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sunfell From: [info]sunfell Date: November 29th, 2009 03:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey! Good to see you back- I always enjoy reading your new work.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: December 3rd, 2009 04:05 am (UTC) (Link)
:-)
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 10th, 2009 06:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Faith, etc.

I believe in the one and true God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. However, I do realize that everyone does not hold that belief or ever will. My question to you and all who do not believe in any God at all, where do you get your "moral authority" and compass??? If you are looking to another fallable human being for that compass, who do you look to?? If you say it is inate in every human being to be upright and moral, I would debate that with you, as I see only the perpensity for evil, selfish intentions. However, I do believe some form of "conscience" is inate in all humans, but is put there by God. Even when human beings are doing some form of "good will" towards their fellow man, the real inner driving of that is selfish in nature, as it truly "makes themselves feel good." There is a "selfish" intent in their doing good. It is not truly "sacrificial." As a born-again Christian, I still have those "selfish" desires, but I do recognize that as part of my sin nature to please my own flesh. The flesh is truly "corrupted" by sin, even in the most outwardly, supposed "good person." We ALL are capable of murder and perversion, etc. We all have our own "selfish" agenda and our agendas aren't necessarily viewed as favorably in other's eyes either, nor is it their agenda. My point being, is what is good, moral, right in MY eyes, may NOT be the same way you think of things being good, moral, right, etc. So, getting back to my original question, to whom do you look for the moral authority in your life, how can you look to any HUMAN BEING for that??? Well, if you truly examine all "religions," ALL look to the HUMAN and not the true God. As a born-again Christian, I have read the Bible, Koran, etc. and there is no other book like the Bible. As all other ways, religions look to man as the answer. By reaching some goal of human achievement. The Bible, God's Word, does not ever point to the human being able to become moral, good, etc. in any way shape or form, and tells you that you are INCAPABLE of doing so. As your flesh is "corrupt" with sin and selfishness. In the Bible, God lays down the law of moral authority ... if you do a little history lesson, YOUR laws (civil and criminal) come from the Old Testament, which God gave! NOT the Koran or ANY OTHER SUPPOSED HOLY BOOK. READ IT! Deuteronomy and Leviticus, etc. Anyhow, God is Holy and pure, we are not. When born-again, you come to see your sinful nature and when you do a "good deed" or speak of "moral authority," it is NOT MY view, it's God's view. Also, when I do good now, it is with no selfish ambition on my part, I do it out of love for my Lord and do it because He commands me to do so. TRUE Christians, if you do research, are the most giving and caring people because they do it out of a love for God/Jesus and not out of any selfish motivation. So, again, who or what is your compass of life? Hopefully, not any man, and certainly, I pray, NOT YOURSELF.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: December 11th, 2009 01:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Faith, etc.

You asked: "My question to you and all who do not believe in any God at all, where do you get your "moral authority" and compass???"

It is only immoral people who need a "moral authority", and only the morally lost who need a "compass". For most ordinary people, a sense of decency, good upbringing, societal values, and an genetically inbuilt wish to get on well in society, all contribute to good, moral behaviour.

Unfortunately, though, when people start asserting that they know what God wants, and God can't be wrong, then they can easily delude themselves into thinking that some horrendous actions are the correct ones.

  • The Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Weinberg exclaimed about religion: "With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."

  • Blaise Pascal said: "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
So I'm not sure where you get the idea that belief in God is needed as an authority or compass, as in history a great many god-believers have done terrible things.

Edited at 2009-12-11 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2010 07:51 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Faith, etc.

Self sacrafice for anything is silly God dose not reward it in spirit there is no heaven or Hell, just an after life.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2010 07:46 am (UTC) (Link)

This World

We live in a dangerouse world that gets more dangerous daily the ownly thing we can do is to adapt ourselvs to this in an ego way, a mental way, and a logical way and one that fits us and our lifestyle.
We muststeer our self off getting to deep into conflicts others try to put us into.
frankz1306 From: [info]frankz1306 Date: January 25th, 2010 09:14 am (UTC) (Link)

Satan

It is Satan that always held and keeps the bridge to the Human hart those who think this wrong waste there time asking a non Existent Christian God or Sodd for faviors Satisfy Satan he servs to Staisfy YOU most wont accept this and loose OUT: since when dose God ever answer he carnt do the Christians invented him Satan is a real Beaing God is Not.
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