From: seraphimsigrist	Date: November 18th, 2003 04:31 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	hate

well on the whole, given the dominant
position of america in the world now
and the very substantial power for the
last century, I should think what is the
more surprising and perhaps unparalleled
in history is how little hatred
there is for America...
this not intended as argument really but
as a counterpoint or even complementarity
to the thought that there are people who
do not like America very well.

	From: vexen	Date: November 18th, 2003 05:26 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: hate

USA's only been unparalleled-dominant for sixty years, (and for some of those Russia was seen as a second superpower), just wait another hundred years and I suspect it'll be hated just as bad as the European colonnial powers, the Roman Empire, Genghis Khan... etc!

(That made me think... could I list "The Vatican" in the same way?)

There's actually an interesting book I've been on the lookout for (although I'm not going to have the chance until Feburary as I'm going away for 3 months to a place with no libraries... or Internet)... "The Rise and Fall of Nations", which is a look at the similarities between... well, you can guess.

	From: seraphimsigrist	Date: November 18th, 2003 05:58 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	history

well as to the vatican the thing of it
is that in aspects of its history and reality
it really has followed the idea that
the first is the "servus servorum.."
and it is then of course that we may
recognize the voice of the Fisherman...
and in other moments of course there
was Caesaro-Papism which led Dante
to the two poles idea in de monarchia
positing post of Emperor and of Pope...
it you are learned in Tarot you will
perhaps know Tomberg's discussion of
these posts in his meditations...but
I am rambling...
so of course it is not of the same order
really yet I would say in the Popes in my
time(which is a while) have been better
statesmen than almost any world leaders...
and also for the most part having the
servant's heart...
but I am runinng on...
as to rise and fall... I think the excitments do
us little good perhaps and Stephen Daedelus
in saying "history is a dream from which I
am trying to awake" is no doubt also
unbalanced but corrective...
these tangential
+Seraphim.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 22nd, 2006 10:37 am (UTC)		(Link)
Re: hate

Amo mi país, y la gente que es tan irregularmente contra-Americana es las estúpidas. Ella es apenas celosa a que ningunas cuidan sobre su país estúpido. ¡- un americano que habla ocho idiomas, así que el chinga usted!

	From: hiddenpaw	Date: November 18th, 2003 05:21 pm (UTC)		(Link)

You driffed in to why people think americans are dumb as well as why people hate the US. I think in that area you missed an important contributing factor. TV Improted from america. Yes in this sense America is very much a victim of it's own success.

Firstly untill recently the majority of the most popular shows from the states were comedies. American comedy normaly work on the pricple that most of the casr are either outright dumb of mentaly unbalenced. This forms a large part of our view of ammerica. Then you have the most popular show from america to star actual real people Jerry Spriger. This gives us the impretion of what "Real Americans" are like. Deep down we know it's biased by the fact that sane sensible americans arn't dumb enough to get involved but the image pressented by the show slowly digs in to the subconcious as being what real ammericans are like. The nexted biggest show invloving real americans? I'm guessing it's Cops which means the next biggest amount of air time the US public gets is hnded over to criminals.

No wonder we think the Americans are thick

At the end of the day we also have the thing at the moment where it's cool to make alot of noise against the war but speaking out for it in public will get you socialy exscluded. I know one person who when asked by a bloke with a TV camra if he supported the war said no but when asked by a private polling firm said yes. I will not give his name as he may not apreciate it.

	From: megadog	Date: November 19th, 2003 12:05 pm (UTC)		(Link)

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 8th, 2006 04:54 pm (UTC)		(Link)
I understand justified anti-Americanism

I understand the jealousy factor. A lot of Americans can't stand California since it's so quick to let everyone know they are the most economically powerful state. Californians are arrogant. Americans are arrogant, and so are Europeans. It comes with the territory. Everyone hated England during their empirial period.
Americans don't hate anybody. We might make dumb jokes about people of other nationalities, and they do the same, but we don't understand that, after WE were attacked and OUR PRESIDENT made the decision to invade Iraq, there's suddenly all of this maniacal hatred of America. It's like Europeans or anyone for that matter wanted what they believed in their mind to be a legitamite excuse to hate the USA, and that was the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Our president is a spoiled rich kid who was at a time the first son and many Americans strongly believe he won the election illegally and that he knew prior to Sept. 11 about the attacks but allowed them to happen so that he could invade Iraq and seize nuclear weapons his father sold to Saddam Hussein in the eighties in promise of political gain. Americans aren't entirely idiotic. Just Bush-Loving, Fox News watching red necks who don't listen to reason are. Are in America, there are plenty of those.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 8th, 2006 05:08 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: I understand justified anti-Americanism

I live in the south, were everyone is dumb and prejudice. My family is originally from Boston, and I have two sets of grandfathers who LOVE George Bush. I just don't understand why some Americans have this mentality, "America is the greatest country in the world. Jesus loves us and no one else!" I was raised to love this country, but now that I enter my late teens, I realize what a lie it all was. George Bush is a pig and deserves to die like one. I'm sorry, but if he's going to invade a nation that had NOTHING to do with Sep. 11 and while innocent women and children die, he's living a life of luxury with his fat daughters and the his wife (I assume if she were to ever start thinking for herself, he beat her into submission and show her that men are dominant) He's the same as Hitler or Saddam Hussein: He has no regard for human life, it seems, and he lies and tries to gradually take away our freedom (a womans right to choose?) and his opinions are to be opposed on everyone. The country is in a horrible state. Education sucks, healthcare sucks, and then Fox News. Sometimes I wish, hope and pray that it was the Fox News building and not the twin towers that went down. They're nothing but Pro-Conservative/Christian/Rebublican etc. Propaganda Network. It's disgusting to realize our leaders are lying, corrupted pigs and there's nothing intelligent or compassionate people can really do about because Bush WILL NOT listen to other opinions. I'm a Christian, but not a fanatical one, and it utterly repulses me that this man would guise himself under the vail of Christianity. This country IS NOT a Christian nation, and I just want to beat people who think America is defined to one religion. I mean, that is what makes us different from everyone else.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 8th, 2006 06:07 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Maybe America's reasons for thinking of the English as nothing but rotting-toothed alcoholic/ erratic drug abusers is because of English imports like Absoulutely Fabulous, portraying drunken, yellow teethed English women calling eachother "Dahling" in an arrogant tone every ten seconds. But then again, America is made of many many different types of personalities, and it would be unfair to generalize the English. Maybe you're the idiots because you're watching the television shows and believing it. IT'S A FUCKING TELEVISION SHOW.

	From: hiddenpaw	Date: August 8th, 2006 10:17 pm (UTC)		(Link)

erm... That was kind of teh point I was makeing in the first place. It's most of what we get to see of america. so that's the image that pervades. When there is no other image being deseminated it is the image that gets in to peoples minds.

TV is powerful stuff. Being from america I'm sure you understand that.

	From: felissa	Date: November 19th, 2003 10:41 am (UTC)		(Link)

Just wanted you to know I enjoy reading the things you have to say. It helps to have outside resources with actual intellegence/insight.

Thankyou >^__^<~ *purrrrrr*

	From: vexen	Date: November 19th, 2003 11:43 am (UTC)		(Link)

*smiles*

Thanks!

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 27th, 2003 01:56 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Ignorance

Sorry Vexen, but I hate Americans, loathe them in fact. Wasn't always this way, but the more contact I've had with them, the more I've come to hate them, their greed, ignorance and sheer arrogance are all disgusting and intolerable. Made the mistake this year of going on a boat trip as the only Brit with 11 Americans, thought the kind of people who would go on a trip like that would be a bit broader minded and more intelligent, but sadly was proven very wrong.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 27th, 2003 02:02 pm (UTC)		(Link)
American TV

During my time in the US (a couple of months) I could never find anything intellectually stimulating to watch on TV, unless it was a British import.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 8th, 2006 05:17 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: American TV

Sure there are. Educational documentaries are on all day long on the History Channel, a favorite of mine. You can watch autopsies or surgeries on the Discovery Channel, what documentaries on andigionist tribe cultures in Africa and the Americas, or you can watch MTV and TRULLY understand why people hate us. I watch MTV and I hate America, too. I watch E! and I hate America. I watch Fox News and I want to start killing people. It's just naturally human.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: March 15th, 2004 08:30 pm (UTC)		(Link)
A shame.

Such a good report. This is by far the most decent report there has ever been on anti-americanism. If I was to show this to any of my European friends, they would simply brush it off, never giving it a chance to get them to think differently. It's hard being American these days, but well worth it. While I dont think the United States and EU will ever truly respect or appreciate each other, it's good to know there are intelligent people out there making reports such as this. God bless you, and thank you for this. - Nic P.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: July 10th, 2005 09:26 am (UTC)		(Link)
Anti-American Feeling within the UK

Firstly I'd like to apologise to all Americans on behalf of the UK for the distasteful and immature postings on this site. I am born and raised in the UK and agree that there is a certain amount of anti-American feeling amongst its citizens. Like any nation we do have a disagreeably large amount of ignorant people within this country and it is always these ignorant few who seem to feel it necessary to voice there unjust and unfounded opinions. In mild defence of our ignorant masses however I do feel there their warped opinions are developed (as stated in an earlier post) from the US tv we receive but predominantly from our own media, who do like to jump on the stereotype bandwagon. Newspapers like the Sun, the Mirror... in fact any UK tabloid newspapers certainly don't help suppress anti-anything feeling amongst the 'sheep' (look at continual anti-german, anti-french etc. etc. etc. jibes). If it sells, they print it. And unfortunately, the ignorant buy it. It also doesn't help that the vast majority of UK citizens rarely meet and actual Americans. There rare few most people in the UK will bump into will be tourists... and any nation judged on tourists alone is likely to fare very poorly. Especially the UK! But to quote Robert Browning, 'ignorance is not innocence, but sin' and unfortunately when it comes to ignorance there will always be more sinners than saints!