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Ignorance Contributes to USA Antagonism

Ignorance Contributes to USA Antagonism

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well on the whole, given the dominant
position of america in the world now
and the very substantial power for the
last century, I should think what is the
more surprising and perhaps unparalleled
in history is how little hatred
there is for America...
this not intended as argument really but
as a counterpoint or even complementarity
to the thought that there are people who
do not like America very well.

USA's only been unparalleled-dominant for sixty years, (and for some of those Russia was seen as a second superpower), just wait another hundred years and I suspect it'll be hated just as bad as the European colonnial powers, the Roman Empire, Genghis Khan... etc!

(That made me think... could I list "The Vatican" in the same way?)

There's actually an interesting book I've been on the lookout for (although I'm not going to have the chance until Feburary as I'm going away for 3 months to a place with no libraries... or Internet)... "The Rise and Fall of Nations", which is a look at the similarities between... well, you can guess.

well as to the vatican the thing of it
is that in aspects of its history and reality
it really has followed the idea that
the first is the "servus servorum.."
and it is then of course that we may
recognize the voice of the Fisherman...
and in other moments of course there
was Caesaro-Papism which led Dante
to the two poles idea in de monarchia
positing post of Emperor and of Pope...
it you are learned in Tarot you will
perhaps know Tomberg's discussion of
these posts in his meditations...but
I am rambling...
so of course it is not of the same order
really yet I would say in the Popes in my
time(which is a while) have been better
statesmen than almost any world leaders...
and also for the most part having the
servant's heart...
but I am runinng on...
as to rise and fall... I think the excitments do
us little good perhaps and Stephen Daedelus
in saying "history is a dream from which I
am trying to awake" is no doubt also
unbalanced but corrective...
these tangential
+Seraphim.

Re: hate

(Anonymous)
Amo mi país, y la gente que es tan irregularmente contra-Americana es las estúpidas. Ella es apenas celosa a que ningunas cuidan sobre su país estúpido. ¡- un americano que habla ocho idiomas, así que el chinga usted!

You driffed in to why people think americans are dumb as well as why people hate the US. I think in that area you missed an important contributing factor. TV Improted from america. Yes in this sense America is very much a victim of it's own success.

Firstly untill recently the majority of the most popular shows from the states were comedies. American comedy normaly work on the pricple that most of the casr are either outright dumb of mentaly unbalenced. This forms a large part of our view of ammerica. Then you have the most popular show from america to star actual real people Jerry Spriger. This gives us the impretion of what "Real Americans" are like. Deep down we know it's biased by the fact that sane sensible americans arn't dumb enough to get involved but the image pressented by the show slowly digs in to the subconcious as being what real ammericans are like. The nexted biggest show invloving real americans? I'm guessing it's Cops which means the next biggest amount of air time the US public gets is hnded over to criminals.

No wonder we think the Americans are thick

At the end of the day we also have the thing at the moment where it's cool to make alot of noise against the war but speaking out for it in public will get you socialy exscluded. I know one person who when asked by a bloke with a TV camra if he supported the war said no but when asked by a private polling firm said yes. I will not give his name as he may not apreciate it.

I definitely think you have a point about the dumb-factor associated with US TV exports. Imagine how the rest-of-the-world would view the overall IQ-level of Britain if they got their impression solely from watching Brookside, EastEnders and Coronation-Street?

[OTOH it worries me greatly that the two most-popular UK TV series 'stateside seem to be Keeping Up Appearances and Are you Being Served].

As to the war, well, I'm quite happy to speak out for it and end up excluded from some sections of society as a result. I've got relatives out serving in Iraq at the moment [one in the Royal Logistics Corps, the other in communications] and my loyalties most definitely lie with them and what they're doing rather than with the peacenikkim and anti-americans.

I understand justified anti-Americanism

(Anonymous)
I understand the jealousy factor. A lot of Americans can't stand California since it's so quick to let everyone know they are the most economically powerful state. Californians are arrogant. Americans are arrogant, and so are Europeans. It comes with the territory. Everyone hated England during their empirial period.
Americans don't hate anybody. We might make dumb jokes about people of other nationalities, and they do the same, but we don't understand that, after WE were attacked and OUR PRESIDENT made the decision to invade Iraq, there's suddenly all of this maniacal hatred of America. It's like Europeans or anyone for that matter wanted what they believed in their mind to be a legitamite excuse to hate the USA, and that was the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Our president is a spoiled rich kid who was at a time the first son and many Americans strongly believe he won the election illegally and that he knew prior to Sept. 11 about the attacks but allowed them to happen so that he could invade Iraq and seize nuclear weapons his father sold to Saddam Hussein in the eighties in promise of political gain. Americans aren't entirely idiotic. Just Bush-Loving, Fox News watching red necks who don't listen to reason are. Are in America, there are plenty of those.

Re: I understand justified anti-Americanism

(Anonymous)
I live in the south, were everyone is dumb and prejudice. My family is originally from Boston, and I have two sets of grandfathers who LOVE George Bush. I just don't understand why some Americans have this mentality, "America is the greatest country in the world. Jesus loves us and no one else!" I was raised to love this country, but now that I enter my late teens, I realize what a lie it all was. George Bush is a pig and deserves to die like one. I'm sorry, but if he's going to invade a nation that had NOTHING to do with Sep. 11 and while innocent women and children die, he's living a life of luxury with his fat daughters and the his wife (I assume if she were to ever start thinking for herself, he beat her into submission and show her that men are dominant) He's the same as Hitler or Saddam Hussein: He has no regard for human life, it seems, and he lies and tries to gradually take away our freedom (a womans right to choose?) and his opinions are to be opposed on everyone. The country is in a horrible state. Education sucks, healthcare sucks, and then Fox News. Sometimes I wish, hope and pray that it was the Fox News building and not the twin towers that went down. They're nothing but Pro-Conservative/Christian/Rebublican etc. Propaganda Network. It's disgusting to realize our leaders are lying, corrupted pigs and there's nothing intelligent or compassionate people can really do about because Bush WILL NOT listen to other opinions. I'm a Christian, but not a fanatical one, and it utterly repulses me that this man would guise himself under the vail of Christianity. This country IS NOT a Christian nation, and I just want to beat people who think America is defined to one religion. I mean, that is what makes us different from everyone else.

Re: I understand justified anti-Americanism

(Anonymous)
Everyone in the South is dumb and prejudice...wow, you know everyone in the South...impressive.

You're a Christian...it so shows in your George Bush deserves to die statement...very Christlike...oh, I almost forgot about your hope for Fox News to go down...hey, do you dream about it being full of people...I think Christ would like your style. Bush is very Christian...by your account he likes killing...any you seem all about the death and destruction too...awww...you guys could be twins.

Talk about glass half emty...doom and gloom...it's the teen hormones...serious.

Yeah, there is plenty that needs to be fixed...but snivelling about it isn't going to help. Why don't you do something productive...and try to help. Your tirade seemed pretty fanatical...very apocalyptic.

You talk about freedom...how it's being taken away...but it seems like you would do the same to people who don't think like you....grow up...if you want something be able to give it to others.





Maybe America's reasons for thinking of the English as nothing but rotting-toothed alcoholic/ erratic drug abusers is because of English imports like Absoulutely Fabulous, portraying drunken, yellow teethed English women calling eachother "Dahling" in an arrogant tone every ten seconds. But then again, America is made of many many different types of personalities, and it would be unfair to generalize the English. Maybe you're the idiots because you're watching the television shows and believing it. IT'S A FUCKING TELEVISION SHOW.

erm... That was kind of teh point I was makeing in the first place. It's most of what we get to see of america. so that's the image that pervades. When there is no other image being deseminated it is the image that gets in to peoples minds.

TV is powerful stuff. Being from america I'm sure you understand that.

I think you guys are secretly in love with us...you spend loads of time thinking about us. It's too bad...we don't do the same.

We go about our lives...we don't waste our time thinking about what you're like...if you've gained weight...what kind of music you like...why you call it footie.

I think that's why you like to pull out the dumb card...you're so vain...you guys need a new obsession....hmmm...it's tough...we are hot. I'll get back to you on that.

Ok...I'm done teasing...but it's like why do you care about us so much...you shouldn't. We really don't care that much about what you're thinking about us...that's not to be rude...it's just a waste of time. I don't spend my time concerned with what you're doing or finding new ways to put all of you down...it's lame. So maybe we should all chill and live life.

What happens in America matters to us because America is a hugely rich English speaking country. This means that your media companies have the resources to force their products down our gullets in a way our own media companies can't. Even our biggest newspaper is owned by an Americana citizen (Even if he is Australian born). This means that the same media influences that have damaged America over the years force their way in to UK culture too and this in a world where Democracy has long since been replaced by Mediocracy.

Anglo-African culture in the UK used to be a mixture of African and English culture. Now it's a mix of English mainstream culture and American gang culture. You can imagine the shit that results from that.
We get dragged in to America's wars and Adverts for American product swamp out media outlets.
We would love to see less of America but it's an inescapable force. I can only assume that we must also be getting the worst of America pumped over here because if what we get is a balanced representation of America then yours is truly the most F**ked up country on the planet.

Personally I think the main problem we have over here is the Australian-American I mentioned earlier. Media's the big problem and if the UK wants it's soul back not only dose the BBC have to be stood up for but some kind of rule regarding foreign ownership of TV broadcasting companies and major newspapers is needed. Such powerful political entities need to be run by people who's fortunes are tied to the countries they have such an effect on and actually have a reason to care about the UK.

Dude...lame...you're blaming us because you lack willpower and can't grow a nut. We have no problem turning down your stuff...I guess we have more willpower and bigger nuts...shocking.

Will power dose not come in to it.
Money is what it all boils down to. The pathetic media broadcasters here prefer to buy things in because it's big names on cheap. Only the BBC has the balls to work up new concepts of any worth because that's what it is given money by the government to do, but the media have all been primed to do what they can to destroy the BBC because their bosses have financial interests in other organizations. Our biggest media baron also owns the only viable satalight TV network and many related news channels. He's not even British (American citizen Australian born) but the government back in the 80's sold him the rights to it in return for the on going support of his newspapers (No body at that time even considered the possibility of a politically biased TV news outfit in the UK).

The US music giants have the media might to make sure the music buying public get told to buy their stuff and ignore UK acts. The Only UK artists you hear about are the ones willing to get their tits out for the papers. There is a vibrant UK music scene out there but it's hard to find and you have to know where to look and as soon as a place gets a rep for being a source of decent new interesting music it gets swallowed up by the main stream money men and the most money is of course coming from the American companies. That's Market economics for you really. It slowly dissolves away national culture. It's not Americas fault and I never said it was. They just happened to be the biggest player when media went global.

All the same it doesn't change that actually we are being dragged down by American culture. I don't know if you have other stuff that you watch in the US and we just get the cheap poisonous crap. I suspects that may be the case. I can't believe your nation wouldn't have torn it's self apart if what you send over here is all you have to watch.

Of course there is no British film industry any more worth mentioning. I can't actually remember seeing a decent film recently (Although I have heard good things about UP). There is something about the corporate producers that seem to have watered all films down to something bleached of any strong colour or intellectual challenge. I don't pin this on America as such. It's American companies in charge of it of course but the problem there I think is all the power now being with the money men. Pretend to be challenging because that's cool as long as the main stream feel it's actually challenging to somebody else.

The final problem is this, It's a vicious circle. The problem can not be resolved until the UK government shake up the media and force it to give British culture a chance. Any government that trys to exercise any control on the media will instantly be turn upon by the media and destroyed. add to this that it could be the thin end of a wedge that would lead to to much government control on the media and we have a situation that is not easy to deal with.

As I mentioned before the only thing the government can really do without taking control of the media is make British citizenship a pre-requisite for having a controlling stake in a major UK media organ (newspaper or TV broadcaster).

It's probably to late for this as this battle will all be on the web soon and national boundaries will count for shit. This is why News International/sky(/fox?) wants the BBC out of the way now and is making sure the conservatives are put in to power to do this. The BBC is the UK's trump card in the battle of international culture. It is about to be sold down the river by the conservatives in exchange for the next election. We will then be hailed out of Europe where Murdock dose not have a power base. and then we will be totally subject to the same trash culture as the US and have no choice in the matter.

True enough that it's time this country woak up to it's self, but there are no easy answers to it being America that has the bigger budget and that will always win a media war.

You know if you all stopped watching and buying our products they would go away. So, it's really up to you as a nation to work that out. It sounds odd when you say...."..we're being dragged down by American Culture." do you not take responsiblitly for yourselves?

Fine, you don't like our culture...but why do you have to call it trash? You guys are very ethnocentric. I like my culture and so do many Americans...and I don't feel the need to slam other cultures to make myself feel better...it's very petty.

You seem like a very negative person...I hope you get the U.K. you want...so you can stop blaming us for your problems.

Like I said several times I've no idea if the trash TV we get shipped over here from the states is Representative of what you actually get on TV in the US. What we seem to get over here all seems to be lowest common denominator stuff backed by huge marketing budgets. It's easy to say don't watch it. A lot of the time I don't but when a new American show turns up after weeks of press hype claiming it was a run away success in the states and posters everywhere and sticker books and trading cards and free give aways in all the papers. You can actually be sick of a show before it even arrives. That kind of media hype tells everyone that it's cool to like a show and as ever any decenter are broadly ridiculed and bullied until they follow the popular culture line. The most powerful parts of our press are owned by an American who also runs our only satellite TV Broadcaster. He uses that might to slam most UK productions because he wants his main rival (The BBC) destroyed.

Money dictates culture these days and the UK hasn't had any money since WWII. It's the way of the world. American media companies have no duty or reason to care what state British culture falls in to. It's not their country to worry about. Doesn't stop it being a major contributing factor to the collapse of the UK's soul. Like I said right back near the top of all this it would help if British politicians didn't immediately freak and cowtow(sp?) when America expressed the least displeasure at our actions.

America is a cultural imperialist country. Power dose that of course. I think it's just human nature and of course it's almost as impossible for people of one country to see that what is right for them is destructively bad for anyone else as it is for somebody to truly comprehend the inevitability of their own death. It's just one of those things that people can understand on an academic level but can't actually bring them selves to believe emotionally.

Remember The US is flecking big. So big that you don't realize that some of your corporations are so massive as to wield huge power in them selves. This is power that can be contained and dissipated within a place as big as the US but which can knock a small country like mine for six.

Such is life. It doesn't mean individual Americans are bad. I know many who have escaped over here and some of them are decent people. But as one huge mass you cause emmese damage purely as a function of your size. Do not take it as a huge insult when I say that some times this country should kick back against the influence of America more than it dose and should stand up for it's self more. Not just lay there and be rolled on.

It's scary to think you are our Allies...the only thing that comes to mind is...with friends like you who needs enemies...

Allies, Yes but given America's tenancy to dump on the UK on a regular basis Can we really call America the UK's friend?

I imagen that America still being one of the big three powers in the world America will be friends with who ever it is convenient for it to be friends with on any give day and the leaders of said nation will of course act like America has always been a good friend really and conveniently forget the shit because that how international politics works.

It's called passive/aggressive bullying. Russia seems on the other hand to do Aggressive/Aggressive bullying and China seems to say nothing very public if it can at all help it while quietly buying the loyalty of lots of poorer counties with useful resources (Which is probably why people are starting to like them, if they ever start actually trying to say much I imagen they will become very unpopular very quickly).

When is that...I don't hear negative stuff about the U.K. here...I'm serious too...we don't really hear/talk much of Europe on the news or day to day...I think someone has been telling you stories or you're paranoid.

Of course...hasn't every country done the same? Hmmm...yeah, I wanna live in a country that doesn't look out for my/our interests. Since you're so critical it must mean Europe is like that...only thinking of others...always putting others first...right? When Great Britian, Spain, Portugal, France, etc...were colonizing the Americas did they not do things for their benefit, or did they enslave the Natives and Africans as a favor? Did the Euros not strip the Americas of gold, silver, and other resources...sending all back to Europe...was that another favor? It's amazing and offensive...how Europe overlooks their misdeeds...but holds others to a standard of perfection. Get over yourselves...the pettiness is old...but if you're going to stay in that mode...get some new material...this is played out.




I do agree...we could take more interest in the World...that is an our bad. It's just really hard...getting in the mood/maintaining it when people are telling you how stupid you are, how you're Satan, how they want you to die, etc...maybe it's just us...but they're kinda mood killers.

Just wanted you to know I enjoy reading the things you have to say. It helps to have outside resources with actual intellegence/insight.

Thankyou >^__^<~ *purrrrrr*

Ignorance

(Anonymous)
Sorry Vexen, but I hate Americans, loathe them in fact. Wasn't always this way, but the more contact I've had with them, the more I've come to hate them, their greed, ignorance and sheer arrogance are all disgusting and intolerable. Made the mistake this year of going on a boat trip as the only Brit with 11 Americans, thought the kind of people who would go on a trip like that would be a bit broader minded and more intelligent, but sadly was proven very wrong.

American TV

(Anonymous)
During my time in the US (a couple of months) I could never find anything intellectually stimulating to watch on TV, unless it was a British import.

Re: American TV

(Anonymous)
Sure there are. Educational documentaries are on all day long on the History Channel, a favorite of mine. You can watch autopsies or surgeries on the Discovery Channel, what documentaries on andigionist tribe cultures in Africa and the Americas, or you can watch MTV and TRULLY understand why people hate us. I watch MTV and I hate America, too. I watch E! and I hate America. I watch Fox News and I want to start killing people. It's just naturally human.

A shame.

(Anonymous)
Such a good report. This is by far the most decent report there has ever been on anti-americanism. If I was to show this to any of my European friends, they would simply brush it off, never giving it a chance to get them to think differently. It's hard being American these days, but well worth it. While I dont think the United States and EU will ever truly respect or appreciate each other, it's good to know there are intelligent people out there making reports such as this. God bless you, and thank you for this. - Nic P.

Anti-American Feeling within the UK

(Anonymous)
Firstly I'd like to apologise to all Americans on behalf of the UK for the distasteful and immature postings on this site. I am born and raised in the UK and agree that there is a certain amount of anti-American feeling amongst its citizens. Like any nation we do have a disagreeably large amount of ignorant people within this country and it is always these ignorant few who seem to feel it necessary to voice there unjust and unfounded opinions. In mild defence of our ignorant masses however I do feel there their warped opinions are developed (as stated in an earlier post) from the US tv we receive but predominantly from our own media, who do like to jump on the stereotype bandwagon. Newspapers like the Sun, the Mirror... in fact any UK tabloid newspapers certainly don't help suppress anti-anything feeling amongst the 'sheep' (look at continual anti-german, anti-french etc. etc. etc. jibes). If it sells, they print it. And unfortunately, the ignorant buy it. It also doesn't help that the vast majority of UK citizens rarely meet and actual Americans. There rare few most people in the UK will bump into will be tourists... and any nation judged on tourists alone is likely to fare very poorly. Especially the UK! But to quote Robert Browning, 'ignorance is not innocence, but sin' and unfortunately when it comes to ignorance there will always be more sinners than saints!

oh my gawd... this whole site revolves around how jealous the rest of the world is of the states... i mean hatred isnt always justified...but a lotta people have genuine reasons for hating the states which i and im sure any american could understand, this doesn't mean the rest of the world is jealous... there are other reasons to hate something and saying that everyone is jelous is just plain arrogent and pretty much the reason they are hated in the first place. 15 UK

Jealousy is one (unjustified) reason why some hate the USA but this site does not revolve around that as the only reason, although I do of course mention it.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html#Why contains a long list of reasons why people hate the USA.

The particular page you're replying to highlights the role of ignorance and stupidity; neither are "jealousy". They are two other non-justified reasons why people tend to dislike the USA.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/ is an examination of many reasons why people dislike the USA, both justified and immature reasons. Jealousy is but one small subject area of this site.

Please read more before you comment, I nearly deleted your comment because it was apparently brainless and prejudice. Research, read, then comment. Or at least say something informative.

USA

(Anonymous)
I am an American and a Satanist so I am interested in Vexen Crabtree's site.

This is interesting stuff, but I wanted to point out a few things. A lot of criticisms of the USA are well-founded but a lot of non-Americans don't realize what is behind them.

The idea that the United States has no class system is a myth. There is stratification here and the "elites" will always try to maintain the status quo. The general population does not have the influenece the rest of the world thinks nor what they think they have. It is the richest nation but that wealth is held by a tiny percentage of the population.

One has to consider the source on facts. There is a lot of violence in the U.S. but the statistics are suspect. 1 in 3 women are NOT assaulted. That figure comes from a series of unscientific studies used to help fund and publicize special interest groups. The so called "war on drugs" also contriutes to the crime rate, but there is a lot of corruption in how that "war" is fought, and who profits from it.

Re: USA

(Anonymous)
Our president is evil, yes. He is possibly a closeted homosexual, but I think that is his father, since Georgie's mother seems to have very masculinised facial features. The American military is killing innocent people, just like the British monarchs who had British soldiers killed for their personal wealth. Buckingham palace was paid for in blood money. Keep that in mind when you try and criticize USA, Europeans, because the US is a young nation, (but the oldest nation in the Americas, that's why we're referred to as Americans) and we are going to make mistakes. Just like Great Britain did. Just like France did. Just like Russia, just like Germany, just like Italy. Then, we China or Japan become the world power, we can all hate them for no reason, too! Keep in mind that when your country fucked up and was killing innocent American Indians and other natives of Australia and New Zealand and Canada you killed their wasn't any TV cameras or reporters to propagate any anti or pro bias.

first link

(Anonymous)
ok...I read the first link....I could break all those points down...but why bother...I'll just select a few....the one about us (Americans) needing to be more humble...that had me rolling...coming for a Euro...rich.

U.N....couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag...it would take them at least a few decades to think through a plan. I honestly wish we would just bail and let you all fix your own problems. You guys nag so much that we can't even hear the important things...we just tune you out on contact. It's like you guys were never major imperial powers...didn't you guys bring slavery to the Americas...and wipe out most of the Natives? I do think you guy are jealous of us...I don't think that's all of the equation...but it's there. All this stuff you thow at us...is it any wonder why we prefer to live in our own world? If you have to think about it...who are the thick ones?

No matter what we do you'll find an excuse to slam us...I'm so over most of the world...you aren't even worth it.

America doesn't think itself better than ANYONE. It's these Europeans saying, "America has no history or culture. The people are ignorant." That is the most ignorant thing anyone could ever say. American culture is undefinable. We are not bound to one creed, race, national heritage or background. We're black, white, hispanic, Native-American, Indian, Jewish, Catholic and everything else. Besides, Intelligence comes from the mixing of races, as to further evolve the human race. Europe is were white people originated. Everyone in Europe is mainly Catholic, Anglican and white, no?
American history is that we fought for our independence from Great Britain, and our founding fathers who were English immigrants, wrote the FIRST NATIONAL CONSTITUTION WHICH DECLARED freedom of speech, religion, press, etc. Great Britain, France, and all the other free, Western nations of today didn't change their constitutions until after America was created.
Just because America's constitution is arguably the greatest constitution ever divised, doesn't mean we think we're better than anyone. We just like to think we were the first Western nation to declare those kinds of priveledges. At the time, the English and French were sending people to the guillotine left and right for diagreeing with the government or even speaking out against the government.

The EU against the US

Thanks for your nice word about 'us poor bedraggled Yanks'. Not only are we forced to have the Idiot King as President for two terms (and no, as our Former President Carter has himself recently said, Bush was NOT the elected President), but we have to be told that we're hated 24/7. I am like most Americans I know -- I hate Bush, against the Iraqi war crime he calls a "war", I suspect Bush had a greater roll in 9/11 than any Arab country did, and I have a deep affection for Europe (and hope that, someday, it may be returned) because it's the land of my ancestors. Also like most Americans, I'm deeply concerned with the environment. Here's the bad news: the country isn't run by the people now. It's run by the Carlisle Group, which is an international corporation. Americans are as much an enemy to them as the Iranians are (we may even be more feared than the Iranians). In short, your average American has *nobody* on his side -- not even our own government.


Beyond that, I think what we are seeing now is a many-year process of the more extreme ends of European society seeking to promote hatred toward Americans, just as we have the Fox News cadre in the US promoting the "cheese-eating surrender monkey" idiocy. We're all victims of shepherds at war. They each want to destroy the other. As long as we're all conscious of the indoctrination we're being given, we can keep them on a leash (can one leash a shepherd?). They're using very primitive primate dynamics on us.


If we don't watch out, we'll be at war with each other before we know it. You guys keep the Yankophobes in check and we'll try to curb the "freedom fry" morons, okay? :)


To the remarks made, I'd like to suggest the following considerations.


This is a big one -- my people no more "left the UK" (as in "abandoned it") than someone moving from California to Hawaii sees himself as leaving the US. One would hope we could get past this ancient history, but I've had this pitched at me so many times, it's unreal. In fact, many members of my family were brought over by force during the Scots-Irish peasantry/plantation era. One of my family surnames originally meant "property of the lord".


Also, the English language was brought over here during the time of Shakespeare, when spellings varied greatly. Our spellings are no more "misspellings" than yours are. We merely took one variation while you have another. Just as you have the right to the culture of your own ancestors, I have the right to that of mine. It just so happens they were the same people. No, we don't speak "American English", we speak as viable a form of English as my British friends do. Only if we call the UK flavor "British English" may I begin to see the point of "American English" and "Australian English".


Incidentally, I live in a tiny home, I compost and recycle. I only know two people who own large houses such as those you describe -- and they're both from Australia. I am fat, but we all have our cross to bear. However, I'm an agnostic with an excellent education, so perhaps (given my fat Yankeeness), this might redeem my humanity a little.


Peace and a time beyond Bush to all of us...


Europeans are the ignorant ones

(Anonymous)
Europeans are so self-righteous. Americans may think that politically, but Europeans apparently like to think of themselves as walking dictionaries. I haven't met one European who knows everything about everything. Yet you say you do. For instance, the complete idiot who said,

"I would define an ingorant American as someone who doesn't own a passport, or can't speak more than one language."

If Europeans believe this, they are ignorant beyond belief. Not everyone can afford to leave the nations that they were born in.

Unlike Europeans, Americans realize that wasting your time learning a new language when you are never going to interact with those who speak that language, is stupid. Maybe Americans have something better to do, LIKE PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

Re: Europeans are the ignorant ones

(Anonymous)
meh you shouldnt judge other cultures with who you have met you havent met all of them so you cant speak for all of them

EUROPEANS KNOW EVERYTHING

(Anonymous)
I ask my father, "Why do people hate America?" He says to me, "Because we are arrogant, because we think people should love America and not their own countries." This is not true, I think it is the other way around. Everyone hates America because we don't live by European, mainly French, standards. Because we realize their are more important things than knowing were every country is, on a map.

Believe it or not, there are poor Americans who are more concerned with feeding their families than teaching their children how to speak French, even if that child will never go to France or interact with French-speakers.

The English are the only Europeans who don't "fancy" themselves no it alls. While I have met Russians, French, Italians who think of themselves as walking dictionaries, I have never met an Englishman who is that ARROGANT.

Re: EUROPEANS KNOW EVERYTHING

(Anonymous)
maybe its something to do with english speakers. germanic languages are better than romantic languages when it comes to doing math.

by the way, the english are wonderful people and i love them, as an american. they aren't as hateful as their european counterparts, and thank dios para esta. however, many english people are arrogant, and ignorant. as are ALL EUROPEANS.


Idiots beget Idiots

(Anonymous)
So it's been a long time since this essay was written but I loved it and was enthralled for hours reading and researching. Thanks so much for writing it! Sorry to see the long list of blind responses though.

I am overstimulated and it is time to sleep...Keep up the good work!

yea i think its bad how brits feel about americans as i think people should judge people as who they are not where there from its true some americans are idiots and delinquents but theres idiots and delinquents in every country not just the us

american

(Anonymous)
i am an american in britain. i find not only do people not hate americans but they are fascinated by us. id say about half the brits tell me they want to live in usa. everywhere i go in britain, i am treated like a celebrity. i find americans are very popular in the english speaking world. i have met people from all over the world, and havent really met too many people that dislike americans. most people will say they dislike the american govt but like american people. i have talked to many arab, and muslim people and they have been very kind to me. the thing i find strange is that even the victims of america will be nice to americans, often times even defending the ignorant actions of americans. i got a haircut in sweden by an iraqi barber, and i thought for sure he was going to try to stab me with the sizors, but he was cool, and didnt. the more muslims and arabs i had met, the more i realised how cool these people are. i find the most hateful, and discriminating people to be americans... with jews coming in second. i dont know what it is about them, but i am seeing a pattern of them trying to convince me why muslims are bad, and why i should hate them. i also see the same pattern with americans. they will try to convince you to hate a certain group of people, whether it's china, north korea, cuba, or venezuela. i find this to be a very annoying characteristic. it's bad enough they are hating anyone at all, but then they gotta get others to join in on their hate. i wont disagree that muslims also hate jews, but it isnt the centre point of their conversations, and they will rarely bring it up. while not all americans are hateful, i find the nastiest ones usually are american. even though i am american myself, i find myself most cautious around americans. i feel that i need to sus them out first before i open up to them. on the other hand, when i am associating with arabs, indians, orientals, africans, etc, i don't particularly feel the need to put up a defence. also i would like to say that i am an atheist, so i dont have any religious biases.

Re: american

(Anonymous)
i have traveled all over, and been treated very well as an american. i was waiting for the bus in france at 3:00, and was talking to a guy. he only knew a few words in english, but basically he said that the next time i go to france i can stay at his place for free. if you think thats a joke then get this. i met a french man at a beach in scandinavia who invited me to his house in france and germany i stayed there. i also stayed at his friends house in france for free, and his friend didnt know me from howard the coward. and no, none of them were gay.
now you talk about american imperialism as something that people hate, but i can tell you american imperialism is something that people love, and respect. america is a leader and when america talks, others listen. when america says jump, they say how high. look at all the alies america picked up after the viet nam war. you would think that since america needlessly invaded a country and slaughtered a few million people for no reason that people would be disgusted by america. wrong. this also goes back to what i was saying before about america convincing others to hate a group. that time it was communism. now it's muslims.
the respect for american imperialism is everywhere and widespread. in asia, we have japan, a long time right wing country, and pupet of the usa. it is no secret that japan loves everything american and will support every policy america ever makes.
australia supported and fought in the viet nam war, and iraq war. they also host numerous military exercises in queensland. american aircraft carriers dock there all the time and are welcomed with open arms.
canada. it used to be that americans would tell liberals to go to canada. if we examine canada a little closely, we will see that canada is in fact the 51st state, and stephen harper's views are very much aligned with george bush. canada has been very supportive and vocal about americas war on teror.
america has sparked a right wing movement accross the globe. it has paved a road for racism across europe. before you disagree, ask yourself this. have you ever seen so much hatred towards muslims in europe prior to americas little crusade? country after country, we are seeing traditionally left wing countries move to the right. the netherlands, like canada has jumped in on this war on teror. the netherlands used to be liberal, but now they are as fascist as anyone else. they have changed their immigration laws to keep foreigners out. who would have ever thought danmark would become socially conservative. they used to be the biggest recipients of refugees. now they have troops in iraq. the danish govt has changed its marriage laws to keep foreigners from marrying in. even sweden has gone to the right. france is another place americans used to tell liberals to go to , but their leader sarkozy is a right wing man who is americas lap dog, along with tony blair and gordon brown. we don't even need to get into americas influence on britain, because we can safely call it the 51st state as well. in italy, the roma are fingerprinted, despite being citizens. this is no surprise as italy is led by berlusconi, right wing extremist, and america lover. now my question is, if everyone hates america so much, why elect all these leaders that are in love with america, such as chancelor merkel of germany.
now you can complain about america all you want, but at the end of the day, america is being rewarded for its imperialism, not punished. no matter how many innocent people america kills, people will continue to love america. maybe the world is twisted and it's not americas fault.

Re: american

(Anonymous)
Wow...are you perpetualing the most negative American stereotype to impress people over there? I agree, we do have hateful/bigoted people...in America...but we have all kinds. You portray others as good and Americans evil...very black and white. Hmmm....you're the rare educated American...the one who is so not like the hillbillys who spawned you...right? We're all racist haters...but you...you are the bright light...the one who sees our wrongs...did you get your patch and secret password into the club? I hope so...it must be hard being the only enlightened American. You're so sophisticated...I grew out of that in college...I realized that I hated foreign flicks/anything with subtitles...I actually would rather see The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. I have also traveled through Europe, Middle East, Latin America, Polynesia, and the U.S....I speak 3 languages....most of the people I met in Europe only spoke 1...and I never felt the need to pigeonhole my peeps to impress anyone.


Not Ignorance

(Anonymous)
Since the beginning of the U.S....fighting the British....gaining independence...no one thought we would survive as a nation. We did...and surprised Europe...but it didn't lessen their condesending attitude. They were still more powerful. It isn't just the U.S. that is effected by this...it's all of the Americas...except maybe Canada. We were just a bunch of peons, mixed, slaves, natives, colonials....no one of any worth. America stayed pretty isolated until the WW...we created our own sports, movies, music, etc.

I'm not saying we don't act like creeps or do stuff that we shouldn't. We aren't perfect, and we are a touch greedy.

Europe should mind its self righteousness...they seem to forget all the horrible things that can be laid at their door. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

So, with that....Americans prefer to live in our own world, and I think people resent that...but with the attitude that Europe doles out...is it any wonder? I think a lot of times we do stuff just to be contrary and piss Europeans off...it's childish. If Euros lightened up a bit...it would be cool.

We come off as overly patriotic, but you guys seem so cynical and grumpy. Our outlook and way of interpreting things is so different....I don't think we can genuinely understand each others feelings and/or intentions.

Whos the individual that made the comment about the US? Shes from the UK

by the comment.

I state to those practicing - When you can control yourself and the seen

around you, Maybe that which controls you will make you believe you

control it/ them.

You live in two worlds. Willing to pay the price for ignorance?

response to ghstdtnee@yahoo.com

thanks

American Media

(Anonymous)
I was in the US Military serving abroad and noticed a despairing difference in the media reported not only by other countries but also by the US military and by the media reported domestically. This has led to my refusal to watch the domestic news, especially any type of media reported that is backed by one political party or another. Ignorance in some cases is not bliss...

Hi From UK

(Anonymous)
Having visited USA many times what i was shocked was the lack of knowledge outside the US.There was people who believed UK had no immigration,no crime and all had butlers LOL!

I blame the media which is very insular in the US.The only foreign news was about Iraq/Afghanistan.

I had no clue what was going on in Europe.At least BBC shows worldwide news

Have you forgotten

(Anonymous)
Have you forgotten: America was the free place to which Europeans who felt oppressed by their overburdening governments fled? I was one of them as recently as 1987! Pity that the US Congress has recreated in spades that from which we fled!

Have you forgotten The Kaiser, and the horrors of WWI which was fought merely for the "PrIde of Princes", and America's support of the right side in bringing an end to that?

Have you forgotten Hitler, and Mussolini,and how America saved Europe's ass from a century of potential horror?

Now it is your turn to save America from its mistakes. The education system in America is appalling. They waste time on non-subjects. They dumbed down the system to give nignogs a passing grade. But the health care system is the elephant in the room. Value your nationalised health care systems, as that is the only way to control the cost. The free market cannot work as there is no law of supply and demand as the value of health care to a sick person is unlimited. Convince Republicans of that and we will have a quorum. Nationalized health care is inevitable and the sooner the US adopts that, the sooner things will start to mend.

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