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Bane of Monotheism: Souls do not exist

If there is a God, it doesn't need souls. Any possible observed supernatural phenomena based around willpower also do need the existence of a "soul" for their functionality. Also, the theory and practical side of the interaction between souls and bodies is inconsistent and impossible. In short, souls do not exist and have no reason to exist.

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From: [info]ic0n0clast Date: October 23rd, 2004 03:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Superb. Now prove it?

vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 26th, 2004 06:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ask a specific question, get a specific answer. There is no proof for souls and as the text points out in a few different ways, no reason for souls to exist. It's not my job to prove anything here.
harlequeen From: [info]harlequeen Date: October 24th, 2004 05:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

How to get hated by Anne Widdicombe

Not that hard really. But I thought you might find this interesting.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 26th, 2004 06:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How to get hated by Anne Widdicombe

It strikes me as strange that it randomly hits the news... the Navy has no "official" list of religions, so I'm not sure who is lobbying for what.

Anne Widdicombe shows her ugly, intolerant and ignorant face again???? What is with her!!!

There's a number of Satanists in the MOD, always have been.
kurtbatz From: [info]kurtbatz Date: October 24th, 2004 08:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3948329.stm

The Royal Navy has recognised it's first offical satanist.

Blimey. I know of quite a few serving right now ^_^ !!
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 26th, 2004 06:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Funny isn't it...
kurtbatz From: [info]kurtbatz Date: October 26th, 2004 07:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
I thought so! Especially in the Mirror that went off on tangents about Satanists 'biting the heads off animals and drinking their blood'.

I should find some of the headlines, they'd make you giggle. Or really cross. Or possibly somewhere inbetween!
ingrownmeme From: [info]ingrownmeme Date: October 26th, 2004 12:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm guessing you already heard about this but here is another news article anyways, it's a bit different from the one on the above links.

British Military Enlists Its First Satanist
October 25, 2004 10:33 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Armed Forces have enlisted their first Satanist after a naval technician serving on a frigate was granted permission to practice his beliefs while at sea, the Ministry of Defense said Sunday.
More...

vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 26th, 2004 06:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Is quite funny... not sure what to make of it. Bits of it are way off... there are multiple Satanists within the MOD, some of us are even open about it.

Hey, you've got good interests listed!... I recognize your name as a long-term LJ friend, are you a philosophy-forum mutual poster? Just wondering.
ingrownmeme From: [info]ingrownmeme Date: October 27th, 2004 01:39 am (UTC) (Link)
My knowledge of Satanism is limited but even I knew the news articles were based on limited research and/or limited copy space.

On Interests:
I've been fascinated with sleep or more appropriately dreaming since I was a child of about eight and learned that I could tell when I was asleep. Since then I've become vivid and lucid, I've deprived my self of sleep till I hallucinated just to see what it was like, I've managed to pull of being 'awake during sleep paralysis'...which isn't really awake and would be very scary if you didn't know what was happening, this list could go on and go into more detail but I'll stop now.

Most people think they have nightmares only once in a while. Truth is that if you can remember enough of your deeper REM states you will find that you often dream things that would be considered nightmare material. The subconscious mind is not a pretty place, often because it's being honest to a level that no one wants to deal with. However if you can get past the fear that these dreams create then you can dissect the dream to find out what your mind wants to tell you. It's not magic, if anything it's like learning to read an extra language that is based more in pictures than words. Everyones dream language is different to top it off, so trying to interpret other peoples dreams is touch and go even if you know them well.

Odd side note, maybe a bit of pride thrown in. People who I spend enough time around often find that even if they seemed to never dream they suddenly find themselves either remembering dreams or while dreaming realizing they are dreaming. Again it's not magic, I often talk about dream stuff and it puts the idea in their mind. Of course if they show interest I will also tell them how to figure out if they are awake or asleep...it's easier than most people think.

On Philosophy and Websites:
I have been a, philosophy beats 'god' based type religions, person for as long as I can remember. I don't post to any of the boards on philosophy though and have nothing that even resembles your website, your website is wonderfully informative. I've thought about trying to make a site, mine would probably be mostly about sleep, dreams and polyamory.

I did try to start a Dead Journal for Saskatchewan Poly's to join. The results were less than pleasing. I got people who wanted another or just a female to join and/or possibly fix their damaged sexual lives...I want one of those T-shirts that say "I'm a Poly, Bi, Switch and I Still Won't Sleep With You!", then I could just point at it and save my voice. I started the journal part way into an unsuccessful attempt to meet local polyamorous people. I could go on at length about what I later referred to as 'educating the prairies one redneck at a time'. I'm still looking but not with as much zeal as I threw into it a year ago...repeated disappointment has taken my edge off. I've failed to find another truly polyamorous person in this city (population estimate 31 Dec 2003 – 205,300).
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 26th, 2004 07:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

The Guardian quotes me!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1335334,00.html

The title of the page and quote attributed to "one web page" is a quote from one of my sites :-)

Is from: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 14th, 2004 03:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

To deny the existence of God is denying yourself life

obviously you had to come from somewhere.
also painfully obvious you deny who He is and therefore deny yourself existence.
how you come up with some of the stuff yo post here is ridiculous but believeable because you dont know the Word of God nor Him.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 21st, 2006 11:25 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: To deny the existence of God is denying yourself life

It is your God that denies people life. Look at the starving children. Look at the murder victims. Look at all the suffering--- you can keep your god he has hurt me enough.
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 4th, 2006 08:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

The fundamental problem Vexen...

Vexen, the fundamental problem w/your conclusions is that "If" a Creator exists{which personally, I do personally see as "probable"-yet not "certain"}is that this "God" must therefore be omnipotent and omniscient.

Now, the Monotheists and Theists may think this of their Deities, but who's to say that a first cause Creator even knows that we exist as a by-product of its Cretion? The possible existence of a Creator or intelligently Creative force does not automatically demand that it is omnipotent and omniscient. It may well be moreso than we are at our current stage or evolution{of course it itself could be in a state of evolution or regression of evolution,who knows?}-but that does'nt make it ALL-so anymore than we are in comparisons to lesser evolved animals than ourselves-just because we may know more or have more abilitiies than some of them..
Then,on the other hand, perhaps we have reached a higher stage of evolution in many ways than said Creator, whilst perhspas in other areas it is more evolved.

This is, of course, all speculation. Though I lean towards Deism and PanenDeism/Pandeism{extensionf of deism}, I make no copnclusions about the Creators or Creative intelligent forces nature or levelof ability. We simply don't know enough{yet}, one can conclude n the personal intellectual level that they think it "probable" that a Creator/Creative force does or does not exist{Deisms/Atheisms} but neither has enough evidences to make any absolute claims; therefore for Deists or atheists/agnostics arguing from the perspective of a one supposing a Creator/deity/god/etc exists to make such conclusions based on the idea that "if" a Creator exists it must be omnipotent and omniscient is a fallacy.

Therefore, your essay saying "God does'nt need,etc, in order to,etc"{in relations to souls or anyhting else} is incomplete logic, for it starts from the assumption that a Creator must be "OMNI"{just as theists assume of their deities}.

Positive criticism, no offense meant bro.

Hail thyself!

In Reason:
Bill Baker
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: March 5th, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: The fundamental problem Vexen...

Hi,

What you say is true, when I talk of "God" I am only referring to the post-Greek 3-Omni version of God. My arguments only really apply to a omnipotent, omniscient god. To get into debating other types of gods is probably beyond my time, although my mind has naturally wanted to write on the interesting possibilities that the existence of non-all-powerful or non-all-knowing gods offer.
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 1st, 2006 03:02 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: The fundamental problem Vexen...

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