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"God does not need prayer, religious buildings, prophets, evangelists, souls" by Vexen Crabtree (2004). Organized religion is pandering to secular, humanistic needs in a delusional way when it takes on social roles. Tags: god, monotheism, omnipotency, omniscience, prayer, religion
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: March 30th, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC) |
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In our nature we are good and bad. Much comes from upbtinging , education, parents, friends, etc,,,,,One thing we have in common is we can do good and bad.HOWEVER, as good as we are and how educated we become, we will NEVER UBDERSTAND GOD or His ways., In our own nature we are very limited.
As a believer who has tried various religions and other practices I have come to DISCOVER that truth of God is revealed by God only...Today for those who desire to ubderstand Spiritual ( the way God Almighty meant it to be)//He sent a helper and a comforter to show us..That is the Holy Spirit.To be good Gods way is to follow His instructions, the BIBLE, and it is then the Holy Spirit EMPOWERS us to carry through. This is a truth that shows what real LOVE is all about... And if there is ONE THING this world neesd , it is love....I prefer Gods love as it is the only love that is unconditional
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 30th, 2004 08:25 am (UTC) |
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Ambigous Satanism
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Congratulations on your comprehensive and very interesting website! It is obvious that you've spent much time and effort on this endeavor.
Researching Satanism has made me realize that the concept of Satanism is quite ambiguous, lacks certain logic and is hypocritical at times.
I feel that everyone should thoroughly do their own research before embarking on this adventure to the dark side.
Here's why...
#1 You write:
"Satanism is not a religion, it is the unreligion."
"One of the reasons I became a Satanist was to aid in the giving of religion a bad name (Satanism is a ludicrous example of a bad religion to many)."
yet you read and follow the Satanic Bible and it says:
"Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path."The Satanic Bible, The Book Of Lucifer p52
It is not clear if Satanism is a religion, so already I have become skeptical of your concept of the "truth."
#2
You write:
"Satan is the accuser of all gods and religions, the rebel in the world of theology, and the firm and powerful denial of god."
yet you also say:
"Satan wishes to kill god, and we feel this is a good cause. Given that gods do not exist, we're all already Satanists."
and you say numerous times throughout the site: "Satan is Not Real"
The Satanic Bible (which I have read) reverses anything that is God in both the theory and in practical rituals but if God does not exist, why would Satan "wish to kill him" Why bother saying: "Lucifer is enlightenment here and now on Earth, in Man. Christ, salvation and redemption; the self-love that enables a creative and emotional life are all within Lucifer. Lucifer has stolen 'God's' power and reveals it to us as a new truth: That your consciousness is the light of your life."
The Satanic Bible focuses so much on blasphemy and rituals based on the reversal of whatever is perceived as what Christian God wants/is. How can one hate someone or reverse what "does not exist?" Why do people want to know things like "Which is the most powerful of Satan's demons, and what is their history?" It is said that they don't exist, so why write about them, summon them or focus energy on them?
If there is no God or Satan, and humans may as well be their own Gods, why does the "Church of Satan" name exist? If humans are our own Gods, then why can't we change the name to "The Church of Man" or "The Church of Self God"? Are Satanists conforming to that name, The Church of Satan, just because that name has been around for a few years? I thought satanists did not like to conform?
You write:
"Satanic Rituals are there for good reasons. First of all, science is not able to explain everything, some things are unknown, etc, and a Satanist is not deterred from divulging in supernatural experiments"
Some of these experiments involve summoning Leviathan or some other accomplice. But again, how can one summon or see what does not exist? Why waste energy?
If they really have seen those beings, then they can no longer be Satanists, as that would mean Satan really exists.
Satanists live life to the fullest because they will die and there is no afterlife. Satanists who have seen ghosts should no longer be called satanists since they realize that something does happen when we die and that would go against Satanic beliefs.
#3 You write:
"Satanism is not about accepting people for what they are: We change people. We teach people. We do not want to become inundated with dumb-asses whom we have to spend time coaching them, rather than using them"
and:
"Satanism means "the opposition" and epitomizes all symbols of nonconformity."
Therefore, by "changing people" and "teaching people" you are going against the Satanism rule of opposing conformity.
Just as white light religious people conform to the belief in their God, Satanists conform to not believing in any Gods.
No matter who we are, we all conform to some kind of belief.
FINAL NOTE:
Is it coincidence that Satan supposedly became jealous and greedy for God's power and so God kicked him out of heaven and now this concept of personal and material gain is repeated in Satanism?
You be the judge.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 30th, 2004 08:57 am (UTC) |
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About Free Will
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I really enjoyed your essay: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/god_does_not_need.html and I wanted to make a few comments on it.
The main point I would like to make is: God gave us free will.
This is the reason that He does not "put it in our heads" or force himself to us as that would be going against his Word. We have the choice to believe in Him or not to believe. We have the choice to believe that God is Science, and that we are constantly learning.
You are right when you say some people pray because of self gratification. But some people pray because they want to show God that they believe in Him and they want God to lead them in the right direction. It is a form of communication and showing someone you love them. Of course He can read our minds, but we need to prove our love. Praying does not have to be done in church either. It can be done at home or wherever you wish.
God did not choose to have people start their own religions, that was our choice, from free will. In most cases, humans fight because of how they believe, not what they believe, and that is sad. But again, this is of our own free will.
God sent Jesus to show people how to become close to God, and it was our decision to believe in Jesus' teachings. Some did, some didn't. If God would have forced it on us, again, that would go against his rule of free will. If you were God, would you like it better if everyone was forced to love you, or would it be better knowing that your people really loved and respected you by them proving it with their faith and with their actions and words?
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: November 8th, 2004 07:46 pm (UTC) |
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Re: About Free Will
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You see, it's simple. Prayer is a way of having an "intimate" relationship with God. Yes, I guess, people can be selfish with their prayers. But, guess what, God listens to "selfish prayers", but doesn't answer them. He ESPECIALLY would not answer a prayer to hurt anyone in any way! Any REAL Christian would not be praying to have someone hurt or die anyhow. Remember, He's a GOOD God! Plus, we are not suppose to be praying for a new car, to win the lottery, etc. Christians are suppose to be praying for direction/will for their life (God's that is), be praying for the salvation of others, pray to know God more intimately through His Word (the Bible), pray for others to know His will for them and for God's help/direction in their lives and we are to pray to Him about guiding us to live out God's will, while we are here on earth. So, any REAL and MATURE Christian desires to pray those prayers to God. Yes, God knows all, but He wants us to pray to Him to know Him more intimately, but to show us that He DOES ANSWER PRAYER and desires to Bless us through prayer, which strengthens our faith in Him and brings us closer to Him. It also then allows us to Glorify Him because, when He does answer our prayer, we praise HIM for it. It glorifies Him when He blesses us by answering our prayer. That make us the living example to "unbelievers" that God is working in our lives for our good and God's good. I have been blessed richly in my life by God through my prayers and give Him all the praise and Glory. I love God, and this love strengthens as I become more intimate with Him through prayer and just talking to Him. Yes, God desires that you just "talk" to Him. And, of course, you get to know Him better through reading His Word and praying/talking to Him. God desires a "relationship" with you. You can't do that if He forces you too or you do not talk to Him through prayer or get to know Him through reading His Word. It's just like any important relationship in your life (God being the most important one), you have to spend time with Him and talk to Him. That's what He desires and does not force you to. Gee, think of this way. You say you have a girlfriend. Imagine this, let's just say you FORCED her to be your girlfriend, etc. She would not be happy about it and would, I'm sure, push you away and have no desire to be with you, etc. And, in turn, I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy the so-called relationship either. You would want her to love you because she wanted to love you naturally ... not by FORCE. God is the same! You see, you don't understand God because you do not know Him and have no desire to Know Him. You should not be talking about God if you know nothing about Him. So, until you know God/Jesus, I suggest you stick to Satanism and talking about that. You know Satan well and he knows you well. Stick to what you know. If you hate/don't care/don't believe in God ... DON'T TALK ABOUT HIM! Stick to the subjects you really know. However, I'll still PRAY to God that he breaks the barriers of your heart down and you come to know Jesus as your Savior and guide of your life so you will know and love God. :>:>
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: November 8th, 2004 08:28 pm (UTC) |
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You are right, God does not need "buildings." However, He does desire that his Children (Born-again Christians) gather together to help strengthen each other, lean on each other, and to learn/discern His word. Some may fall into a "socializing" mentality (because we are still human with human desires), but that's not the primary reson God desires Christians to gather together ... it's probably the LAST reason, if it's a reason at all. It is to build the Body of Christ up, as the church (true Christians) are the Body of Christ. On the subject of evangilists ... it's just one of the commands of God to the Christians ... that we are to take His Word to the ends of the earth. We are just happy to listen to God, that's all! Plus, we desire to spead His Good News and help lead people to salvation/heaven by accepting Jesus as their Savior. And any TRUE, BORN-AGAIN BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIAN knows you don't have to evangilize to one person your whole life ... YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!! Evangelizing has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOING TO HEAVEN OR NOT ... ACCEPTING JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR IS THE KEY TO GOING TO HEAVEN!!! DUH! Like I said before, don't talk about things you don't know the correct answers to. You give out FALSE INFORMATION! That's why God desires us to evangelize ... because of people like you who don't know anything about heaven/God/Jesus/Sin, etc. Stop talking about things you don't have a clue about! So, get it straight next time ... TRUE BORN-AGAIN BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS evangelize because they LOVE PEOPLE AND DESIRE TO SEE THEM IN HEAVEN. IT'S NOT FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN! DUH! WE EVEN DESIRE TO SEE YOU IN HEAVEN. That's why all of us Christians get on here ... for that reason and that reason alone. We realize we can't MAKE you believe, but our PRAYER is that you do! We love you with the love of Jesus and just simply desire to see you in heaven and that you come to know and love God. It's TOTALLY UN-SELFISH! Plus, secondly, God commands us to. But all of us do it out of love, a Godly love. So, again, please get your facts straight before you put them in this site. Again, stick to what you know. If you don't know God, you can't talk about Him. Also, if you are not a true born-again, Bible-believing Christian, don't talk about us either ... because you don't know us or what we believe. Stay out of the "letting people know about God, etc." business. You know Satan well and he knows you well. Talk about him. :>
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: November 12th, 2004 02:38 am (UTC) |
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I can't think of a subject.
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If God loves humans so much, why would there be a Hell? A place of eternal, unimaginable suffering?
Eternity is a ridiculously long time to be burning and gnashing your teeth, you know. I can't really see a good God doing that. And if Christians believe in the two eternal afterlifes, why would they ever do anything besides evangelize? If they're putting others first, wouldn't they want to stop all others from the worst fate any of us can imagine? It'd make me feel bad if I were a Christian and ever spent time at the beach or watching TV- you're losing time to save people from torture, right? Torture, forever. I mean honestly, what would 80 years be in comparison to infinite time? And that's why religion is an opiate of the masses. Keep everyone subdued and happy on earth by promising them perfection after death.
And as for the "don't talk about Christians if you aren't one" argument- I just can't find any logic there, as hard as I look. If that were true, don't talk about criminals if you aren't one, don't talk about non-Christians if you aren't one, don't talk about pirates if you aren't one, don't talk about anything besides your self, because that's all you are.
-Blah
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: November 24th, 2004 05:50 pm (UTC) |
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Re: I can't think of a subject.
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First God does love humans, .. He created them. He loves us, but hates SIN (the wages of sin is death), nor can He be identified with sin in any way (can't commune with us sinners, as it would violate His integrity/Holiness). So, out of His LOVE, he sent Jesus, His son, as the ransom/payment for our sins so He could commune with us and have a relationship with us. All we are required to do is confess we are a sinner and accept Jesus as our savior. That's it! Jesus is God's free gift to us so that we may be eternally with Him in heaven. As for hell, there HAS to be a hell. Think of it this way ... here on earth, we have PUNISHMENT for crimes, etc., don't we?? I mean if you commit murder, you, more than likely will either be sentenced to life in prison or get the DEATH SENTENCE, correct? There HAS to be a punishment for sin or God is not just (he is justice). I mean, gee, He gave us the 10 commandments, which is what our law is based upon. You cannot have love without punishment, can you? Let's say you have children (I do). (We are God's children :>). Let's say your son or daugther is constantly bad and continually doing wrong ... are you not going to PUNISH them??? If you don't, then you will have spoiled rotten, bad children. Any GOOD parent always punishes their children when they are bad. And, any CIVILIZED/MORAL country, will always PUNISH their criminals, won't they? Why would God, who created us, be any different? So, that's why there is a heaven and hell. Because God dispenses justice! Aren't you glad He does? And, guess what, you are RIGHT as to Christians continually evangelizing. Yes, we DO feel bad when we get "lazy" about doing God's work! True Christians know, in our heart, that we are to be about doing God's work as much as humanly possible. We still have jobs/bills/family, etc., and God wants us to be responsible citizens and take care of those things, BUT, we are to be about His work continually, every day, as much as possible. So, yes, we do feel guilty when we had the opportunity to evangelize, etc. and did not. However, we ARE STILL GOING TO HEAVEN! Hope this answers some of your questions. My prayer is that you BELIEVE! I certainly want to see/meet you in heaven! :>
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