From: (Anonymous)	Date: December 13th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)		(Link)
Knights Templar demonic?

Much of the Christian Churches active investigation into the Knights Templar focused on a head/baste "that they worshipped", some historians say it could be the head of various Christian saints, and it may be this that was demonized by the estranged Catholic Church into a demonic figurehead.

" " (my emphasis) A true believer in Christ knows that to worship any other god is forbidden in Christianity, it is even one of the ten commandments. A Christian saint is simply a believer in Christ, certainly not worth worshipping. Thus, this would be a reason to believe the order is not/was not Christ centered/based.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: July 11th, 2005 09:18 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: Knights Templar demonic?

my great great grandfather worked for the templar knights. he was a mason. and i will tell you or anyone ,they were not demonic. their goel was to gaurd documents that kept track of the holy blood line. they believed that mary magdelin had a child of jesus. many people hated them because they believed in treating women equal . but they never at any time worshiped the devil

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 5th, 2005 06:08 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Hmmmmmmm

You are so young looking and handsome too. Hmmmmmmm. I have recently watched "Kingdom of Heaven." It was good and interesting stuff and touched on a period that isn't touched on very often. Perhaps this is because of the skepticism of the Templar. "National Treasure" was good but we all know that besides being a fun flick it was no more than a fable. I have deep roots in Masonry. My grandfather and grandmother on both sides were Masons and Eastern Stars. My great uncle was a Past Grand Master. My mother was a Job's Daughter and I, myself am a Past Honored Queen of the IOJD. From what I can see looking back, today the orders serve nothing more than for breeding. I learned much there about etiquette, and being proper, but it was never really made clear as to what the rituals really stood for. They were God fearing and abiding though - nothing out of the ordinary there - no magick, no satan, no sacrifice. There was a lot of symbolism in there too and being so young at the time (11-20); I never really thought much on it and simply went through the motions. I am going to do some research to figure it out a little bit more. I have been searching the inet and see that there are loads of opinions on the subject. I certainly heed your message of "treading lightly"; as there are misconceptions in play. One thing I will add though is this: In the Masonic Temple where we had our meetings, there were two sacred rooms; a red room and a blue room. We met in the red room and there was nothing peculiar about the place; no bad aura, no funny feelings, it was just a room. But the blue room. Sometimes a friend and I would seek sanctuary from the rest of the folks and we'd end up in there. Oh, the feeling you would get! It was an uneasy feeling. It had an altar just like the red but this had a black altar cloth instead of white. To this day I'm not certain as to what went on in that blue room, but I can tell you that I get "feelings" when in certain places or around certain people and this place had a big aura about it. What that means, I don't rightly know. INTERESTING SUBJECT MATTER, for sure. If you have any thoughts or questions; I'd love to hear them. <luvmylab28@familyonline.com>
~Amanda

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 7th, 2005 12:18 am (UTC)		(Link)
Re: Hmmmmmmm

Most modern day "Lodges",in Europe and Stateside,have nothing to do with the Knight's Templer.Even groups who call themselves Knight Templers,have little to to do with the "warrior knights" of the Crusades.I would advise anyone who is interested in them to study the period of history,after Rome had them disenfranchised and they changed their names to "The Knights of Christ".Start looking at the history of Lisbon,Portugal.I would say that the keeping of documents,that reveal,the said"devine blood line",is closer to the truth,then most "occult"guesswork!
Rome and European royalty grew very jealous of the vast wealth they had stashed.One only has to look at the "Temple",an area in London now famous for lawyers chambers,(I live in London).Or the vast area in Paris with a simlar name to guess at what there wealth once was!I don't mean spiritual wealth here either!
Also despite being on the "Christian"side in the crusades,be open minded when researching the Islamic influence on the said knights.
I think the true Knights Templars would be as close to Islam,as to any religion,IF they still exsisted.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 7th, 2005 05:51 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: Hmmmmmmm

Interesting. I think you will find that at the time several events were taking place. Phillip was broke, he had debased the currancy and was being chased by a mob. He sought refuge in the Paris Temple and saw the strong room and found a way out of debt. The trouble was he had to get rid of the Templars as he knew from past experiance they wouldn't just hand the money over. He needed a plan, and so he turned to his lacky deNogeret. Since they had already discredited one pope and bumped off another, knocked off and robbed the jews, what chance did the templars have? The restas they say is history.

The templars as an order were NOT satanists, devil worrshippers or anything along those lines. They were reported to be in the possession of the head of a catholic saint. This was entrusted to them by an earlier pope. He had given it to them to guard until a suitable cathedral could be built to house it ( apparently this building was finnished in 14something or other and the head was returned). The catholic church allowed and still does allow veneration (and in some cases worship) of certain saintly artifacts, this is of course contrary to the commandment "thou shalt not worship graven images". If you ran foul of the church or one of its' officials this relic worship was turned into worship of a false idol. Hence the accusation of idol worship with the head of the saint. I am not 100% certain but I think it was St.Beatrice?

As to being closer to Islam than Christianity, probably not. Let us not forget that these men were living in an era of devout christian values in Europe. To go against the church was almost unheard of. There are plenty of accounts of Templar prisoners being put to death for refusing to change their faith.

If anything they developed a healthy understanding of the area they were living in. They had to adapt to the way life in the holy land. Islamic forces, christians and jews had been living together for nearly 7 centuries before the crusading era. After the early set up of the Templars and the "second crusade", the templars formed truces and lived side by side with the mouslems. This of course was unheard of in europe. People coming to the holy land could not understand how anyone could allow this peace to exist.
On returning to europe they told how the military orders had "sold out" christianity. Of course what they were doing was adapting to live a peaceful exisitance as they had been taught by the scriptures. Let's not forget that the 3 major religions all have the text of love thy neighbour as you would have them love you" or at least words to that effect.

In the end the Templars had too much power and nothing to do with it. It was feared they may follow the lead of the teutonic knights and create their own state. They basically scared the crap out the french and italian monarchies. They had to go, and so they did. No great mystery at all.
Still it keeps the conspiracy nuts going and will for ages to come.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 16th, 2006 12:20 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Knights demonic hokum

the pentacle was around a lot longer than modern concepts will allow for,it is as a demonic symbol as the pentagon in america is ...or is it?????

	From: vexen	Date: January 16th, 2006 04:29 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Knights demonic hokum

Just because it has 5 equal sides doesn't make it "demonic".

The most ancient pentacles and pentagons in history were used simply to represent the spirituality of man, frequently seperated into the four elements + spirit.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: February 4th, 2006 08:49 am (UTC)		(Link)
Knights Templar devil worshippers.

All I can say is that I have never seen such a poor excuse to perpetuate a lie as this rubbish. The Idea of the Templars being devil worshippers came directly from the smear campaign run by Philip IV and the church, add this to the intelectual deficiancyn gulibility and superstition of the times and hey you have devil worship.

Anyone who was a threat to Philip and his ambition was demonised and destroyed ie the Jews and several other groups who had enough money to bail Philip out of years of debt. True students of history look at this with clear sight not clouded by religion or superstition.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: June 5th, 2008 01:58 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Association & Verification

I am quite confused by the use of the phrase "creation of the Illuminati and therefore the Free Masons". It has been proposed that Adam Weishaupt, who is accepted to have founded an order called the Illuminati, may have been a Freemason. But there the connection ends. Freemasonry long predates the Illuminati, and owes its origins to the Templars, who were most certainly not devil worshipers. Their survival as an order in main land europe, was only possible by the Tutonic order in Bravaria taking in the refugees from persecution (hence the possible connection to the Illuminati later on). Templarism in its true form only survived in Scotland, as Robert de Bruce had been ex-communicated by the Pope, and was therefore not bound by the Papal Bull ordering arrest. The Templars were welcomed in Scotland and settled in what is modern Ayrshire, and there is much evidence of this, and throughout many places in Scotland, if you choose to look. The point of that rant-ish ( and i apologise for it )statement, is to verify that the demise of the templars was a political assassination of a group that had grown beyond the control of the Church. Indeed, the suppression was only ordered after Philip "the Fair" was denied membership to the order, which would have entitled him to borrow of its wealth, so he tried (and failed ) to take it by force. As to the religious doctrine of the order, i can only refer you to the only known surviving "monastry" of the order. Rosslyn Chapel, or as it should be known - "Roslin Chapel"