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"The Description, Philosophies and Justification of Satanism" by Vexen Crabtree

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Appreciation

(Anonymous)

2005-04-18 06:15 am (UTC)

Just wanted to say please keep writing, keep delving into the mind and reasons to things, your websites are wonderful especially this one. I may not be a Satanist but I do follow a left hand path. There is so much out there that needs to be learned and I am just so glad there are intellegent people such as yourself actually giving a damn to express information in a logical way.

Just keep writing! Never stop...never know whose mind you will get unstuck out of the bullshit. *laughs*

undead_poet@postmark.net

Alter

(Anonymous)

2005-04-30 10:33 am (UTC)

Can you help me anyone please.
What is the correct wall to have an alter facing, some books say it should be against an east wall others say west;

Think about it, consider which cardinal direction means something to you. What do YOU associate South with? South = South Seas = Going Down On a Woman? East = China? North = Vikings & Nordic Gods? Compare the Four Crown Princes, if one resonates with you, choose that one and use it's traditional direction as your orientation! Do it in a way that means something for YOU!

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So, what is really real?

(Anonymous)

2005-05-23 09:10 pm (UTC)

I have read much on this site and found much both interesting and amusing.

But I am still perplexed from a philosophical stance. If Satanism is some inverted nihilism, then is that not some branch of Existensialism? Furthermore, since Satan may not be worshipped as a supernatural being (aka a human construct) why should Satanic principles be considered any better than following the fairies at the bottom of the garden (if indeed they exist).

Although I instinctively gravitate towards a "left hand path" I can only do so on the understanding that the path also gravitates towards me. I therefore suspect that fallen angels are just that! I.e. they are not moral or mental constructs in favour of logical thought and freewill but actual, intelligent entities. That they may not be petitioned in the pathetic way that the loser Christians petition their pantheon of jokers is of scant concern to me. Which team do you want to be on?

And get off the sideline... hiding behind intelligent critique is still hiding.... you will be found in the end...

"man suffers nothing not even unto angels other than in weakness to his own frail will".... Joseph Glanville.

Re: So, what is really real?

(Anonymous)

2006-07-01 01:48 am (UTC)

Ijust come across this web sire. It is very interesting. I just read the comments on LOgic and GOD prepared by Vexen guy. I noticed that there is a guy popped out of nowhere like an angel and presented a very convincing proof that our beautiful universe definetely has a creator. (he is interpreting a collection of Risale- NUR answering all the questions) I suggest you first to read his comments and make a decision by yourself. Now I am suggesting these arguments on logic and God to everybdoy. Even in my deep inside I feel convinced by easing off all my doubts.

take vare

Eric

Excellent Site

(Anonymous)

2005-06-27 07:18 pm (UTC)

Comprehensive, understood, and one of only three sites that have reached a level of depth on the subject of Satanism that is toward a degree of class and aesthetic pleasentness.

No one could misunderstand after reading your entire site, unless they were willing to misunderstand deliberately.

You should mass produce cards with your website for those who don't wish to publicly debate Satanism, so they may just send all to your site for the 'everything' about Satanism.

nice Job. I look forward to updates on your site.


Re: Excellent Site

(Anonymous)

2010-02-06 08:06 pm (UTC)

I think this site explains things thorough enough..I wish I could retain the information enough for when I'm confronted by a servant of god confronting me about something I'm wearing that they object and give them a piece of mind!

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(Anonymous)

2005-07-09 06:04 pm (UTC)

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DPJS

(Anonymous)

2005-07-12 05:23 pm (UTC)

Hey, i've been reading this site for 2 or 3 years now and i'd like to show my appreciation for it. I'm currently 15 years old and this site (of course along with the offical church of satan site) has been of great use to me in developing as a person. For this I thank you,

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(Anonymous)

2005-09-20 08:07 am (UTC)

i too like this site although i want to join boarding school internet is so hard to get around i havent read all of this so far

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Finally a Definitive Satanic Resource

(Anonymous)

2005-07-17 08:57 pm (UTC)

As a recent realiser of the Satanic faith (I despise the word "Convert" as in Satanism it doesn't happen) I'd like to thank you for putting up some of the key theories on your site. It has been a big help to me in developing my own Satanic theory.

Mikhail, London

Re: Finally a Definitive Satanic Resource

vexen

2005-07-17 09:13 pm (UTC)

Cool. I know what you mean about the word "convert", although I do use it myself I know it really only means "realize"!

Vexen, I not only see you as a dellusional, satanic screwball, but also as a murderer of souls, considering the fact that you're teaching people on how to sell their souls to the one evil being, who hates their guts and them personally---AS WELL AS YOU---and wants nothing more than to see them AND YOU to burn with him in hell for all eternity.
Do you actually think that satan gives a shit about you and every other fool who is foolish enough to think that burning in hell is better than going to heaven??
Does that make sense to you AT ALL??

That is like setting your bed on fire----while you're still laying in it.

You have no idea of what you're saying and doing and if you could actually think seriously about your worshiping satan and about what is coming out of your mouth, then you'll realize that you sir, are nothing to satan except for a foolish lackey doing the devil's work and you're being used to do it.
I can't even imagine how terrified you'll be or how loud you'll scream once some tall angel throws your ass into a fiery pit---and if you don't turn back---your screaming WILL NEVER END.

EVER.

If you do not know what are you talking about, it is best to either not talk at all, or keep an open mind and learn about it.

Just something I thought you should know.

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Hello,

As a member of the Cicrle of Leviathan, (The COL, if you don't know what I am talking about you might want to look into that, might be something good to add to your website) I look for other good websites to gain knowledge from, and yours is one of the better so far. It is a very informative website. Good work!


Thanks

(Anonymous)

2006-01-03 03:30 am (UTC)

This has been s great help to me as I am pretty new to Satanism but thanks to your site I'm a bit more "educated" about Satanism.

Re: Thanks

(Anonymous)

2006-01-03 03:32 am (UTC)

Oh and do Satanist really make that hand sign with the index and pinky?

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The Little Satanist...

(Anonymous)

2006-02-27 11:19 pm (UTC)

After reading through your website, I thought you might be interested in my book which has just been published called The Little Satanist.

It's the world's first Satanic bedtime story, inspired by the teachings of Dr. LaVey and the Church of Satan.

If you would like to read a sample page, feel free to visit my site, www.thelittlesatanist.com

Sincerely,

Kurtz

Re: The Little Satanist...

(Anonymous)

2006-04-04 03:17 pm (UTC)

Are you the most stupid person on the world or what?

Documentary

(Anonymous)

2006-03-08 03:59 pm (UTC)

hello, my name is Daniel Hayle and i am conducting rearch concerning a documnetary focusing on religion. the section that i am researching invloves exposing truths behinf the myths of satamism as well as information on how Christinaity 'lied' to turn paganism in to how we percieve satanism in a modern society.
Just enquiring as to wether anyone would be interested in taking part as an interviewee or even just sharing some information via email.

Many thanks, Daniel Hayle - contact - the_pig_destroyer@hotmail.com

Re: Documentary

(Anonymous)

2008-12-07 07:27 pm (UTC)

I would love to take part in this interview Daniel

srpski chetnik

(Anonymous)

2006-04-04 03:24 pm (UTC)

Bogorodice djevo, raduj sja blagodatnaja Marije, Gospod s toboju. Blagoslovena ti v zenah i blagosloven plod creva tvojego, jako spasa rodila jesi dus nasih. I hope you all know what you are doing....

Satanic Festivals.

(Anonymous)

2006-04-12 12:19 am (UTC)

I have an idea... since all the Christian f*cks have all the fun with Easter - surely we should celebrate the 3 days that JC went to Hell? (jst an idea... party every night for 3 days?! lol - sounds good to me)

Regards,

Salem

(contact - email: russian.panda@gmail.com)

Re: Satanic Festivals.

vexen

2006-04-12 01:42 am (UTC)

What has Easter - a celebration of fertility (eggs, bunny rabbits, etc), got to do with Christians anyway?

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talk

(Anonymous)

2006-06-01 09:36 pm (UTC)

just surfing looks interesting. demric@care2.com

Your site is excellent!! I hope those who seek will find this cornucopia of knowledge you have compiled. It took many years of reading books and living life to come up with the tenents I now live my life by, of course this was before the internet so I had to do what I had to do

Hi from Portugal.
I think this is the best site adressing satanism with theologycal, historical perspective and revealing a great deal of unbiased scientific approach leading to the reflexions on it.
I'll continue to explore the site and will be a regular.
Congrats.


Error in philosophy

(Anonymous)

2006-08-29 04:47 am (UTC)

I'm quite familiar with existentialism as I study philosophy in University. The movement came out of a sociological need to understand and appreciate the dignity of the human individual. While I'll say that is a vital aspect to the reality of the human person one must not cling to his/her own individuality, as there is more to the human person than desire...and thank goodness, otherwise life would be pretty stupid.

We have mouths, and brains that allow us to speak. Our body language is hard-wired into our being, and sex, itself is meant to be shared between two people. It seems that biologically and materially, our bodies are made for the sake of communication...which by its very nature is not individualistic; "commun". So if you reject community, or anti-individualism than you must never speak or talk to anyone...I think thats a bit silly, but is a consequence of such extremist views of the individual.
As human beings we have purpose, and it would be otherwise imposible to move and act without that purpose, or FINAL CAUSE, as philosophers describe it. My confusion is that you have ignored all this, and placed purpose in the hands of the "individual will" which is to do and act as one wants for the sake of his/her personal happiness.
I have no problem with a person seeking happiness, infact I think all human beings share that innate desire for happiness (universally), my only problem is, if one seeks happiness, he/she should know what TRUELY makes them happy, yet passions, and emotions change, while our person-hood and individuality does not change. That fixed individuality needs to be descovered, not invented by passion and emotion/desire. For example, a person who "cuts" inflicts pain on his/herself, yet in doing so, is seeking happiness...yet that is so twisted, so it can be that a person can follow his/her passions for the sake of happiness but head in a wrong direction. Some people desire to kill themselves to flee from pain and sorrow, but we know this is irrational and would not bring real happiness.

Also, as human beings we have relationships, but I suppose a materialist would reject the notion of relationship, as it is not manifested physically, beyond a mental state. But I really believe that one who believes that relationships between girl-friend and boy-friend doesn't exist is just lying to him/herself for the sake of justification to act for as you would put it "selfish" (which you see as GOOD), purposes.

I think therefore, that because our individuality and our social beings need to be balanced and not taken to extremes. I'd challenge you who are hurting or have been betrayed, or damaged to think this over. Because that is the only way healing will ever happen. If you blanket yourself with rationalizations you will only imprission unresolved issues within the depths of your being.

This also means, that everyone who feels rejected and betrayed, should not ever been treated like that, as every human being is designed for one purpose or another, and would not exist if he/she was not meant to exist. So, know that you are good, don't throw it away by living in yourself....Try to share yourself with others in friendship and relationship...


Peace - Christophski
You can e-mail me at cpietra@uwo.ca

Question

(Anonymous)

2006-08-29 05:36 am (UTC)

Okay people do not jump down my throat.
My question is, do Satanists ever steal the Eucharist from churches at mass...I've heard that this happens and frankly if its true, I think its quite intolerant of other faiths and belief systems...
But if its not true, I'll be happy.

Re: Question

(Anonymous)

2008-10-29 03:56 pm (UTC)

I'd love to inform you that some satanists do a lot more than just steal things from churches. In Germany, there was a case where a bunch of satanists killed a bunch of small children and ate their remains in a satanic ritual.
It is true they did and do steal things, such as the Eucharist from churches, a lot more than just stealing.
Why the hell do you want to worship an evil entity who hates mankind and thinks of us as nothing more than a bunch of foolish idiots who are stupid and gullible enough to follow him??
His only interest is to drag us to hell with him and that's the absolute truth.
I was once a Pagan witch who didn't follow God and like you, I was lost.
But not anymore.
I would rather live a life with God and Christ, rather not live a life without them.
I sure as hell refuse to worship in entity whose only interest is to kill me and the rest of mankind spiritually. Look at Vexen Crabtree, Satan has him so fooled that he has him murdering souls by teaching satanists to give their souls to satan. Vexen Crabtree is one of Satan's slaves and the sick thing is, Vexen Crabtree actually enjoys being a bitch for satan.
I mean, think about it for a minute, even if you're not interested.
Satan is going to burn in hell because he is the epitome of evil and the bible is the true word, as it predicted the fall of the two tall brothes, aka the two towers in New York, thousands of years before it happened, so therefore everything that bible says about Satan is absolutely true.
Well, I know the truth is not something you want to hear, but I decided to tell you because you asked a question about Satanist do, and so I answered but not in the way you were expecting.
So now that you have the truth, it's up to you of what you want to do with it.

Well done...

(Anonymous)

2006-10-08 11:44 pm (UTC)

Hi, i bet your damn sick of these type of entries, but HELL, i thought i would give you the congratulations you deserve for creating such a site! You have certainly explicated the finer points of Satanism for those who are ignorant in the subject of the only non-spiritual religion...well done and i applaud your "good" work, and long may it continue!

Ave satanas!

L.X.R
.3.6.9.

Intelligent human

(Anonymous)

2006-10-20 07:03 pm (UTC)

LOL....I find most satanists as dumb as the rest of churchianity. They going against thier own creed of the satanic bible, one must be intelligent. If one is hailing satan (which is a hebrew word meaning adversary, and if one is hailing the adversary, it so happens one is supporting the roman catholic church and those spawned by it while also hailing the future revival of the roman empire.) Study your history, language included. Lucifer, on the other hand, is a latin word used to translate the hebrew word 'heylel' which means 'shining one' in english and is used in referance to the king of tyre in babylon. The mark is not '666'. The number refers to the latin words 'vicar of christ' on the popes hat which adds up to 666 in the latin. The mark is the cross. When one faces it (such as in a church), it reflects upon ones own forehead, it is also used in the right hands of those who pray. The cross is not a holy symbol, but rather a symbol of death used by the romans for execution. The image of the beast happens to be the pope for now until the evil ruler takes his seat and the seat of Rome in the revived Roman Empire. Think it don't exist? think again. you all are brainwashed. LaVey is rolling around in hell (which is the grave, sheol 'hebrew' / hades 'greek')

Contact?.

(Anonymous)

2006-10-26 10:10 am (UTC)

I wanna e-mail with those true belivers that satan does exist as a creature.
Henrik Holmlund.
34 years.

Keep up the good work.

(Anonymous)

2006-11-29 10:06 pm (UTC)

I've enjoyed reading your exposition on Satanism. As a Satanist myself, I'm always pleased to see another intelligent perspective on the work of gods and men. I'm also amazed to see some of the comments left in this guestbook! Some unexpected, some rather incongruous, yet others just plain bizarre! What a strange world we live in. Anyway, keep up the good work. There is plenty more for us to do.

Your affectionate uncle,
Screwtape

Re: Keep up the good work.

zephret

2009-10-04 11:09 pm (UTC)

Haha, cleverest comment in this entire entry.

Occultism resources on YouTube

(Anonymous)

2006-12-07 05:03 am (UTC)

1-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmm42JZ1zAc

2-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqTxeszGi9Q

Maurizio
peccinine@yahoo.com

Re: Occultism resources on YouTube

(Anonymous)

2010-05-12 12:10 pm (UTC)

saturnalia verbose, im a new brother of the single star. are u my friend

Satanism/christianity/buddhism

(Anonymous)

2007-01-17 02:27 am (UTC)

On your satanism site it says satanism is more like Buddhism than Christianity...but Buddhism and Christianity both say to forgive and love your enemies, practice compassion, help the poor, and be kind to all living things etc.
Satanism is clearly against ALL of that so in what way is it like Buddhism? I think its the complete opposite of both religions since satanists dont believe in altruism and thats what Buddhism and Christianity are all about...

Re: Satanism/christianity/buddhism

vexen

2007-01-17 10:06 am (UTC)

The foremost evolutionary biologist, Prof. Richard Dawkins (2006) correctly states that seemingly altruistic behaviour is part of all of our genetic make-up; and that holds for both Satanists and non-Satanists. A full discussion of altruism and its causes (by Vexen Crabtree) will explain many of the concepts around the idea of 'altruism'.

Apart from that, you will find that the metaphysics and philosophy of Satanism is closer to Buddhisn than Christianity. The ethics and moral reasoning of Satanism, however, is not the same as either, in this you are correct. But they're not opposites. Satanism emplores its adherents to love, care for, and indulge in the niceties of good relations with other people, all for the sake of having normal mental health, etc, so you're wrong when you say Satanism is an /opposite/ to Christian and Buddhist community values.

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