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God never needs to "test" people

God Never Needs to Test Us
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AWESOME!

(Anonymous)
I totally agree! Thanks dude!

Re: AWESOME!

(Anonymous)
You see I believe in Yahveh and I also beieve that he's here with us because he was cast out of heaven reason why was because he didn't like the way that God was creating the universe. He felt in turn that he had a better then God's and he caused a division with the angels. Now the same war that was going on in heaven is now on earth because Eve ate from forbidden knowlegde and Adam followed along with her. Notice that Yahveh lied to Eve the same way that he most likely did in heaven. God created both Good & bad, but that started in heaven when Yahveh did wrong he created a side of God called Adonai.

Re: AWESOME!

(Anonymous)
I would like for someone to answer me!

Re: AWESOME!

(Anonymous)
god is testing us to see which of us is patient good etc
god could have made all of us go to heaven but then therll be no test to see whos pious e.g. imagine i wanted to be a doctor and the teacher passes me easily then the other student will complain that he tried his best and that guy gets in just like that so it wont be fair same with this life. so do wat is good and avoid wat is evil. next there is evil because to test us if there were no evil we would love this life more than the hear after paradise.

from a muslim
"do wat is good and avoid wat is evil"
life is a test for the here after


i hope yu respect my views and not insult them thnx
hopefully yu will here the truth my advise read the quran
yull be amased

Re: AWESOME!

(Anonymous)
i totally agree with you, muslim. because although god knows what we will do he was not the one who made us. and although he knows what we will do we could always change. a person can only chnge the future by sincere prayer. i fell that there is always hope for everyone to open their eyes and hearts to the truth. and i sincerley hope that someday vexen will also for, although a bit misguided, he seeks the truth. i was a non-muslim for many years until recently; when i took a muslim friends advise and read the quran. subhanalaah, my eyes were opened and my heart was finally put to rest. i was really critical at first when i heard that the quran had an answer to my problems. but alhamdulilaah i chose to go against my critiscism.
i advise whoever reads this to open up a quran and read the english translation. i assure you you will be amazed.
i can only pray for those of you who chose to ignore the path of truth for i feel for you. i honestly want as many people as possible to succeed.
thankyou.
from a fellow muslimah
peace
wasalaam

The glass was fill of milk but it did not deserve the milk. So the glass emptied itself of milk and filled itself. Now it had earned the right to be full of milk.

Reason for God testing people

(Anonymous)
God "tests" people to sift out bad tendencies in their character, for THEIR benefit. NO ONE WILL EVER BE PUT INTO AN ETERNAL HELL FIRE!! EVERY BEING WHO EVER LIVED WILL EVENTUALLY BE SAVED, INCLUDING SATAN AND HITLER, THOSE MONSTERS! But they, as all of us (except Jesus, the only perfect being) will be sorely refined and molded by God's firey Spirit first....
Much of the Bible, as we now have it, has been distorted, biased, misinterpreted, etc. down through the ages. I am not just saying this--most Bible scholars are fully aware of the raging debates about this.

God Himself CREATED evil (Isaiah 45:6-7), He doesn't "allow" it--he MADE it for a specific higher purpose (read the book of Job). There is no such thing as free will. Everyone behaves, even Satan & Hitler, according to God's Master Plan. How can we puny beings think that WE have the power (by using our so-called "free will") to trump God's will?! He is the One who created the trillions upon trillions of galaxies like you or I would throw out a handful of sand...and we think we can overcome Him by using our nonexistent "free will"? Does the clay have power over the sculptor? Does the paint have power over the artist?
All the evil in the world was put there by God Himself, not Satan, not man, not "accidents", for a specific purpose. He controls everything that ever happened or will happen, down to the finest detail of keeping every electron spinning in its orbit in every atom, down to sub-atomic particles...and you think we can spit in His face because he "allows" it? No, He CAUSES it!!!! Stick around for a few eons and the reasons will be made clear....

Re: Reason for God testing people

(Anonymous)
And by the way, Vexen, God does not have to always choose "good" (as we think of good). Look at all the slaughter HE caused in the Old Testament? You call that "good?" God actualy tells us in the Bible that He Himself brings evil down on certain people at times. God is the ONLY one with free will....Evil and sin are not the same things. God does not sin (sin is transgresssion of the Law).
Our limited ability to interpret "good" & "evil" is part of the problem, and our carnal (can you say "meat") brains are so full of themselves that we think there are no other possibilities beyone what we have figured out....

re-view your assumptions

(Anonymous)
Have you ever wonder if perhaps not the reasons nor justifications we pose are the issues, but rather our assumption about what or who God is need to be re-viewed? for example, that God is outside time (the 'eternal now' assumption)...consequently possessing absolute foreknowledge.. can something that does not exits (such as the future)or someone who's free be subject of absolute knowledge and certainty...or is there a possibility that this God we all talk about would rather knows the future in terms of probabilities? How could a God who knows everything regret of creating the universe, or feel pain because of our bad choices, I wonder if there is a chance that there exists a residual of sincerity in many of our religious traditions through which a sincere God wants to communicate with us to heal and restore us so we may be more humane and solidary...

Re: God who created us out of nothing can test us as well

(Anonymous)
Then, God created this beautiful Castle-like world for us as a temporary Hostel, our world. Imagine that that there is a very beautiful and marvelous Kingdom and a very merciful king who invites all his people to give them a free castle as a gift to show his mercy and generosity. Since there are so many people, people come to visit the king in turns. The servants place the visitors in a temporary waiting room and they say you will wait for here until your turn comes and the King will accept for you. You will find all the fruit and food ready in your room and a handbook teaching how to use the facilities in that room and some important guidelines. As you figure out yourself as well that room is our world, a temporary waiting place to meet God and God will give us again a another world upon our good deeds. The grace of God of second world which will be much better if you compare a waiting room to King’s the gift a brand-new castle is the place where we will go. In this place where we will go, again God will provide anything for us we cannot reach out in this world; Eternity, beautiful houses for each person, various food and fruits we ate the similar and better ones in the world, no sleeping, no call of nature, no sicknesses and no dying – living for ever and the most important thing is that we will see the justice is done for innocent people.In paradise our body structure will be different but we will be in the same image. This world has got thousands of curtains - reasons – of God’s creation, blessings. Of course God could have given us eggs and milk directly in this world, but, as a test requirement, without showing the answer, God created animals as reasons to serve us while we will have them in Paradise without any curtains, reasons. That is, serving will be much better after this world, which God states this fact in Qur’an that in paradise, there are many wonderful surprises for believers that even they cannot imagine. The surprises are beyond their imagination. This is where will go. This world like is a place of test as well for those who believe in God without seeing HIM. So the believers who believe in God deserve a reward. In other words, the most merciful and most compassionate God with all blessings in this world, trees with their arms like branches , the best servants, cows with their milk, chickens with their eggs, bees with their honey, and other blessings, our body with our computer like brain, digestion system, blood veins, our heart, the best brand camera, our eyes and our memory with a finger nail size where we store a lot of information and images, can also create a better world as a reward for believers where they will go after this world. This is where we will go. If we look at the white face of winter, we see no fruits and no grass and no flowers. But God with His Mighty knowledge and wisdom like turning over a page on which there is a picture of winter to next page where a picture of spring appears, does create the grass, flowers, and fruits out of the winter every year, similar to resurrection, dry and dead branch of a tree blossoms in spring with flowers and its fruits. In the same way, God will demolish the our existing winter-like world - since we will die at the end so will the world - and create a new spring as forever world where there will be no death and there will be different and much better rules and much better engagements in that world. This is where we will go.
In brief, we are a like a traveler who started our traveling started from the world of the spirits – God created our spirits first and later the world – to first destination, our mother’s womb and then we went on our journey arriving to our second destination, the world. And as all the journeys are bound to finish, our journey will finish when we go on to the final destination, the second world, the paradise where we are destined to live forever.

Omnipotence makes no sense.

(Anonymous)
I think the arguement stated on the site says the test is pointless; you just said the destination has already been chosen...so why not just skip this life, and go there immediately? Why do we have to endure anything other than the perfect bliss of Heaven? God isn't benevolent, because there would be no pain in the world. He can eliminate it instantly, but choses to see it inflicted on people. If he can't eliminate it, he is not all powerful or omnipotent, but has sever restrictions on his power. And who imposes these restrictions on God? Is it the same person who told him he couldn't just redeem the people of this world, but told God he had to sacrifice his only Son to do it?
Life also can't be a test if God is omnipotent; it means he already knows what we will do and say. You said it yourself, we have NO free will at all, because he's so powerful. That mean Paedophiles, Murderers, and, puzzlingly, non-believers, or those who follow the wrong religious path, must also have been created by God. And he KNEW what they would do, be it commit murder, abuse children etc. And their victims were created with his full knowledge that they'd be abused, tortured, murdered etc. At it's worst, you arguement that God creates everything, and rules and controls it all, and that there is only his will and no choice within the individual, means he makes people rape children. I don't want to worship that God.
In addition, don't think that because you're a Christian and believe in God, that you will go to Heaven. You had to CHOOSE to worship him. Since you have no free will to make any decision in life, you havn't passed a 'test', or picked the right path. You only worship God because he 'programmed' you to do so.
Also, why are people born in countries which have no concept of Christianity? It isn't fair; because they didn't worship the Christian God, they had no chance of going to Heaven. But could they Worship the Christian God if there was no opportunity to learn about it? And you can't say that proves it's our job to spread the word, because God's already decided in these cases his religion WON'T be there, if he is indeed omnipotent.
If God only has will, it is a good thing in a way. I can't go to Hell. No-one can. I can do anything I wish, absolutely anything. It isn't my free will, but God is making me do it. I can't then be punished in the after-life, because God controls my actions; essentially, he committed my crimes or attrocities through me. To then say what I did was evil, I should go to Hell makes no sense, since I didn't have a choice in the matter.
If you believe Humans have no free will, that we are 'puppets' of God, You must believe that every evil act; those that contradict the 10 Commandments, the murder of Christ, Rape, torture, everything is, essentially being commited by God through people. He knows full well that it's happenening, and, in fact, made it happen in the first place. He will then send his will-less puppets to Hell because they broke the rules he laid out in the book, even though God was controlling such people from birth.
You also can't criticise what I'm saying if God is omnipotent; If we're all just puppets, God knew I would write this. In fact, since he created me, he's making me write this. If you criticise me, you're criticising God.

God And His People

(Anonymous)
One thing that everyone says is that God made the religious laws. If God thinks that these things are wrong, then why is he the only man(kind of) that can break them. Every religion has a God which can kill, drive people insane, start wars and change what is right and wrong etc. God is either not real, really stupid or playing a trick on us all. Most religions, such as Christianity are about helping others and never yourself. Christianity actually takes most things that are fun and says that they're evil. What about if everybody takes care of them self rather than everybody else? Then everyone would be happy. I think that if God was real, then he wouldn't believe that his laws are right, maybe they made by religios men trying to impress him. I believe that when I die, God won't judge me on whether I have sinned or not. He will judge me on whether I'm a good person or not and if I try try to do the right thing. There are some people in this world, such as myself who sin, not because they want to be bad, but because they have thought about things and found out what they believed was right or wrong. There is no praise of intelligence in the bible as far as I'm concerned. Nowadays everyone loves violence and thinks that their physical strength can solve all of life's problems. Back in ancient times, the human race was smart. We are now dumb. Are we going back in the evolutionary chart? People (no, not just Christians now) always say that if someone hits you, you should walk away, that's the way children are taught to live. WWII. People are glad we won that war, but they hate Hitler. We were just as bad as him. However I do hate him for his racism and of course the Holocaust. Children who grew up in world war 2 learned that violence was the answer. People now think that physical strength is more important than intelligence. People are now not only violent, but dumber because of that.

Re: God And His People

(Anonymous)
By you thinking, why do you have children...why not just make them perfect adults? Carry it further and why have anyone live at all. It is the gift of life...the journey, and the adventure, that is where the value is held.

What a person does with their God-Given gift is their choice. It is no more simple or complex than that. God is all and you are part of God weather you like it or not. You must quit whining about life and start enjoying it's gift...as you had no say in aquiring it. That, my friend, is God and it is beautiful.

It would be such a boring, meaningless world under your thinking. All perfect all the time. Or all evil all the time. Whichever you choose to be the flavor of the moment.

There is only good, evil is man-made...it is your false perception and short-sightedness that makes it so. You do not see far enough to see the good that you believe to be evil. There is no Devil only God.

The knowledge of God is ALL and you are part of that knowledge -- like it or not. Everything must be expressed...good and bad. There is no distiction between the two in God's eyes. It is all the expression of that which God wills to be done...and God will everything to be done. "Thy will be done." that, my friend, is your job. Doing God's will (freely of course). You have no obligation to do anything...but you know what it is you should be doing and that is your path. Using your talent, whatever it may be. Apparently your talent is the questioning the negative concept of a God and God's existance. That is your purpose here on earth. God will not, or could not hold it against you, as you have expressed what it is you were made to do. I believe it all ends when all expression is complete. Since that is an impossibility -- existance will always be infinate. God always was and always will be. You always were a part and always will be. To question God's plan or intelligence in itself is futile. It is like one cell of the brain believing it is the whole brain. Everything is a part and the plan is perfect. You look at death too short sightedly. As we are spirit there is no death. So, the "apparent" tragedy you see is but a blip in time...not even worth mentioning. But, the voyage through the ages is unquestionably purposeful and impossible for a person only working with one brain cell (so to speak) to comprehend.

man up

(Anonymous)
it isnt about not testing because he knows everything.... God doesn't test us to prove a point. he tests us so WE know where we are under God. If he never tests us, than what do we know about it? God isn't the one taking the test!
with that being said, the reason we get into heaven or not is because we live our life through the different tests that are put upon us. If we fail a test, it may be in our nature to try so much harder to pass the next test! If we succeed in it, we get that much stronger and the next test becomes a little harder.... the tests are to bring us closer to God in our relationship and walk.

if we did not have any tests to become closer to god and to know him more, we would all be at the low low low level of not knowing how to "pass a test." At that point we are all vulnerable to satan and his temptations and then we would all go to hell for not being able to withstand it! So to say that god doesnt need to test us is all wrong because if he didnt ever test us, then we would never be growing or going to the places god wants us to!

Think about Job in the Olde testament. If God had never let him be tested, satan would win! Read the story and think about what would happen if Job lived his life without him being tested and then think about how your tests have made you, YOU!

http://www.manupforjesus.blogspot.com

ONLY GOD...NO DEVIL

(Anonymous)
I must add one more little piece of the puzzle. There is no Devil! God is the one power...to say there is a devil would be to say God (the only power) has allowed a devil...that is rediculous. You are part of God...always have always will be. The devil is a man-made fictitious character. Just as many of the beliefs people follow which they claim must be adhered to as it it "Gods" command. Those rules and beliefs are man-made for control and nothing more. It's silly to think you will only go to heaven if you believe in Jesus...what of the people who never heard of him...they automatically go to hell...nonsense. Wearing a turbin or dressing in certain clothes is certainly not an order from God. Making women cover their faces...just another example of man-made rules based on control. All religion is based on control...controlling beliefs and lifestyles by the use of fear...fear of God...when the only thing in this world that shouldn't be feared is God. Fear poeple who put power in illusionary devils...that are self-created. There is nothing that should ever be feared...fear is just a lack of faith.

It makes no sense to have hundreds of man-made religous beliefs...those same beliefs are responsible for most of the "tragedy" we see in the world today. The fight for who worships the correct God. We all have the same God...too bad people have yet to realize that and abolish religous doctrine and dogma. The sooner we realize we are all one...part of one God...there is no separation...only the lack of realization. You are God's child, so to speak. You are an unaware infinite being on a timeless journey...enjoy it...after all it's a free gift to you. Do you remember doing anything to earn it? Then appreciate each day as the gift it is.

ONLY GOD...NO DEVIL

(Anonymous)
I must add one more little piece of the puzzle. There is no Devil! God is the one power...to say there is a devil would be to say God (the only power) has allowed a devil...that is ridiculous. You are part of God...always have always will be. The devil is a man-made fictitious character. Just as many of the beliefs people follow which they claim must be adhered to as it is "Gods" command (as if God were a dictator...how could one even think that one up?). Those rules and beliefs are man-made for control and nothing more. It's silly to think you will only go to heaven if you believe in Jesus or Allah, for example ...what of the people who never heard of them...they automatically go to hell I guess...nonsense. Wearing a turban or dressing in certain clothes is certainly not an order from any God. Making women cover their faces...just another example of man-made rules based on control. All religion is based on control...controlling beliefs and lifestyles by the use of fear...fear of God or the devil...when the only thing in this world that shouldn't be feared is God and the belief in a devil. If you feel the need to fear something, fear people who put power in illusionary devils...those that they created themselves. There is nothing (no exceptions) to having fear of anything...fear is simply a lack of faith.

It makes no sense to have hundreds of different man-made religions and religious beliefs...those same beliefs are responsible for most of the "tragedy" we see in the world today. The fight for who worships the correct God. We all have the same God...too bad people have yet to realize that and abolish religious doctrine and dogma all together. The sooner we realize we are all one...part of one God...there is no separation...only the lack of realization. You are God's child, so to speak. You must become aware that you are an infinite being on a timeless journey...enjoy it...after all it's a free gift to you. Do you remember doing anything to earn it? Then appreciate each day as the gift it is.

Follow the laws of the universe...these laws are always the same and never change...ever. Give to receive...many people don't understand this...they believe they must hold onto the little morsel they have to keep it...when, in fact, if they could bring themselves to give that morsel away (from their heart...not expecting to receive)....they will receive much much more. You can't give without receiving...it is a law. Just as precisely as the universe operates...so does this law. In fact, one might say it is almost greedy to give...as you receive so much more back in return. Believe and trust in the laws of the universe...they are the only stable laws we have. The only laws that are the same universally. Ask, believing you shall receive, and it will come to you...your thoughts are things...and they come into being. Sometimes very quickly, sometimes in time...but they are always coming to you. God's vault is unlimited...don't limit yourself with your thinking. That is the true meaning of faith...asking, and knowing it is coming from this loving universe. A universe that is at it's knees to please you... Let Go and Let God is another great law. You must trust God/The Universal law to give you every gift and dream you can imagine...it's all there for the asking.

God never NEEDS to "test" people

(Anonymous)
YUP! God does it to show all ... angels, devil, and every human being who ever lived that:

HE is totally fair, precise, and with a wonderful demonstration of patience, love, and justice:

and

YES

WE all will evaluate Gods' fairness and BOW down to HIM ...

whatever our destiny afterward.


The principle is the full cup: Once you have been given the chance to "choose actions contrary to God" and "fill your cup full" ................ "party's over folks"

YOUR PARTY .... and mine ... is all over ... BYE BYE

God will show....... HE rules because HE is the significant one ... and the creation is far far less!

It is only deep hidden and powerful human pride that cannot "see" the obvious. ... been there ... done that.


written by SRINI, V. M.D.

a non denominational christian in the americas

Wow

(Anonymous)
No one here understands what this guy meens do they. He meens that god would have to be evil if he excisted. Think about this.... God would have to design every single part of the humans and all other creatures and therefore he would know if eve would have taken that apple because he had to make every single thing. Think of it this way... God is a programmer and is making a new game so the programmer would know how good you would have to be to get to a place on the game and he would know if the player would suceed in the mission. He would also not just be able to leave out certain parts of the game like have no floors so you couldn't move or something so god couldn't create so that eve has her own choice of what to do because he would have to make her choices of what to do.

Hope that you have read my comment and that you find it very inspiring.

P.S i'm only 14 years old

That's a good attempt to describe the main issue, thanks, and keep thinking!

The non believers will be sorry when the end comes. You will know the truth then.

Because your "good" god punishes people for having the wrong beliefs? I'd rather suffer for eternity than follow such a injust god.

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