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From: (Anonymous) Date: March 1st, 2005 02:18 am (UTC) (Link)

ALL POWERFUL MEANS YOU CAN LIMIT UR POWER

VEXEN,
To be truly ALL POWERFUL you must have the power to limit your own power. Perhaps God decided to do that in regards to this universe. Thus, an all powerful being can have free will, for it can even limit itself if it desires. One must say if God is willing to limit his own power to intervene, perhaps he is not a powermonger or Selfish. If he is reserved, he may just be NEUTRAL rather than evil. Just because God allows us to live in pain and does not intervene does not mean he is evil, because, afterall, he does allow us to experience pleasure. Furthermore, just because we all must die, does not negate the fact that he has at least given us the OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE which a truly selfish, powermongering being never would do. Also, LIFE has alot of pleasure in it, and evil God would not allow that. Finally, there may be an afterlife, if so perhaps it is devoid of pain. Thus, it appears at the very least God is NEUTRAL, and if you believe in an afterlife that may be devoid of pain, good. Sincerely,
GAR. (I also wrote NEUTRAL GOD and GOD WOULD HAVE TO CLONE HIMSELF AND something like "GOOD ARGUMENT BUT WRONG PREMISES"
vexen From: vexen Date: March 3rd, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: ALL POWERFUL MEANS YOU CAN LIMIT UR POWER

Alas, as the traditional God is outside of time (eternal) and all-knowing, then BEFORE it decided to limit itself it would have learn all that it was going to do, so even if it was seen as logically possible to limit the power of God, it wouldn't actually grant itself free will by doing so.

If you hold that God can limit it's own power, then you are saying that God could also kill itself. If you posit a theory of God that includes the potential to create illogical, or logically impossible, states, then the theory you're proposing is itself unbelievable.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 8th, 2006 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: ALL POWERFUL MEANS YOU CAN LIMIT UR POWER

If you hold that God cannot limit his own power, then you are saying he is not all powerful and thus the basic attribute many of your arguments depend on collapses. I would say that yes God could kill himself if he wanted. For those that believe Jesus was the physical manifestation of God, God the father did indeed let the God in physical form die. I consider myself a Universalist/Unitarian, so I do not think that Jesus was God, but yes, theoretically, God could kill himself. I think you should consider joining the Universalist/Unitarian Church. It is a very liberal church that does not believe Jesus was a God just a great teacher. We also believe that you do not have to be a "Christian" to go to heaven. Furthermore, we do not believe in Hell. I will reinterate this as my main message though, God cannot be completely evil because life is not completely painful. Eating and sex, the things most fundamental to survival are pleasurable, if God was truly evil, he would make everything painful. I cannot prove God is completely good, but I think it is impossible to prove God is completely evil. As far as God's existence goes, I think String Theory helps bolster the argument that some Godlike being(S) created this universe because now we know that microphysics is based upon order and laws as well (before microphysics was all just based on chaos). The fact that everything, large and small obey certain laws and that everything is made up of the same "stuff" (i.e. vibrating strings of energy) I think argues in favor of some Godlike creation, although I cannot "prove" God exists.
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