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New Years' Revolution
I've realized...

Well, first of all I know I have many beautiful, intelligent, amazing and wonderful friends. I've realized that I haven't been grabbing these friends by the balls and pro-actively going out and having good times.

My last years' resolutions, although heartilly inspiring, were not entirely fulfilled, mostly because I've set into stone my new career which is massively more important, but in general I done good.

My single new years' resolution:

Become a model of pro-active energy
Carpe Diem!!


This means carpe diem baby! It means travelling to see my friends instead of leaving it to random events, which, however nice, are not frequent enough. It means making things happen more, instead of slowly seeping my talent into the world methodically and cautiously, I'm going to engage the world with a pro-active embrace, valuing my friends and loved ones as the heart of the Vexen empire; from which stems as always the roots of enlightenment, improvement, progressiveness and stability: Fuelled on love and the search for peace.

This is the end of the gradual-influence, Mr. Nice Guy Vexen, and my Year of Fire, of You Will Hear From Me, especially socially. The problem with Nice Guy Vexen is that you never really knew what I wanted... from now on, from yesterday, I'm immediate, direct, therefore stronger in new ways. Vexen Version Three is dead!

In some ways - personally, inside my life, introvertly, I AM pro-active and energetic... but, the Age of Fire is the age where the world changes and purges and old, traditional, stagnant, barriers break in order to form a world of change and no-messing-around, no chains-of-the-past.

Long live VV4!

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From: [info]sunflowerinrain Date: January 2nd, 2004 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Please don't attempt to grab me by the balls. Or the hair. Other bits, fine, no problem :)
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 2nd, 2004 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
I might nibble, but any grabbing will be of suitably padded areas, for safety reasons, nothing to do with being typically male!
From: [info]sunflowerinrain Date: January 3rd, 2004 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah well, I have suitable padding so that's ok.
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 2nd, 2004 05:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Carpe Diem's been one of my favorite life phrases for a long time! >:D
That's right: GO FOR IT. (And come visit me in California. ;))

What's this Age of Fire you're talking about? o.O

:)

ps: some of us don't have balls for you to grab onto. :Þ

vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 2nd, 2004 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Some branches of classical mythology and spirituality seperate time in to two major ages, Age of Fire and Age of Ice. The last Age of Ice started approximately 2000 years ago, which was also the Age of Pisces. Hence why the early Christians chose a Fish as their secret symbol, and selected a fisherman as the symbolic trade of their symbolic leader.

The modern New Age takes this up in particular - most formal religions and spiritual movements don't bother with it. Aleistair Crowley notes that about now the Age of Fire begins.

The beginning/ends of ages are difficult to calculate because it's very awkward to state when a particular constellation has moved from one point in the sky to another, and measurements can vary by up to hundreds of years depending on the geometry of the constellations.
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 2nd, 2004 05:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I thought this last century we were in the Age of Aquarius (which should precede Pisces, right? Or is it working backwards?) I wonder where on the planet they're viewing the constellations, or is the position taken into consideration also using geometry?

(People are still using these ancient ideas??) ...fascinating.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 2nd, 2004 06:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know the details, it's all rather silly! I too have wondered how you take into account your position on the Earth. Maybe that's part of the recognized uncertainty in such systems.
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 2nd, 2004 06:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes. It 'fascinates' me how many people still hold onto ancient superstitions! Sounds like astrology in a way... another system with no real basis since ephemeris books can't possibly be accurate unless they've somehow taken into account the ever-expanding universe. And even then you have to wonder just what the position of the planets has to do with everyday events or people's (or even animals') personalities. ::chuckle:: Hmmmm.
dwagon From: [info]dwagon Date: January 3rd, 2004 02:38 am (UTC) (Link)
i'd very much doubt that the expansion of the universe affects the position of the planets in the solar system relative to one and other to any degree at all - the expansion of the universe just means the stars/glaxies are separating, not the indivudal solar systems of each star...doesn't mean that astrology is any more accurate though, just that you can't really fault it on that criteria :)
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 3rd, 2004 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
This is what I heard from someone studying astronomy, although I can't remember the exact details of his wording; it was years ago. :)
dwagon From: [info]dwagon Date: January 3rd, 2004 02:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
jsut seems a bit odd to me that the universe of the expansion would have notiable affect within a solar system - i shall have to ask some of my friends how do physics, as i'm curious now *smile*
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 3rd, 2004 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I should've been more curious too... now that I think about it. Astronomy is an *interest* of mine but I admit I don't know a lot about it, but would like to learn more. I suppose I could ask my physicist brother-in-law.

Thanks for sparking further inquiry. :)
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 3rd, 2004 03:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
The expansion of space-time itself would not have an affect on the visible layout of the constellations for a long time. Any involving visible galaxies would have most affect, but, as you know most visible "stars" are within our own galaxy. Stars within our own galaxy would not be affected by expansion by any really noticable amount for a long time!

The biggest change that we note during our own history is the inner movement of stars relative to each other, because expansion is not uniformly centripetal, stars and groups move criss-cross, and this would have most affect on astrological charts.

HOWEVER... as there is no "theory of astrology", we do not how if this would affect the accuracy of astrological conclusions... it may be that it doesn't matter, and that this movement and change-of-time of "accuracy" is actually part of the predictive correctness, so that what as linear-minded "sensible" people see as "change over time of consistency of predictions" = "error", they see it as part of the way the whole system works.

Not sure if that was clear, in short:

What we see as "error" in astrological measurements (over time), could actually have no affect because this "error" could be part of how the system works: As we don't know how astrology could be correct, we don't know what factors of long-term relative star movement could affect the accuracy of astrology.
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 3rd, 2004 03:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nope, I don't understand. How can an *error* of predictive correctness still not be considered... error?

As we don't know how astrology could be correct, we don't know what factors of long-term relative star movement could affect the accuracy of astrology.

Okay. Not knowing how astrology 'could be correct' and yet not knowing how long-term relative star movement might affect that correctness still does not add up to a good explanation of why astrology should be considered accurate, uh... begging your pardon. ;) In a way, to me, it still says it's All Bunk.

Prove me wrong?
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 3rd, 2004 03:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

Vexen's devil's advocate defence of astrology

"Error"
1. Because it's not an error, but, the movement of the stars is part of the accuracy of the whole system.

The unkown:
2. No, not knowing how it works means that we don't KNOW that the movement of stars relative to each other within a constellation actually does make astrology "inaccurate".

3.
Imagine a comparison (this may be completely wrong, haven't thought about it yet...). Take the standard maths behind the big bang theory, and assume that it doesn't take into account the fact that any given universal constant (i.e., planck constant) may have changed over time. We may find that the theory is still correct even though this constant has changed, and that the predictions made by the big bang theory are unaffected by the change, because the change is (unintentionally) already "covered" by the methods of the theory, even though no-one at the moment knows quite how.
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 3rd, 2004 03:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Vexen's devil's advocate defence of astrology

Well then, I'm just a crabby ol' stubborn Capricorn. ...mostly. ;)

To my [limited] understanding, the position of the stars in our system is THE basis for astrological predictions. Now, whether or not any variations are taken into account, such as orbital fluctuations/what-have-you, would that not affect the predictions themselves? I think the question was whether universal expansion has any effect on particular systems, and it's a good question. :)

I like your comparison (it's still sinking in). I'm not sure what the big bang theory is trying to predict, except in retrospect--in guessing how it all got started. This seems a bit different than astrology, and I'll need to think on it a little more, and probably do some reading before I can offer any kind of intelligent response, and no guarantees even then! At the moment it seems to be beyond everyone's grasp so we are limited to theories. ;)

And btw, AFAIC (as far as I'm concerned), you can play devil's advocate all you want. :) Sometimes I do it, too. It makes LJ so interesting. :Þ
aspen_fox From: [info]aspen_fox Date: January 3rd, 2004 04:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Vexen's devil's advocate defence of astrology

Dammit. I tried to send you an email but got an automatic reply. I KNOW you're going off two months! I was trying to say "See ya." Anyway, good luck, take care, and know that you'll be missed! LJ's just not the same without you. ::sob::

::smile:: Have fun! :D

Luv ya~


vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 3rd, 2004 04:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Vexen's devil's advocate defence of astrology

Well I still got the email! I set it up just now to do that, but I'm still downloading emails too.

Miss you too *hugs*
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: January 3rd, 2004 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think it would have an affect within a solar system, as I replied to Gail, but I think that some galaxies are actually counted as "stars" insomuch as they appear as a noticable point of light, so those ones would be affected by expansion, but, mostly expansion of space itself wouldn't really be having a noticable affect on intra-galaxy formations, and definately almost never have an affect on intra-solar system formation - many larger factors such as orbit decay would be overriding.
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