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Satanism is not Christian

"Satanism is not Christian or part of Christianity" by Vexen Crabtree

The bulk of the text reads:

"Satanism is a different religion to Christianity. It has almost entirely different beliefs, difference sources and a different history. It's usage of words is different to that of Christianity. Satanism is not the worship of the Christian Satan, because then Satanism would be part of Christianity. In order to believe in the Christian Satan, you have to be a Christian. Satanists are not Christians, their beliefs are different. The "Satan" of Satanism is different to the Satan of Christianity. Just like when the Christians say "prophet", they do not mean the Muhammad or Zarathustra, they mean a Christian prophet because the others are not from their own religion. When Satanists say "Satan" they do not mean the Christian Devil. Satanists do not believe that Satan fell from heaven, because that is a Christian belief. There is no heaven to fall from, no God to do battle with, no hell to fall to. These are all ideas made up and used by Christians, and are not shared by Satanism."

Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

(Anonymous)

2005-10-08 03:02 am (UTC)

First of all you have a very intelectually stimulating web site. But to get to the point.

In this section you claim that your Satanism is not associated with the Christian Satan. There is no heaven from which to fall from and no God to do battle with.

My comments are:
You use the Sigel of Baphomet throughout your web site as your symbol. I have researched the meaning of this symbol and have found this:

The three lower points of the star represent a denial of the Trinity.
The two points pointing up represent an attack on heaven.

The Trinity and Heaven are Christian concepts. To deny somehing implies an acknowledgement of it? Why an attack on heaven if there is no heaven to do battle with?

Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

vexen

2005-11-22 02:50 pm (UTC)

Yeah I don't like the Christian-centric nature of it's aggression either, but so be it, in the West Christianity is the biggest religion so it's not entirely inappropriate.

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Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

(Anonymous)

2006-01-11 11:23 am (UTC)

my emai is blueriverheaven@yhaoo.com

Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

vexen

2006-01-11 05:28 pm (UTC)

Listen, the people of the world are spammed enough by Christian superstition. Your post is deleted because it had nothing to do with the question of whether "Satanism" as a religion is part of Christianity.

If you want to debate about Christianity, at least do it on one of the forums linked from a webpage about Christianity: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religoin/christianity.html and please don't just rant, or repeat the basic myths of Christianity, try to say something informative or useful. And, most of all, relevant to the page you're commenting on.

Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

(Anonymous)

2007-08-10 11:55 pm (UTC)

You say that people create religion as a need for themselves to rely on. But you're doing exactly the same thing! You are following Satanism because you can do whatever you want without having to obey any morals. That's exactly why they created evolution too. But neither of you call yourselves a religion, but you both follow practices. And there is no such thing as Christian *SUPERSTITION*. People only join Christianity because of experiences with god. And If you say experiences with Jesus are only an Illusion, tell that to all the people born blind and were healed by prayer, etc...

Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

vexen

2007-08-11 08:13 am (UTC)

1) Of course people create religion; religion is entirely comprised of human writings, human traditions, human ideas, and all religious behaviour has been formed, over time, by the changing habits of Humans. Even if there is a God and it wants us to believe certain things, then, Human religion was still created by humans.

2) My page on "People Need Dogma" says the same thing you are saying; many people do like to surround themselves in symbols, etc (including me, which is why I am a Satanist and not a Humanist) -> see "Satanism is more than Humanism" by Vexen Crabtree.

3) There is a such thing as Christian superstition, I'm afraid. For example, all the hoo-hah about not being able to say "God's name in vain" and stuff like that... such elements of religion are called superstitious. Just because you think its true, doesn't make it no longer superstition.

4) Most Christians I know (two thirds, by census results around Europe) (see "Religion in the United Kingdom" by Vexen Crabtree for detailed stats) call themselves 'Christian' because it is family tradition, not because they've had any mystical experiences.

And finally,

5) Hindus and Muslims both report many healings associated with their gods and beliefs; so are you saying that because these healings occur, that their religion is true? I doubt that you'd say that that was a good way to pick which religion is true! So, it is also not a good measure to gauge whether I should consider Christianity true.

Re: Satanism is Not Part of Christianity

(Anonymous)

2008-10-15 05:54 am (UTC)

to be frank n seeing this post from a "am not an Hindu" perspective i hated the Christian centric approach to whatever you wanted to say. n seriously questioning from a skeptical view,what makes you think that Hinduism is a demonic or a satan-worshiping religion? i really want to know because i am a Hindu.

God did evil, did you know?

(Anonymous)

2011-11-23 05:21 pm (UTC)

I thought this may be interesting for you.

Jud 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

God sent an evil spirit, mmm.... interesting. I wonder how many would know God sent evil spirits between people.

Also what is Satanism then? If Satan is not the word used, why not call it Church of Gnome?

Thanks,

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