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Vexen Crabtree 2015
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* The word "like" shouldn't appear through sentences with no meaning. So, like, I know a large number of people, like, who do this all the time, like.

Doing this is just stupid, and makes you sound like an ignorant moron. Don't do it. Get a grip of your communication skills!

* The word "me" doesn't make sense in the way many people use it. I don't like it, me, when people do that, because it is so random that it just throws my understanding of what they were trying to say.

* Know what I mean? Is not a rhetorical question, know what I mean? Some people say those four words at the end of nearly every sentence. I have gotten into the habit of, when they say it, actually responding to the question, know what I mean? "Yeah, I know what you mean, I'm in that habit too!". I have no idea why people keep asking me if I know what they mean, when *they* are the ones that appear to have the English problem!

I am not saying that I have no quirks in the way I speak - such things build character - but it seems that many people (encouraged by all the thick people on British soaps, I am sure) employ the above errors without any awareness that they're talking rubbish and making themselves look stupid!

* Don't even get me started on apostrophes. I am on a training course at work where it seems that not a single instructor has mastered the art of basic English grammer. Half the time, they apostrophize plurals (just for the same of it?), half the time, they don't. This is simultaneously poor English (and poor instructing) and poor consistency. Surely you should know that if rules govern English grammar, then the use of apostrophes must be consistent?

Get a grip of your basic language skills!

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The linguistic pedant in me agrees 100% - but picks you up on your spelling.

[It's grammar, not grammer.]

I wrote "grammer"? Thanks for the correction!

Luckily, I don't mind occasional spelling mistakes (it is easy enough to point them out as you did!) because everyone makes them - especially me - it is the systematic misuse of English structure that had been getting to me recently!

Have you been watching Jeremy Kyle? You could totally get wasted on the Jeremy Kyle drinking game.

Like, Me, D'ya know what I mean? At the end of the day...

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Ha ha ha, yeah I do! I would be embarrased if I was presently less tired!

Like, y know, wha'ever...

It drives me crazy ;p

My brother talks like this a lot (the annoying thing is that he can speak beautifully but because he works on building sites he talks like the rest of the crew - and I just had a funny thought, what if they all speak properly but all put on the yeah, right, y know wha I mean stuff for the sake of the others ;) When he says "know what I mean?" I generally say "no, I haven't a clue", just to wind him up...but on several occasions someone has been talking at me and says "know what I mean?" and I genuinely have no idea.

And don't get me started on "like"...don't propose a simile without examples! Ahh!

But it's a sad state of affairs when the instructor can't use the apostrophe correctly!

I know this is a light-hearted post, but I've gotta take you up on it anyway. :P

If it makes you feel any less irked, there's nothing inherently ungrammatical about any of the uses you mentioned. In this context "like" is a discourse particle (like 'um') that has no effect on sentence structure. It gives the speaker an opportunity to collect their thoughts, select the best way of phrasing something, or just express their emotion, without leaving an ambiguous gap that might be jumped into by the other person - so it helps conversations flow more easily. It's also commonly used as a linguistic hedge. It can be jarring if you're not used to it especially since this particular word also has other uses, but in principle it's an entirely common part of pretty much all languages when they're spoken, even in a formal context.

"Me" in this context is a reflexive pronoun; in the 'standard' dialect the word "myself" is used in its place but neither is inherently more grammatical than the other.

"Know what I mean?" is a (contracted) rhetorical question, although you're right that in some dialects it's so common that it's almost more of a sentence-ending particle (like 'ne?' in various languages). It isn't ungrammatical, it's just used more habitually by some people than you're used to (although are you sure you're not just noticing it more due to confirmation bias?).

It's true that apostrophe misuse is pretty widespread, but really that just shows how redundant it's mostly become. The contractions it's commonly used for are easily recognisable by context, and the possessive apostrophe is a useless relic.

You've written about Satanism that the gothic costumes are a way of recognising those stupid enough to make snap judgements about people based solely on appearances. Does it really make sense to judge people by the quirks of the dialect they grew up with, which is at best a very weak indicator of their personality and qualities? Isn't that the type of unthinking, anti-humanist thought process that Satanism wants to conquer? ;)

Especially since by those criteria, there are plenty of people who would judge you poorly. You make spelling mistakes and use constructions like "I done", but we both know that doesn't make you any less clever. <:)

Worthwhile intelligent commentary as always Dresen, and I'm pleased someone with some technical English skills has pointed out a few of the more obscure errors in my post!

"You've written about Satanism that the gothic costumes are a way of recognising those stupid enough to make snap judgements about people based solely on appearances. Does it really make sense to judge people by the quirks of the dialect they grew up with, which is at best a very weak indicator of their personality and qualities? Isn't that the type of unthinking, anti-humanist thought process that Satanism wants to conquer?"
QFT

We should remove the word "like" from the language for a few generations.

Another "fart" phrase I hear a lot in my corner of the world is "Are you serious?" I hear people say that without thinking. As in, "Dude, I, like, just got this great sugar-free chocolate shit from, like, Starbucks, man!"

"Are you serious?"

Naw, I'm just pulling your motherfucking leg.

People don't think before they open their mouths. If only stupidity were painful, we'd have fewer idiots. And a helluva lot less mindless babble!

basic languges

(Anonymous)
you know man, you made yourself an arrogance?
i think you should try to learn an indian languages
and try to learn an indian song with a dance..
from a native real indian.

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