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wruf From: [info]wruf Date: June 2nd, 2002 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wonder if you liked Michael Landy's "Breakdown". The artist that destroyed every single possession he had, in public.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: June 2nd, 2002 03:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know it. But I'm suspicious of his motives!

I hope he kept some clothes, soap... etc! Ew!
wruf From: [info]wruf Date: June 2nd, 2002 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
There was a programme on BBC4 about him. He borrowed some clothes n stuff :) They had to go through the slow process of getting his credit cards again and buying everything new.
empiress From: [info]empiress Date: June 2nd, 2002 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
I still stand by the fact that you are another incarnation of Francis...this entry proves it! ;-) And you always say the coolest things.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: June 3rd, 2002 12:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh yeah... yeah it was a bit Francis-y!

Francis is one of my idols... it's your fault for spreading such nice rumours about him!
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    St Francis Versus Vexen Crabtree!
  • yellarat From: [info]yellarat Date: June 5th, 2002 04:20 am (UTC) (Link)

    *SQUEAK*

    Yellow haz a freind, nam'd Simon, an Otter, who say'z that Yellow *iz* frances of >asesi< becuose of hiz love for Squirrelz etc.

    odd, that

    if Yellow were II become chritian, he would not do so withowt F b~ing hyz p~saint

    BTW, persesionz are cool, u need them >or me doez< II obtain identity, a full one @ least... when u in the mentle health system, no~one will take u seresly enouth II let u gain anything but the most basic >and importent, 'spose< of skillz, won't let u go II college >w\o a fight<, het a job, live 'independently', gain 'normal' freindz >thatz peepz owtside the NHS and again, W\O fight<. therefor Yellow livez in thiz fudged up sheared house~type~thing in one of the more depressing ariaz of St Albanz which iz CST >Comminiy Suport Team< and doesn't make me faver the human race a lot more than prev... therefor, all hiz persetionz >and there are a few, 1000'z of recordz, a dreamcast\N64\mega drive\master system\our >my< living room containz II tv'z and a monitor\sevril billian Squirrelz< are scattered round the building...

    they are me army, me needz them. somtymez peepz need lotz of prosesionz @ some tym in their livez, one Squirrel persumez............
    yellarat From: [info]yellarat Date: June 5th, 2002 04:25 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: *SQUEAK*

    define 'Robot', by the way, and don't b lonely... if u want II b lonely, come round, we can b lonely IIgether;~}
    vexen From: [info]vexen Date: June 3rd, 2002 12:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Silly man :-)

    He should have gave it to charity or to the needy... that type of waste annoys me! Western style consumerism and waste!
    wruf From: [info]wruf Date: June 3rd, 2002 01:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I won't mention the K-Foundation (KLF) burning a million quid as a piece of performance art!
    vexen From: [info]vexen Date: June 3rd, 2002 01:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
    That pissed me off too :-)

    Learning of their exploits makes me think they're Attention-Whores... I don't believe or respect much of what the KLF do!

    They're innovative and individualistic... but they don't do it for me :-)
    orinotta From: [info]orinotta Date: June 3rd, 2002 05:52 am (UTC) (Link)
    i agree wholeheartedly - 100%. read Quentin Crisp's 'How to Have a Life Style'. the only things that are worth acquiring are _skills_.

    but i still can't give up my books or my CDs :/
    vexen From: [info]vexen Date: June 3rd, 2002 12:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I agree. World is transitory, including ourselves... skills are our most long-term asset and least suscpetible to the unpredictability of the world.

    I can't give up my CD's either!
    From: [info]sheshomegrown Date: April 27th, 2004 04:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

    mmm...

    Vexen who are you....
    vexen From: [info]vexen Date: August 20th, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

    Re: mmm...

    An odd question...

    Just a guy, living my life.

    Oh, and preaching a lot too.
    From: (Anonymous) Date: December 20th, 2005 07:02 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: mmm...

    Hey all,
    I was just doing a google on 'possessions and identity' and came across this. Anywayz I moved to China three years ago because I was sick of the rampant materialism in the west and guess what!? It's global! Chinese people used to save every cent of their money for the future, kids education etc., and now these greedy foreign companies are setting up shop and bombarding the Chinese with status driven advertising campaigns. Implanting the idea of 'possessions make your life richer and better so spend, spend, spend.' I live in Shanghai and you wouldn't believe the materialism here ... its billboard city. Even get into a taxi and there are ALWAYS ads on the backs of seats for plastic surgery to improve your appearance so you can get a better job!!! One even stated 'Ache be Happy'. Then there's the case of the business elite here ... you can see the ads on TV ... CHIVAS for the successful business man (a western woman giving some business man a seductive look in a bar because he's drinking Chivas!) So in effect 'Drink Chivas and you can get a western woman (because you're successful and she's attracted by your money and good taste).' Ach! Globalisation = breakdown of cultural values and homoganisation of our beliefs, these corps are setting up a new (monetary)value system to replace what was decent or good in our old systems. The small people just get smaller and the big people bigger. They're spinning the media to manipulate people to buy - buy a better life, a more comfortable life, a successful life - its all about controlling our egos. So if we don't buy into it ... then we're unsuccessful and worthless in society (because society has been brainwashed by their new set of values). So just remember you are not part of this mass culture, you have your own identity, be proud of that because you have in fact more value than money - you have a truely independent mind capable of seeing through the bullshit and lies. Of course we need clothes, but do we need to display designer labels to get attention or admiration? Your character should be what gives you value - not your clothes label. Anyway I'm just giving my opinion. I'd value any insights anyone has to offer ... I'm trying to put together a collection of mixed media artwork for an exhibition (not for sale exhibition!) in a bid to bring awareness to these issues in Shanghai.
    From: (Anonymous) Date: April 26th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

    things to consider

    Dittimar (1992) states that ‘…we make inferences about the identity of others based on there possessions’ (p.1)

    Dittmar (1995) writes ‘…that possessions symbolise not only the personal qualities of individuals but also the groups they belong to and there social standing generally’ (pp.10-11).

    Dittmar (1992) ‘The notion that we express our identity through our material possessions, and make inferences about the identity of others, on the basis of what they posses means that there must be a socially shared beliefs about material objects as symbolic manifestations of identity’(p.11).

    In a study by Dyl and Wapner (1996) Children were asked an open question about why they have a cherished possession. The study found that participants in the 14-year-old, 16-year old, and 18-year-old age group, responded, ‘‘Because it’s part of my life,’’ and ‘’Because it represents me/my identity’’(p.372)

    Csiksentmihaly and Rochberg-Harlton (1999) write that objects have the power to alter our very lives. For instance before the car people had little opportunity to travel long distances, therefore the car meant the expansion of towns and trade (p.14)

    Csiksentmihaly and Rochberg-Harlton (1999) ‘ … the things people use, own and surround themselves with might quite accurately reflect aspects of the owners personality’(p.14)

    Csiksentmihaly and Rochberg-Harlton (1999) ‘…men and women make order in their selves by first creating and then interacting with the material world’ (p.16).

    Csikszentmihalyi, M., Rochberg-Halton, E (1999) The meaning of Things: Domestic symbols and the self. Cambridge University press: Cambridge (p.

    Dittimar, H. (1992). The social psychology of material possessions. Harvester wheat sheaf: Hertfordshire (pp.1-16)

    Dyl, J., Wapner, S. (1996). Age and Gender Differences in the Nature, Meaning, and Function of Cherished Possessions for Children and Adolescents. Journal of experimental child psychology, 62 (pp.340-377)


    Material possesions have there place where would we all be with out the ted that comforted us when we were little.

    I am doing a disertation on car peronalisation and how it effects our identity and came across your sight and thought i would post some points
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