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Lunchtime politics...

A new page to my "Why do people hate the USA?" site... following is brief excerpt of the main criticism:

Foreign Aid: USA is stingiest of the 22 most developed countries</a>
The USA claims to be, in absolute terms, the world's biggest giver and this is true. However, as a proportion of it's wealth the USA gives least when compared to all 22 of the worlds' most developed countries.

"[Americans] are regularly told by politicians and the media, that America is the world's most generous nation. This is one of the most conventional pieces of 'knowledgable ignorance'. [...For example Japan gives more even in absolute terms...]

Absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations. As former President Jimmy Carter commented: 'We are the stingiest nation of all'. Denmark is top of the table, giving 1.01% of GDP, while the US manages just 0.1%. The United Nations has long established the target of 0.7% GDP for development assistance, although only four countries actually achieve this: Denmark, 1.01%; Norway, 0.91%; the Netherlands, 0.79%; Sweden, 0.7%. Apart from being the least generous nation, the US is highly selective in who receives its aid. Over 50% of its aid budget is spent on middle-income countries in the Middle East, with Israel being the recipient of the largest single share."

"Why do people hate America?" by Ziauddin Sardar and Merryl Wyn Davies, 2002. p79

Not only that, but according to one source cited by Sarder & Davies, 80% of that aid itself actually goes to American companies in those foreign countries.

Full page:

  • http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/foreign_aid.html
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  • are you pubbing tonight, dear?

    Ya should be, I at home now so I'll be able to read the list too and find out where the meet is too!

    Though ... did they say Ben Crouch?

    Not Even a Thank You (Anonymous) Expand
    It should be noted that charitable donations are tax-deductable in the US - so American generousity isn't as altruistic as it might at first appear :P

    I second your (implied) recommendation of that book; it's very good.

    "The Clash of Fundamentalisms" by Tariq Ali is also fascinating. "9-11" by Noam Chomsky is more of a pamphlet than a book, and overpriced for what it is, but contains some very incisive analysis of the situation.

    I give the book a tiny mostly critical review at the bottom of http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/index.html

    The Tariq Ali one is on my mental reading list - but to be honest the subject kind-of been done to death (and not just by the modern flurry of books on the subject!).

    The Naom Chomsky one I didn't know about, I'd love to read that! Tho' some of the reviews of it sound bad. (And it *does* seem overpriced too for 130 pages!) But I still want to read it, now!

    can I just say you are an amazingly intelligent guy, I wish I'd noticed your webpage sooner... well, i know what much lunchtime reading is tomorrow, anyway! cheers!

    Heeeee, thanks! :-)

    Er, but be warned I'm frequently full of crap too and some parts of my sites are plain embarrasing and wrong! (And old...)

    Re: kudos (Anonymous) Expand
    Re: kudos (Anonymous) Expand
    Absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid.

    Fascinating. Completely wrongheaded, of course: which would you rather receive, 10% of a thousand pounds, or 50% of a hundred pounds?

    Yer a fuckin' git.

    Clearly, he means significance in reference to the generous nature of a country, not to the actual effect of the money itself. This could be why you don't see the Netherlands bullying people with their foreign policy.

    (no subject) (Anonymous) Expand

    The truth about U.S. aid...

    (Anonymous)
    It is true, European governments give more aid to the 3rd world (close to 31 billion annually!) than the United States, but most of that aid is concentrated on their former colonies wherein until recently, they were causing so much trouble in trying to hang on to them. (For example, the Dutch military actions in Indonesia, and the French actions in Indochina and Algeria.) Still, Europe should be commended for trying to be a more positive force in the world than it was during its colonial past.

    If you only count official government aid to “3rd world nations”, the annual U.S. total is only about 7 billion dollars. This does not take into account the economic foreign aid to countries not counted as "3rd world", like Israel, which pushes the figure up to around 12 billion.

    Most importantly however, it also does not take into account annual foreign aid from private sources, which by conservative estimates is AT LEAST 35 billion. This is a difference in philosophy as much as anything. In the U.S., there is a stronger tradition that individualding significant military aid and military bases. It is long past time for most of these countries (especially given the end of the Soviet Union) to take primary responsibility for their security issues.

    Sources:

    Eurostat comparisons between U.S. and Europe:
    http://www.eurolegal.org/uspoleur.shtml

    Official Congressional Budget Office report on the role foreign aid in development:
    http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=8&sequence=0&from=1

    “The Privatization of Foreign Aid: Reassessing National Largesse” from the journal “Foreign Affairs”:
    http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20031101facomment82602/carole-c-adelman/the-privatization-of-foreign-aid-reassessing-national-largesse.html

    Re: The truth about U.S. aid...

    (Anonymous)
    This is a difference in philosophy as much as anything.........

    Vexen,
    I've found your website interesting. I am a bit concerned that in the two years since this ANONYMOUS posting, I am the first to comment (follows) that this reader is the first poster or responder (Re: U.S. Foreign Aid) to show an inkling of an understanding of the difficulty of making the comparison of all countries' relative generosity ($) in assisting their worldwide brethren.
    If you know of any source for a complete and balanced analysis, please post it. I have only been able to find sub-measurements such as those you found and posted to your site. It's frustrating to have the passion to inform others while being hamstrung by faulty agenda-driven sources, isn't it? I DO share what certainly must be your pain.

    Citing factual sources is a breath of fresh air

    (Anonymous)
    Yeah........got it.......

    USA has been nothing but a negative to the world. We are just all evil and should have simply let Europe fall slave to the Nazis or USSR after the war. We invested nothing in rebuilding the fallen aggressors then, and continue to invest nothing in making the world a more livable (FREE!) place now.

    Without the investment of American Blood, this topic would be moot as you would not be allowed to create it.

    I suppose that your half arse evaluation from which you draw your inane conclusions from is right though. I mean, I must be brain washed right.

    If only we could reverse all the giving in blood and dollars over the years. Then YOU and I could live the right way, your way. In a tiny hut quivering in fear from those that profit from our pain. Read a history book if you don't believe it is true.

    It is a real, real good thing that more like myself are indeed not as enlightened as some of you guys.

    And to the other fellow that flew a plane in order to protect our right to spout off about such topics. I get it.........it didn't come cheap, and it damn sure wasn't FREE.

    Foreign Aid

    (Anonymous)
    The reason the USA gives more in foreign aid than Europe (it does, check the ACTUAL numbers) is because we have more of a successful capitalistic economy than Europe, which has become incumbered with too many socialist programs, killing the golden goose of wealth creation.

    So in order to make Europe look better, you only quote their meager contributions to foreign aid in terms of percent of their wealth creation, and then maintain their contribution to be greater because it is a greater percent of their meager GDP. Lame. In the USA results count, not excuses.

    By the way your numbers are way off, the USA gives 12 to 18 billion in foreign aid every year, not over a 4 year period as your number suggested.

    It's OK, we in the USA are used to being trashed by liberals like you who don't have a clue.


    Re: Foreign Aid

    (Anonymous)
    Bebecause we are more successful.
    can you call catrina a sucsses?
    Because we had about six hundred who are called congressmen and senators, nslaved by fife thousand lobbyist in Washington, to ignore the American peoples need, so we can’t afford national health, but the countries we had to help, had national health with dollars, that is given by our masters in Washington, and if our master are wimps, there is no hope of survival to the next generation. Who pays the lobbyists wages indirectly?

    Re: Foreign Aid (Anonymous) Expand

    not that anyone will reply to this

    (Anonymous)
    So we're the stingiest nation? Big deal. Really. In terms of giving 'charity' to world nations, I'm for not handing out one nickel. We'd generate more positive reaction by pissing on other countries than purchasing their disdain.

    Re: not that anyone will reply to this

    (Anonymous)
    I AM 100% WITH YOU. I would not give any monetary aid to any foreign country....

    usa stingiest foreign aid giver

    (Anonymous)
    Japan, by the way, gives almost entirely to Asian countries with whom it has close economic ties.
    I agree with the notion the the US should just stop supporting all the rest of the world and concentrate on its own. Let the Muslims' fight their inane wars against themselves. I don't care which sect wins. I am just thankful as a woman, that I was born in the USA.
    Who cares about the French? I don't think they even like themselves.

    Im glad im not a woman in the US. In a country where one woman is raped every 6 minutes and one battered every 15 seconds.


    Good Lord! You think she'd be sick of it by now!

    (no subject) (Anonymous) Expand

    cultura insensativity against americans?

    (Anonymous)
    The figures appear only to account for government spending. However, American culture puts the burden of charity on individuals not government, like in many socialist countries. Acording to http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#Sidenoteonprivatecontributions Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas per year. This is 3 times the amount of the US government.

    I need aid

    (Anonymous)
    I am a boy of about 21 in cameroon looking hepl else where bacause i don't seem to find hepl anywhere around me. I lost my father at the age of 7,since then life has been very difficult. I strugle until i was able to have my advance level having geography and history. I this present moment i don't have any body to sponsor me i can not longer struger. I known you people can hepl me here to suceed and survive in my country. I really like to futher my education.please kindlly look for a way to hepl me. if there is any way you can hepl then any document that needs to be fill in my box .iwill fill in the necessary information. I remain your humble applicaint while waiting for your reply.

    I need aid (Anonymous) Expand
    Interesting... with good points. I agree with your facts for the most part. However, it should be noted that rich countries such as Japan can give more money if they please because they don't have to spend money on a huge military. The United States basically fends off any aggressors for Japan since the last World War. The United States is forced to give an unreasonable amount of it's funding to military because it maintains a vast number of military bases all over the world. And, like some people, you could suggest that the United States could just withdraw. This is unlikely beause they are a stablizing force (i.e. China attacking Taiwan and bullying Korea and Japan). This is not to say that if the United States didn't have to spend as much on defense that they would give more money to charity, no one can know that for sure. However, it is something to consider.

    You also left out other forms of Aid

    (Anonymous)
    Do you have any idea how much money is pumped into economys of countries by the presense of the US military alone? The hundreds of thousands of troops AND their families makes one hell of an impact on the local and national ecomony. Ask the Germans if they think the US pulling their troops out will have an impact. Why didn't you consider these other forms of aid we give? Does Japan and all the Scandanavian countries have troops in other countries pumping in billions of dollars into those ecomonys? How much is a human life worth? Do we get to count all of our war dead as foreign aid? Why did you compare aid given as a percentage of the GNP instead of the actual number? Looking to support an opinion you already had?

    Re: You also left out other forms of Aid

    I compared GNP values because I was measuring generosity, not wealth. It is clear if I measure wealth, USA wins by far. Measuring giving as a proportion of income, though, is an indication of worldly-minded charity.

    The USA military are not in foreign countries with the aim of indirectly supporting charitable goals; it is not a military aim and is not part of what would constitute good military thinking to place camps according to such frivolous factors. Largely USA military camps are on annexed soil or are subsidized by deals with local governments (which historically have themselves been tyrannical - about as far from a charitable contribution as you can get).

    Germany hardly needs charitable USA aid, I hardly consider the USAs base there (or the UKs extensive bases in Germany) to be charitable exercises.

    we have our own problems

    (Anonymous)
    I am really amused that so many people seemingly care what we do and get upset when we don't match their particular agenda.

    I recently explained to a Canadian woman that not only did we not care what the rest of the world thought but that they better start getting it right and follow our lead on more things. If not the gravy train from the USA will end.

    While, we recogonize the horror of the current situation with the tsunami, we believe that only private donations are necessary and that our tax dollars need not be wasted over there. We have enough people in trouble here that we need to take care of 1st.

    Re: we have our own problems

    (Anonymous)
    our tax dollars need not be wasted over there. We have enough people in trouble here that we need to take care of 1st.

    "WASTED!" You think US tax dollars are wasted on tsunami victims!
    That says it all!

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