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http://www.humantruth.info/porn.htmlAbout pornography. Conservatives say that porn is unhealthy, damaging and causes crime, rape and misogyny. Liberals say that unnatural suppression of natural desires causes all those things. Feminists pour scorn strongly on the sexual objectification of women that occurs in porn and say the result is misogyny and deep sexual confusion of males and females. This page looks at some of these points of view.The conclusion reads: It isn't appropriate or healthy to try and eradicate porn; nor is it appropriate to allow teenagers to immerse themselves in it before they learn how to treat people in a more complex way. Boys need to learn to treat women as they are, not as soft-porn potential, and girls need to know that the models they see lusted after are only shallow, semi-unacceptable caricatures of what it means to be a woman. The liberalisation of the soft porn ethos has gone too far, so that a mass re-education of boys and girls is required. Trash culture has infringed to the point that mainstream culture is no longer sensible, or balanced, and a redress needs to be found. Tags: misogyny, porn, sexuality
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 11th, 2005 08:23 pm (UTC) |
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My thoughts {part 1}
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Very thought provoking Vexen.
I mysefl enjoy porn w/little or no guilt. However, this may be partially do to trying to liberate my own mind from the stifled sexuality I experienced from beeing raised a Christian and getting free from those guilts.
However, I think you do make a strong case for the beeing concerned about the propogation of "soft porn" in our cultues right now. Hardcore porn even isn't as prevalent or as propogated, it mainly is kept from young children and mosr early teens; soft-core porn is all over though and meeses up ones view of the opposite gender{or their own} at way to young an age where they aare not able to reason so well and balance those lusts w/ a view of reality about sex and other human beeings. I believe I've ben able to do so, I generally treat and view most women w/utmost respect as worthy human beeings like myself, and basically always have for the most part.
However, I do think that the emphasis on "women" and "girls" beeing "exploited" is unfair. "seemingly"{but things are not always as they seem}it appears that females ARE more exploited and men more prone to exploiting them. However, much of the porn industry and adult industry is produced by females themselves. Also, I believe that the prevalnece of the ken doll male or the GI Joe male or the muscle bound hunk ctreates a false image in most boys and mens psyches too, the idea that they need to look that way and have a huge penis or they will be nothing to women damages their self-esteem{I was and still am to some degree} myself a victim of that. Girls and womens innocence and self-esteem are not the only gender whom need and deserve advocating and protection.
Also, it seems to me that it is a common misconception that women care less about mens looks than men do about females. Mne can walk around topless but not women in most places.Why? because people assume that women don't lust after mens bodies as much or exploit men like men do womens. I can't count how often I've seen women drool over a topless musclebounf guy the way a guy will over a topless amply bosomed female. Often times women are just better at hiding it; most of that is due to socialization from what I can tell, the women are socilaized to be more lady like and decpetive about their lust and their exploitation of males{or of other females should they be lesbian,bi, or transgendered}.
I have a bit more to say-I'll carry it over to another response after this one.....
Bill Baker
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 11th, 2005 08:25 pm (UTC) |
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Re: My thoughts {part 2}
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CONTINUED from {part 1}....
It seems there are more magazines and movies that focus on the women, but in a sense even they exploit both male and female{"if" they exploit}.
It's a tough issue to figure out, because I've heard women in the biz say that those whom think they are lost little girls whom were sexually abused and are beeing exploited by the big bad male community and libido is disgusting, that they chose the lifestyle cause they enjoy it and get paid damn good money for it{in much of the Porn Biz, female performers are paid more than the male ones}and much is produced by women.
As you said, the image sare harmless, but the culture surrounding them is harmful,exploitive, and plain nasty really. However, I think this si true in alot of cases, but I've also heard of elements of the porn and adult sex industry that are not, and whom protect their perfoermers{male and female} and make SURE that those entering itno it{male or female} want to do it and will not likely have regrets and informthem about the shady underbelly of some elements of the culture. So, it all kinda depends really.
Aside from that, I do think more talk needs to be done, more studies,etc, about the affects on young males{and even adults} of the image portrayed by pop culture of men and the kinda men whomen want{the ken doll prep, and the muscle bound hunk;}which is also put forth by much of the porn industry{often even in the porn that people say focus on the barely legal type barbie dolls; which Bi females and lebians will view just like the hterosexual male}, the male stripping industry,and even in movies,t.v.,pop culture, music,advertising,etc.
I agree that much of the industry is not good, and that sometimes they go out of their way to make sure that their product can be easily seen by kids and the less responsible, or don't do so-but don't care one way or the other either; whereas some however do try to make sure it is marketed to mainly responsible{allbeit horny} adults and out of th reach{as much as possible} from kids.
IF we can make sure that adult sex industry is produced and handled responsibly by responsible adults, I see nothing wrong w/it. But, the concersn you placed forwards are ones that I myself do share, and I thank you for putting them forth because all people{especially if they have any hedonistic tendencies} need to contemplate deeply these concerns and issues and re-think their position on it. You have helped me too w/youressay, so thanks.
In Reason:
Hail Satan;
Bill Baker
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 15th, 2005 11:35 pm (UTC) |
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Re: My thoughts {part 2}
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For many it is a catharsis if they are having a hard time geting sex, they fill their sexual need via this and masturbation, so they don't end up dooing something worse because of the pressure of their natural sexual state.
Yes, many are addicted to porn, but many are addicted to religion/faith/ritual,food,soda pop,t.v.,romance,well...the lost could go on indefinetely.
Anything can be destructive in too much excess, but that does'nt make it bad or harmful in and of itself. Porn in no more harmful/bad in and of itself because "some" people are addicted to it than writing is bad or harmful in and of itself because "some" are addicted to it.
Take the porn from the addictive person and because they are addictive they will likely just become addicted to something else anyways.
But for those of us whom enjoy porn but are'nt addicted{and I'll tell you something, when I was a devoted Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian I was addicted to porn because the psychollogical issues arising from self-condemnation made me look at or whatch it and rent/buy it compulsively; now as a freethinker into porn I view it or spend money on it from time to time when I've got the extra cash and/or when I really,truly, want to-not from psychollogical compulsion; which makes me healtheir because of such, becaus eof balance and moderation rather than addiction through guilty compulsion}. Anyways, yeah, i cut myself off there and got off topic. Some of us are'nt addicted, and we get a release from it and the masturbation that accompanies it, or some couple find it stimulating and it spices things up for them.
Alot of people in the porn biz really do enjoy it themselves, and if they are practicing safely and consentually and getting paind hansomely for it, why should'nt they, who's it hurting then?
The Porn industry as mentioned before has it's problems, but all industry does, all existence does. So, rather than say something is bad of itself because of such or try to get rid of it, we should deal w/the problems that exist in it.
In Reason:
Bill Baker
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