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The Power Of Symbols

"Introduction to Satanic Ritual and Magic" by Vexen Crabtree

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all religions seem ideal and the way satanism is ,is the way i mostly live my life......we all do if were honest trying to be strong and basically treat others the way i want to be treated but even though i am not a christian i feel that wholly saying i accept satan will cast me out of my heaven in my next spiritual plane.so does this make me a chritian.i could never praise satan because i imagine there is some conspiracy behind all the niceness of satanism that will rear its ugly head once iv taken on this being for my god,i think i will continue with my own belief system,...........which is god (who ever,which ever) loves me knows im good and will accept me in my time of passing.i cant worship and pray to something that might be wrong.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/godisdangerous.html

What if GOD is the more dangerous choice? Simply fooled by God, tricked by a very powerful and tricky being, you along with other theists could be the ones who are tricked. You have no way of knowing what God or heaven is like apart from what you believe God itself wants you to think.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/heaven.html

Heaven itself is a rather dodgy idea, so is hell, I think it's safe to assume that as Human beings we have no way of telling how to get to, or avoid, either place, nor even to say they exist.

HELL IS NOTHING THAT YOUR PITIFUL MIND CAN AMMAGINE, THERE ARE WAYS TO GET THERE AND BELIVE ME ITS A PRETTY FUN PLACE! RED COLD FIRE BURNS FROM THE GROUND DEAMONS HAVE A HIRARCHAL SYSTEM, AND SOMETIMES EAWEN ANGELS COME TO VISIT BUT THEY DONT LOCK SO NICE AS THE CHURCH HAS MADE YOU BELIVE. THERE ARE SOM BEAINGS ON THE OTHER PLANES THAT ACTUALY CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO HUMANETY THEY ARE A KNEW CLAN THAT HAS CHOSEN TO TAKE MATHERS IN TO THEIR OWN HANDS AND BETRAY THEIR LORDS(you call them gods).

Re: What if God is the more dangerous choice?

(Anonymous)
It requires faith to believe that God is Good and that he sent his only Son to Earth for the redemption of our sins. As for the comment about God not coming down to say hi. Think of it this way. If God came down in his manifest glory then we would have no choice but to believe and worship. And that is what this life is about. Your choice. You choose to worship God or you dont. It's up to you. It's called freewill. He gave you a choice. And He also gave consequences for your choice.

Re: What if God is the more dangerous choice?

Choices can only be made once you know the facts. It's hardly a choice if it doesn't give us the facts. Given that it's all about "choice", doesn't it make God EVIL if it hides the facts required to make choices?

Your God, dude, has some pretty strange ideas about free will I think!

How can there be "consequences" for not knowing something?

There are hundreds of theorized Gods, hundreds of religious beliefs... are you telling me that I need to research all of them and decide which Gods I believe in and which ones I don't? How would you go about such a task if you were in my shoes?

Jesous as child worn yellow/kaki colours

(Anonymous)
I do beleive the power of God. Although some may think that they are power prone they arn't. A power is a gift that is forceful enough to survive the wrong ways of life, ( I say this because I don't say EvL) If Jesus had supposedly worn white on the cross then they must have bleached linilen then. Sheep must have eaten potatoes and egg whites and mushrooms then - I dont think so!! I know that men love power but to take it from someone who is 1/2 dead nearly than I will have to say that whoever shall play with the powers of Our God shall suffer the consuiqences immediatly.

SADUS! I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU SOR BEEING ON OF THE LAST INTELIGENT PERSON'S IN THIS GOD FORSAKEN WORLD. ALMOST ALL MORTALS THAT I MET HAVE NO IDEA OF OUR BELIEFS AND POWERS. THEY ARE CLOSED UP IN THEIR MIDS THINKING THAT EVRYTHING THEY DO IS RIGHT AND EVRYTHING ELSE IS WRONG WHIT OUT THINKING STOPPING FOR ONE MINUTE TO SHEARCH FOR THE TRUTH IN LIFE, AN TO EXPLORE OTHER POSABILETIES.

PS: PARDON MY ENGLISH, CAUS IM FROM A NOTHER COUNTRY.

dark or light?

(Anonymous)
i dont know... is the light the right way to choose ?if i go to the dark side will i be his minion merly a grim reaper or will i be doin what?

What nonsense..you fellars are just wasting ur time reading those crappy stuffs that the writer typed.You people are the ones who're gonna be living in hell for ur entire life in the second world,dont even dream of seeing or smell the gates of heaven..you peeps made the choice,and now what you're trying to do is understand why you made the choice..just wait till you saw the real satan...hahaha..foolz..

Let me get this right... because I'm the wrong religion, or in other words, because no-one has come up with a good argument that a good god exists, this "good" god is going to put people in hell forever?

Huh?

And *then* you warn us about Satan? I'm not sure who is worse, but the one who has infinite power but can't even say "hi" seems like a bad parent, I'm not sure I would want to spend eternity with such an arsehole!

However, there is no God. Deal with it dude, life makes much more sense once you've realized that.

Re: No God

(Anonymous)
where's your proof that He doesn't exist? I can show you my circumstantial (yet substantial) proof that there is a God

Er, why hold back and not just show me straight away? You want me to ask? The world hasn't found proof in tens of thousands of years, what makes you think *you* have found proof?

Re: No God

(Anonymous)
so this is what you think?...i suppose you each have a right to your own opinion, yes, it is what i believe. He does exist...God that is, of course you knew that already. I would tell you with arrogance and criticism at mind, that even satan himself believes and knows there is a God, otherwise, what would he be fighting against? how would he have come to be, "evil" if there is no "good" in contrast? I dont blame you for your ignorance, nor do i blame your idols, i do, however, blame the christians around you, for not letting you know. just know, sweet vexen, i pity you...sweet prayers i'll dedicate to your name...your sweet blessed soul. a shame it is that you don't know who it is that gave it to you in the first place...all in all...regardless of whether or not YOU believe in HIM, HE will always believe in YOU.
-Whisper

You didn't answer my questions.

You call me "ignorant", then when I ASK YOU to teach me why you think God exists, you don't even answer? Is my ignorance YOUR fault, or will you tell me why it is you think a God exists?

Pity me all you want, but you'll only be a good Christian if you actively help me.

1 Peter 3:15-16 (NIV)
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience"

and

2 Timothy 4:2 (NIV)
"Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage - with great patience and careful instruction"

So, you can "blame the christians around" me all you want, but if YOU'RE any better, you will now explain to me what reasons you have for thinking a god exists. Either that, or you're no real Christian.

"HE will always believe in YOU"
God is all-knowing, it doesn't "believe" anything, it KNOWS. If it exists, it doesn't "believe in me", it KNOWS I exist and it knows exactly what my choices will be; it has no need to "believe" anything. I'm not sure why you use words like "believe" for an all-knowing God. Unless the God you believe in isn't all-knowing, of course.

If you don't sacrifice a mole every week to the Lich King, you will burn forever in acid bathtub country. If I now asked YOU to prove that there is no Lich King, I'd sound like a loony. Belief requires logic or evidence otherwise the belief might as well be insane.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rm.html contains many proofs that God (or at least popular white light gods) is not sensible.

ive reallizd dat derz no god n life still dont make any sense!
ive fuckd evry1z life up, includin mi own, n dont kno wether 2 becum a satanist or stay believin in nothin.

The comparison between the cross and the swastika

(Anonymous)
You cannot compare the cross to the swastika for the simple reason that the cross was not an influence in the design of the swastika. The swastika is the inverted Native American symbol for peace and prosperity.

stupid

(Anonymous)
you are stupid...and if you continue this way you will burn in hell for eternity...may God bless you help you find your way out of the hell you have dug for yourself.

god rules jesus rules i hate satin

Open Your Eyes to the TRUTH

(Anonymous)
Jesus just wants your power and your strength. If you want proof than visit www.FartherFigure.net.uk. I hope you see the truth from now on.



I went to church one day an I saw the Almighty Farther there in fromt of me.Spiritually. No the Farther is not neccessarily the only God in HEAVEN, there are Angels, there are Nymmphs and they are working for the better in our world toghether. Can you see that. Madjic more like . Q is there one Spiritual realm or a warp of spiritual mind that is in need. Has our world become so great that we are blinded by all the lives we see and hear, all the interferences and so on? I know this...I have been without the lord now for just days and I have remembered everything there is to know.
There is one thing missing-is this a test of faith? maybe and there is a good possibility too that it isnt.

i commend you

(Anonymous)
i commend you on the level of intelligence and clarity you have brought to light on the subject of satanism and magic. most people who claim to be satanists say "yeah, i worship satan cuz god sucks and i like to dress goth" more or less. i am currently researching alternative religions and beliefs and found you essay to be extremely informative, thank you for that. i would appreciate any other info if you find time to send it. my email is inkdchaos@aol.com
keep up the good work and continue to battle the war of closed minds and ignorant stereotypes this world is so blissfully lost in!
later
Chaos

Homepage

(Anonymous)
Hi,

I have read your page on God. I totally understand your comments on the struggling we all have on earth here and which I am also trying to find some answers for. If we would take the so called 'Fall of Lucifer' serious, it would explain 'A hell of a lot'. For now I would like to stick to: someone/thing caused us to to end up in this situation and its up to us to prove we are all good inside. Gods totall support (which i can truly testify is in my life at this moment) WILL be there. Please don't try to find answers to all these matters... its just not meant for our brains.

Best regards,

Dave.

Fallen

(Anonymous)
I want to find the names of all the fallen angels....but i fuckin can't
So if someone have them ...i will appreciate to post them here

Religion is fantasy

(Anonymous)
Religion - God or Satan - is just fantasy created by humans. It's created by our shortcomings to understand the mystery of life. Our five senses can't give us an answer and that confuse us, so our imagination create something bigger than ourselves to ally with in a try to become stronger and wiser than we are.
We are surrounded by the mystery and energy of life. We all should try to be the best we can. Life is always about struggle - one way or another!
The interesting part is that all kinds of life need love to survive.
With lots of love, you will become a great fighter, without love, you will die, - one way or another...

I pray that I am ready to answer

(Anonymous)
I write for the purpose of wisdom
I first want to chide the christians I am seeing on here:
brothers I'm seeing too much name calling and empty words:"I hate satan" " you're going to Hell" FLOWING from my comp screen. Vexen is obviously an intellectual and will be won over by nothing other than logic and reasoning 1 Cor. 14:33"For God is not a God of confusion (chaos), but of peace(logical order)"

secondly I would like to talk with Vexen. Isaiah 1:18a"Come now, let us reason together" I apologize for the words of my brothers and would like to put my logic and wisdom (what little I have) to your test. I would greatly appreciate it if you would help me understand fully your opinion of God and Satan, and I would like to compare it to the Christian view of God and Satan.

Re: I pray that I am ready to answer

Thanks, I am mostly offline at the moment because of work, but get online once every few days (albeit on a slow connection).

I am pretty sure there are many verses in the Bible /condemning/ knowledge to match the two nice ones you brought our attention to :p

Anyway, what d'ya want to know? I'm surprised everytime someone comes up with something I haven't already done a webpage for...

let's start with a question

(Anonymous)
My first question is: What are Christianity and the Christian God in your opinion and what do you think the ultimate goals are for them?

For me, God is the King above every thing He has made, Righteous in every way, just, merciful, loving, and so wanting us to be the good people He made us to be Psalm 86:15 "But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness", God Himself came to reach the eventual goal of mankind coming to be with Him forever because He loves us so much John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever would believe in Him would not die but have eternal life", the set of Christian beliefs is the fulfilled law of God as handed down to Moses on Mt. Sinai, and reiterated by Jesus Romans 13:12 "The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.", and the goal is to spread that message of hope that mankind has an alternative to Judgment, and pointing them in the direction from which the hope comes Matt. 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" Matt. 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."

Re: let's start with a question

1. Christianity is a religion, it doesn't have an "aim" as such.
2. The Christian God, in my opinion, is a mistaken idea, but means something slightly different to every Christian.

More in depth:

1. Christianity is a self-replicating coercive belief system complete with moral blackmail, brainwashing, ego-projections (such as God and eternal life), and is ultimately a confused mix of various historical beliefs and stories, bundled-up into 'traditions'. Christians do not know the source of their religion (i.e., how it progressed from previous religions), and most Christians are not actually Christian but merely think they are, simply because they believe in God.

2. God, if it exists, is the evil being responsible for creating life with the maximum amount of suffering and pain possible: Any more, and life would die out. Evidence: The food chain requires life to kill life in order to survive and innocent babies, the unborn and others die in wide-scale natural disasters.

MY goals for the two items you ask about, are:

1. I wish to see organized Christianity destroyed, because the more organized and institutionalized a religion is, the more dangerous it is.

2. I wish to see every know that if there is a God, it is evil and should never be worshipped. (But, more likely, there are no gods).

this take long time

(Anonymous)
I'm am typing out a response but it is very lengthy
so please have patience.

Re: let's start with a question

(Anonymous)
I can agree with most of what you say here.

your satanism

(Anonymous)
Do you think that satan is still a liar, hes just letting you believe that he brings goodness so he can deceive earth and destroy us all, like the original creator God said to us through vision and prophecy. And would you admit that satanists do some sick shit to themselves and others? Be careful because they may care about you, but you should ask yourself what interest it is of theres to care about you.

your satansim continued

(Anonymous)
After reading the posts here, I can see that people have some growing up to do. See, life isnt without pain, nor will it ever be, its there to let us know when were bad, or messing up. If you feel pain, you either brought it on yourself, or its just nature that you didn't accomodate properly, so in the end, its your fault, not Gods, God set you free, satan tells you lies, then ropes you into a mindset, whereby you go finding reasons to hate and recede into darkness, finding yourself even more lost than you were. Because there is nowhere to go, but to be with eachother in peace and party, celebrating life, not wallowing in misery and hatreds of a being you dont even know exists, same with satan. For me God and satan represent mans own inner workings as a whole, overlayed over the movements of the universal bodies (galaxies). Satan in the very end, will elad you to doom most likely as his whole existence was a lie, granted within that existence you can find nuggets of reality to keep you all roped in.. which makes me chuckle frankly. Good luck though, youll need it in the end.

man you are living in uneducated ignorance

Refreshing - but still based upon fiction

(Anonymous)
Its good to not accept what you are told and think for yourself - but you have fashioned yourself another construct that is in fact a varient of the one you reject. While I don't believe in a Satan nor do I condone his worship (any more then I would condone the worship of any other mythical being) it is clear that he is just a collection of concepts/values that you have adopted - from what is attrributed to this being and from what you choose to attribute to this being. Thats fine - as long as you don't go hurting anyone because of (the negative aspects commonly assocaiated with Satanic worship based upon his role assigned by Christians). I understand the apeal of some of the doctrine (I've read Anton LeVay for instance - long ago - and just in general - personal empowerment and freedom versus strict doctrine and obedience) - still if I had to actually worship a counter being (with good pro-human values) I would investigate the true identity of the snake in the garden of Eden (from the Babylonian tales based on the Sumerian) - and I would understand that I would be corresponding to the archetype (THOTH/ENKI/Promethues etc) and not really with some being (particularly one with all the negative connetations of Satan) - if any of that makes any sense. Oh and don't worry about the demons...outside of personal ones of your own making...well there are none...and congratulations for being happy (it helps to be religion free)

Most People

(Anonymous)
Most people with a strong egoistic way are naturally Satanic and for what is Satanic unless there Ego strength is in righiousness , the righthand path often comment how mutch evil is the action of the ego, well thats what satanic in human nature and thats what people are happy with.
The non existent christian god offers nothing as he , it cannot.

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