed and trained. After the September 11th bombing. Deal with it in ur own internal way. Leave the rest of the world out of ur phoney escapades!!!

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It's all for your cheap oil, dumbass. The US only imports 12% of its oil from the middle east, Europe and Japan import most of their oil from the middle east. We became involved militarily in the middle east after Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia's oil - as much to keep the oil flowing as to prevent the destabilization that would occur if Europe and Japan felt the need to guarantee their own oil supplies.

USA! USA!

(Anonymous)
I must say that I thought your essay was quite informative. Althought I did not agree with every thing you said (I am an american after all) Many parts of it did make me think. Keep up the good work

Kristopher Gutierrez
mrground@hotmail.com

Too apologetic, obscures your argument.

(Anonymous)
I'm English too, so I understand the guilt culture as well, but you shouldn't have let this obscure and influence your essay. You were, I think, laying off the US a bit because of this guilt, but the fact is the country is almost universally hated and with good reason. The sad thing is that history is written by the winners and the many human rights atrocoties committed by the US will go unremembered in history. I have no sympathy with terrorists, anyone who uses violence to put a point across is a cunt in my eyes, be they white, black, brown or green, but the fact that the US can not understand why anyone would attack it...that's ignorent and dangerous. I believe Bush made a very glib, "we are the good guys" comment after the tragedy, and the world looked at the inbred fuck with disbelief. I don't hate American, but i hate their beliefs, their arrogence, their flag-waving religious fervor and the fact that a lot of Americans see the words "God" and "Freedom" as synonomous with the word America. The constitution continues to be bastardised, and the average Western European has many more basic freedoms, guarenteed or not, then Americans ever will.

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is that mean they can controlled other policy.

the reason why we hate US is the thing they do, they act like a peace maker in the world, they controlled other to do this and not to do this, they thing they are right, they don't know us, we are happy to live in china, other developing country want develop and they say it make polution, the most polution is made from US, nuclear bomb, factory in the past, they developed on don't let other developed, they are selfish.

"they thing they are right, they don't know us" -- You do not know every american either.

die america die

(Anonymous)
I hate america becase i live next door! I am a canaian, and we forgive by nature. BUT, I can tell you this.

I have to watch american news everyday. I see how and why over 1/3 of the world hates the U.S.. And why that number rises more everyday. They boost that they value freedom above all else. Yet they enforce more retrictions on freedom, then any other country in the world. Like their freedom of speech, (Say what you what as lond as it been passed by a censor), or when they say they are fighting for freedom, and send thier "Peace Keepers" to other countries, to enforce american freedom, (by Distroying thier culture and way of life). they do this to everyone,including the country that support them. here in canada, we can't go to the u.s. without out vigoruos screening and a 5000 word essay on why i love america,(not really, but might as well, it would be faster), then once there pay lot's of money for nothing (including thier taxes) just to pay more to get it back into canada. But they can come here and pay little for lots, then get what they payed in taxes here back. and when we try to make money off them, they put tariffs, and embargo's on all our exports. But for some reson we call it free trade, they call us their bitch.

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Dear Canadian,
Did not your people join in the french and indian wars to rape , scalp, and kill those who fought and carved out these united states, and do not your fellow countrymen frequently cross that most unsavory border to get treatment and surgeries that your so-called socialist medical system cannot deliver?
As for your english, sir , I suggest you buy a copy of the Oxford Dictionary.

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die america die

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well, let's see this is what they do to their naighbor's and not one of them see's it. Well not true!!!! There have been reports that militant group inside the u.s. have tripled since oklahoma bombing and will continue to grow. the hate them self and are crusing for self distruction. Thats why i just sit and wait...in 10 years we will not have to deal with them anymore, because they will have pissed off to many of their own to worry about OSAMA terorising them, they will do it them selves

oh and by the way wait 10 more months, and watch the NEW FOUND american togtherness fall, their self-distrutiveness risie and distroy them, and the funny thing is.... they take us all down with them.... i say fuck it let them kill them selves... all osama did is delay the inevitable.

egadnob69@hotmail.com

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Hey Canuck! You are perhaps the most ill informed anti-American moron that I have ever read a post from, and there are several to select from. Without your hated neighbor to the south of you Canada would also go under promptly given that you are totally dependent on trade from the USA. Canadian nationalists like you can only define their pitiful country with anti-Americanism for the sake of it. If you claim in 10 years we will be finished - so will you. Canada will no longer have an economy to mooch from and you little socialist hypocrites will be back into the Stone Age. Hahaha!! Dumb ass!

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I'd still rather be flagburning

(Anonymous)
You say the american government is like a child, and I couldn't agree more. The whole nation is immature and egoistic, like a fucking 5-year old. Why then should America be so powerfull? Is it good to have a fucking retard like bush controlling the world? That's what makes the USA do shitty things, and that's what makes me hate all of america.
And the constant war on communism... Try to realize REAL communists hate Pol Pot, Josef Stalin and all those fuckheads. They we're class traitors, and used socialism for their own purpose; greed.

Of course, I can't hate all citizens of the US. There are lots of good natured socialists there too, and OK liberals. I'd say we get them outta there and then blast it all the fuck.

INTERESTING FACT:

I'm not sure of the exact number, but...
During the Vietnam war, lots of american men we're killed.

But that number is not as great as the number of women who we're beaten to death in their homes by american men in the same ammount of time.

This is a fact, and it proves american men in general are ignorant wife-beating assholes, and that they should be put to death

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If you are going to make such inflamitory claims you should site specific sources. The tone of language you use makes you not a socialist but a facist. To all that hate what the US stands for: join your brethern in the Middle East. You won't be gone all that long before you come back as reformed realists.

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