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As Jewish Christianity began to develop its own character, Jesus was no longer considered to be just a man. He had a special relationship with god, and was perhaps conceived of by God before anything was created. But he was not an eternal man nor a god. My page on Arianism continues: “Arianism describes the pre-trinitarian doctrine of a holy, but not a godly, Jesus. It is not always adoptionism and not always monotheistic, either. It was defined by a negative principal (that logically Jesus can't be God and still suffer on the cross). If Jesus was God (i.e., perfect), Arians realized, what chance would any Human have of imitating him? Although Arian-sounding theologies existed from the second century onwards, it only became a wide point of contention after the third century. In the third century Origen of Alexandria, the greatest theologian of his time, had declared that the Father was Greater than the Son. This principal was later named after its principal proponent and most articulate defender, Arius (256-336 CE). It was opposed by Athanasius, who became a Nicene Christian from 325 CE. In the Roman Empire, Arian Christianity was supplanted by intolerant Nicene Christianity by the 5th century, but remained the most popular form of Christianity amongst the tribes surrounding the empire, until the 8th century. [...] The eventual victory of the Cappadocian Nicene faith from 380 CE meant that as the Empire collapsed, the Christianity that was left behind was the dark, violent, centralized type that did not tolerate dissent. By the late fourth century, a recognizable Roman Catholic Church had emerged. The doctrine of the Trinity had been created, and the vengeful violence of Nicene Christianity was in full, open, bloody view. Anti-semitism was given its official sanction. The edited Nicene Creed was the only form of belief that was to be tolerated. Inquisitors began reviewing religious beliefs, condemning victims to imprisonment, torture and public execution for failing to believe the right things. This state of affairs persisted and plunged Christian societies into a 1000-year long dark ages. If the Arians had survived the onslaught and been the religion that the Empire left behind, we would have been left with a Christianity that would have left a glowing legacy of Jesus. Instead, the Nicene's violence and intolerance won out, and the 'ages of faith' that resulted darkened humanity from the fifth until the fifteenth century. ”"Arian Christianity" by Vexen Crabtree (2008) Tags: christianity, god, history, jesus, religion
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 27th, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC) |
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hello vexen
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Well done! I read your article and I remember reading something similar in a Times magazine ten years ago. After reading it....I prayed to God to show me the TRUTH. Cause I was really confused about Jesus. Just a few months later after asking God for the TRUTH. I asked Jesus into my heart. I began a closer walk with Him. I would read the Bible and it felt like a breath of fresh air and I literally felt the presence of God when I was reading the Bible. My whole life changed. I was confused by all the different debates about Jesus similar to your article. I wanted the Truth about Jesus. You went through a plethora of history and religeous doctrine even quoted numerous scriptures. That must meen that there is some interest about Jesus. It's one thing to research it and write about the religeous history with your mind. But it is a whole other thing to experience it with your heart
I began a relationship with Jesus in 1995. My whole life turned a 180. Everything about me changed. I was a new person. You can say that I was "born again". The walk that I had with Jesus is percious and I wouldn't trade it for the world. I was really close to God.
Then my love dwindled because I was less on fire as I was at first. It was during this time that I had the encouneter with Lucifer. After the encounter with Lucifer. Jesus had a whole new meaning. It became even more a reality. And even more truth that God really did exist. I never doubted God's existence, because I always felt there was a higher power. But after meating Lucifer. I knew that the God of the Bible was Real, not just a higher power. I don't know why I met Lucifer, but I do know that it states in the Bible, "All things work together for good, to them that Love the Lord." And my favorite is "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknoledge him, and He will direct your paths." Proverbs.
There are a million therories behind Jesus. Every doctrine has there own theory. But there is only one Truth about Jesus. And I didn't want doctrine or religeon. I wanted TRUTH. I wanted the real Jesus, not all these man made doctrine and theology, and ideology, and distorted believes. I wanted the Truth about Jesus. This TIMES magazine article was all about the different debates if Jesus was really God and all this confusion. I got on my knees and asked God, "Where is the TRUTH?" I want the truth. That is all I asked. And I found it. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me."
When I accepted Jesus in my heart and life, I accepted the truth. To be honest all this histroy and nonsense and debating about who Jesus really is caused me great Confusion.
The truth is simple, Jesus is the truth. Plain and simple. As you research more and more about Jesus. Ask God to open your eyes, mind, understanding, and heart to the Truth.
What I truely experienced is not Religeon but reality. It's reality because it is real and not religeon because I don't believe in religeon.
What I have with Jesus is reality. To be honest I hate religeon. It is reality! Jesus is reality and not religeon. When you can say this then you know that God is real, and not to be disillusioned with religeon. I think that God hates religeon. Consider all the wars that have been called in his name. The only war that God really mentions to be called in his name is probably Armegedon. And that was probably decided before the world was made because it is going to be between Good and Evil, God, and Satan.
In conclusion, Jesus is reality, and not all this confusing religeon. Jesus is Truth. Jesus gave us a better understanding of God, because he was the Son of God.
God will have only one question for you at the Great White Throne Judgement, HE will ask you...WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MY SON? Did you ask him in your heart, or did you reject him.
I say all this with Love, and the Fear of God, because I will give account for all these words. God's word are love, peace, hope, joy, and ask God to open your eyes and give you a deeper understanding.
To God be the Glory!
Peace in the Middle East!
Love,
Camelia
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From: vexen |
Date: May 30th, 2008 04:13 am (UTC) |
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Re: John Allee
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Heya, I know who you are after witnessing many bad tempered usenet debates between my crew and yours. Despite that, my leathered compatriot, I don't subscribe to the pointless, counterproductive and destructive inter-denomination politics as much as some others. So instantly, I hope you can either get over yourself and go away, or have another go at writing an introductory message.
You are free to believe whatever theology you think is true, I'll believe what I think is true. Tolerating intellectual dissent was always the first step of mature governance. The judge of who has the better grasp of reality will be gauged by our attainments in the real world, and by the hindsight of truth seekers in future centuries.
No-one has sent me: (you have arrived in my inbox just now), so this engagement is your doing, not mine. I am not convinced that you are *the* Lord Egan (I have seen many heated debates performed under pseudonyms by both the CoS camp and its detractors). Also, I have been around for ten years, it seems that if you wanted to find out who 'sent' me, you should have started looking in 1998.
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