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Fascism and Satanism

Fascism and Satanism

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Nietzsche, Individualism and Fascism

Hi Vexen,

I am a philosophy student and I appreciate your separation of Nietzsche from what is popularly understood to be Fascism/National Socialism, however the idea that Nietzsche was an individualist is a misperception that can be obtained from a cursory reading of Nietzsche.

You've hit on one of his main philosophical propositions, which is life affirmation. The other is that since "God is Dead", humans have a transcendental imperative. They can and should fill this vacuum.

Nietzsche can be described as a personalist. He did not believe that everyone should be an "individualist", simply because not everyone COULD be an "individualist". In some cases, he clearly thought that a communitarian model could better serve the transcendent cause. He did not believe in the destruction of the communitarian/orthodoxy model but in the subordination of the communitarian/orthodoxy model to the "individualist"/heretic. Of course, the "individualist"/heretic requires a new wisdom to rise to this level (and this is why I've been using the ""), primarily the wisdom of recognizing the necessity of communities, and then also of giving it a directions, the means to an end, the transcendence of the human type.

And there are certainly ways in which Nietzsche and Fascism could intersect, if one for example did away with the neurotic national chauvinism and with its moralistic persecutions, one could achieve something of a Nietzschean Fascism. Most certainly a liberal democracy is as far from Nietzsche as nothing else could be.

From 'Beyond Good and Evil'

203 We, who have a different faith ‑ we, to whom the democratic movement is not merely a form assumed by political organization in decay but also a form assumed by man in decay, that is to say in diminishment, in process of becoming mediocre and losing his value: whither must the direct our hopes? ‑ Towards new philosophers, we have no other choice; towards spirits strong and original enough to make a start on antithetical evaluations and to revalue and reverse `eternal values'; towards heralds and forerunners, towards men of the future who in the present knot together the constraint which compels the will of millennia on to new paths. To teach man the future of man as his will, as dependent on a human will, and to prepare for great enterprises and collective experiments in discipline and breeding so as to make an end of that gruesome dominion of chance and nonsense that has hitherto been called `history' ‑ the nonsense of the `greatest number' is only its latest form for that a new kind of philosopher and commander will some time be needed, in face of whom whatever has existed on earth of hidden, dreadful and benevolent spirits may well look pale and dwarfed. It is the image of such leaders which hovers before our eyes ‑ may I say that aloud, you free spirits?

Re: Nietzsche, Individualism and Fascism

I too am a philosophy student and I say well said my friend.

I will add as a note I find myself intellectually wandering again into the world of satanism. I agree with many of the principles, but I do so as a rational being who values existence. I am my own individual. I value this above all else.

Yet I feel joining any organization in which there is any sense of hierarchy (even only in title) is something that any individualist would need to consider self-defeating. I wish to represent myself, and I would hope that everyone else do the same.

Through our actions we create our meaning and define our identity. Perhaps satanists would agree, in which case we should have coffee sometime.

My opinion on Nietzsche's philosophy and Fascism

Your article on Satanism and Fascism is reasonable, but in my opinion it is still a bit flawed. I would like to unveil some unpleasant facts about Nietzsche's philosophy and most importantly the much overabused buzzword 'fascism'. Since you are open-minded, I hope you would appreciate my contribution.
- According to Eduard von Hartmann (1842-1906), Nietzsche's philosophy is essentially plagiarism from Max Stirner (1806-1856).[1]
- Zeev Sternhell (1935-) et al. state a clear-cut distinction between Nazism and Fascism, dispelling the common lumping together of these two ideologies due to leftist, primarily Marxist propaganda. [2],[3]

- Stanley G. Payne (1934-) in his book "Fascism: Comparison and Definition" mentions some remarkably positive aspects of fascism that separate it from Nazi ideology. [4]

- The words 'Fascism' and 'Nazism' are not synonymous. As earlier stated, the common lumping together of Fascism and Nazism owes itself solely to leftist, Marxist propaganda. Italian Fascism and Imperial Japanese Fascism cannot be equated with Nazism. [5],[6],[7]

- When compared, the ideology of Nazism and the Old Testament show an almost one-to-one resemblance in all aspects. Similarly, Hitler's intolerance of political opposition is essentially comparable to the historical atrocities of the Catholic Church and also to Communist Party rule (all Communist parties explicitly forbids the creation of denominations and fractions). In reality, even within the NSDAP there were oppositions, some of them were not anti-Semitic (e.g. the Strasser brothers)

- The economic doctrines of leftist, socialist economist Thorstein Veblen resemble Fascism to a certain extent. [8]

- Both Nazism and Communism are populist in nature and have appeal to the working class, whereby they have one common enemy. In both the Nazi concentration camps and the Communist gulag, torture through hard physical labor is implemented, and its victims consist mainly of intellectuals, philosophers, businessmen and aristocrats, among others.

- The Nazis' hatred of Jews and the Communists' hatred of the capitalists are comparably similar.

[3] See Zeev Sternhell, "The Birth of Fascist Ideology", ISBN-10: 0691032890.
[4] "Fascism: Comparison and Definition", p. 53-54. ISBN 0-299-08060-9
[8] John Cunningham Wood, "Thorstein Veblen: The life of Thorstein Veblen and perspectives on his thought", p. 312. ISBN 0-415-07488-6.

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