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Islam in the West

"Islam and the West: Cultural wars, immigration and pluralism" by Vexen Crabtree (2006)

There are peaceful Muslims in the West, and any policies towards Islam must be careful not to alienate or radicalize them. But, there are problems with Muslims in the West. The murder of Leo van Gogh in Holland for making a film that highlighted the role of Islam and the Qur'an in the oppression of women showed us that Islamists are everywhere. This follows from the riots, violence and threats that have left over 100 dead as a result of a Danish newspaper publishing Muhammad cartoons. And before this, the book burnings, shop bombs, violence and mass riots that resulted from Salmon Rushdie's book (and the murder of a translator of it), that examined the life of Muhammad in a non-traditional way. The murder of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn 'for Dutch Muslims' because he questioned the ability of Muslims to integrate into the West shows us that honest opinions, artistic freedom, freedom of expression and intellectual criticism are being challenged by religious superstition again. It is mature and civil to accept criticism without resorting to violence: How can we teach our Muslim populations to restrain their own immoral extremists?

I look at a few methods:

1. Laissez-Faire - Let them come (a failed technique)
2. Alienation, Racism and Intolerance (makes things worse)
3. Citizenship and Values tests for immigrants
4. Citizenshop schooling for all UK children
5. Stricter immigration and security checks: Already in place

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There is little we can do now that will make a difference. The genie has escaped from the bottle. The only option now is (sadly) to kick them all out. Islam is completely incompatible with Secular Democracy, alas.

Yes, that made facinating reading.

I suspect the muslim problem isn't that different from any other radical cult. A few days ago I was walking down Watford High-Street and saw a group of women *totally* covered; I couldn't even see their eyes- and yes, this intimidated me.

The problem is, as I see it, it's a youth culture thing, and it's kind of fun to intimidate folk. Whereas I got into wearing black, dancing at Slimelight and finally finding a place where I belonged - so too have these young Muslims.

You're absolutely right when you talk about alientation, which is one reason why I'm so against religious schools.

All interesting stuff.

Muslims/Islam

(Anonymous)
Why do you defend a "religion" whose plan is to take over the world by violence (Jihad)???? But, "trash" Christianity??? I know some so-called Christians participated in the Crusades, BUT here is the difference:

Christians who did this DID NOT follow the God-Inspired Bible, but the Islamic Fascists ARE FOLLOWING THEIR KORAN and Leader, Muhammod. You better be worrying about the Nazi Styled Islamic Fascists who want to kill Jews First, then the Christians and then all others who do not convert. If you don't believe me, you need to read Walid Shobat's book, "Why I left Jihad." He was a FORMER Palestinian Terrorist. His wife talked him into reading the Bible and he is now a born-again Christian by the Grace of God. Anyway, alot of his book tells and WARNS everyone of the Satan-driven Islamic Nut Jobs and what their plan is. EVERY Muslim from so-called MODERATE to the Extreme (Which only means they are following their Koran to the T) have a plan to take over the world by violence. Their so-called holy book tells them to do it. And this is from a hard-core former Islamic Terrorist from the Gaza Strip. YOU NEED TO READ HIS BOOK. Read it and get back to me. :>

Seriously, come on

(Anonymous)
Please correct spellings. Deists will take this is a sign of weakness. It's "Theo" van Gogh and "Salman" Rushdie.

Re: Seriously, come on

Spellings are corrected.

Not sure why you assume to speak on behalf of all deists though, nor do I know why you are bothered about if Deists consider something 'weak' or not. Apart from that, thanks for the shout.

Re: Seriously, come on

(Anonymous)
I have deistic leanings, I don't see it as a sign of weakness.
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In Reason:
Bill Baker

SEARCHING quran will not help READING QURAN will

(Anonymous)
Hi
I am a muslim.
I read Quran and all those Ayath too that YOU THINK are violent. like 9:5

but have any of you perform SEARCH on it that why it is being said and WHEN it was beings said.

if you not just SEARCH quran then you and READ quran you will get that Quran says that

Allah did not stop muslims from acting kindly toward non-muslims who did not start a war toward muslims.
Allah order me to let non-mulims alone and let them enjoy the good things of life

any way i might not came back here as i am very much bz in other forums answering non-muslims

i ask you (infact request you) JUST PERFORM INDIPENDENT search about Islam

Re: SEARCHING quran will not help READING QURAN will

(Anonymous)
with some corrections
Hi
I am a muslim.
I read Quran and all those Ayath too that YOU THINK are violent. like 9:5

but have any of you perform SEARCH on it that why it is being said and WHEN it was beings said.

if you not just SEARCH quran But READ quran you will get that Quran says the following

Allah did not stop muslims from acting kindly toward non-muslims who did not start a war toward muslims.
Allah order me to let non-mulims alone and let them enjoy the good things of life

any way i might not came back here as i am very much bz in other forums answering non-muslims
so
i ask you (infact request you) JUST PERFORM INDIPENDENT search about Islam

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