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Biblical Christianity Denies Free Will
The Christian Bible specifically states that free will does not decide our fate, and argues in particular that our choices do not matter; those that do good things to specific good things pre-planned by God for them to do, which they are compelled to do without choice, because God says so, and those that are not chosen thusly are purposefully made bad by God. The Bible also argues that we are not allowed to question this state of affairs.

"Biblical Christianity Denies Free Will" by Vexen Crabtree (2005)

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From: (Anonymous) Date: May 24th, 2005 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
You are clueless about God, Jesus and TRUE Born-Again Christians.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: May 24th, 2005 08:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

God WILL save all

HI. Your research is very good and makes sense in many ways. You are in fact perfectly right in many things you say about God, apart from the fact that he is evil. The reason is that you miss out many peices of scripture that shows how God WILL EVENTUALLY save all. The difference is that few are saved in this age, but the rest are saved in the next age, ie the white throne judgment/2nd resurrection/lake of fire. So God has predetermined EVERYONE to be saved, but he has staggered it. Here are a few peices of scripture:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach because we trust in the living
God, Who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe" - I Tim. 4:10.

"... JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world [the whole world] WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9).

We will ALL eventually LEARN righteousness. Now i dont have time to go into too much detail, but i suggest you visit www.bible-truths.com for more information on how, scripturally God WILL EVENTUALLY save ALL.

God Bless mate
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From: (Anonymous) Date: November 18th, 2005 09:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey Vexen-
I really like your website. It certainly incites thought.
I'm a Christian. However, I agree with pretty much all of your thoughts on free-will and predetermination.

The question that I most frequently ask myself in regards to predetermination is "Why would God do that?" Thus far I can think of no reason for God to render men as machines.

1) God would value the choice to follow him far more than a machine that follows him.

2) God gave the angels a choice. Men are to judge the angels. It makes no sense to say that machines are appropriate judges of those who have free-will.

3)Why would God speak about those who do not accept the gospel as "the lost" and why would he rejoice at their returning to him if that is what he had previously decided for them to do?

4)The Bible itself seems to be evidence in favor of free will. Why would God make a book to live by if he knew who would live by what in the first place? Especially taking into account Romans 2:14-16. These verses say that the moral law is written on our hearts. If this is the case it would be superfluous and wasteful of God to make a book about it. UNLESS he wanted to give us a book to help us sort out what we are seeing written on our hearts so that we could make a CHOICE about how to live our lives.

One option that Christians can take is that the verses that are read to prove predetermination should perhaps be read as proof of predestination in stead. For instance it makes sense to say that God being all-knowing knew whether or not we would CHOOSE to follow him or not before he created us.

Now perhaps I am inappropriately interpreting some of these verses which speak toward predetermination. I would say however that there is another option aside from the one I have already presented. This is that these verses were written by men and not God. I have no problem with this.

One may call into question why then I would read a religious book that is written by men. First of all, I would say that the Bible (unlike other religious books) does not claim to be divine or divinely inspired. As a matter of fact, it couldnt have, given that it was not written as a single text but as a series of letters. Second, I would say that the falsity of a single sentence or even hundreds of single sentences would not dissuade me from placing value in the Bible given the historical evidence in support of Jesus' existence, death and resurrection.

By the way, I am still learning (and I wish all Christians would be willing to). So I'd really appreciate any comments that anyone has in regards to my thoughts (especially contrary opinions).
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From: (Anonymous) Date: February 1st, 2006 06:03 am (UTC) (Link)

Free Will

We must play the position God drafted us to play and not bitch about trades or raises
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