Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Existence of an omniscient or omnipotent God denies Human free will

Then Jesus said "There was a man who had two sons. The younger of them said to his father, 'father, give me the share of the property that will belong to me.' So he divided his property between them. A few days later the younger son gathered all he had and traveled to a distant country, and there he squandered his property in dissolute living. When he had spent everything, a severe famine took place throughout that country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed the pigs. He would gladly have filled himself with the pods that the pigs were eating; and no one gave him anything. But when he came to himself he said, 'How many of my father's hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be your son; treat me like one of your hired hands." So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him. Then the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' but the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly, bring out a robe-the best one-and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. And get the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; for this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!' And they began to celebrate.(luke15:11-24)

This is an example of how God gives us free will and is still omniscient. In this parable the father represents God and the younger son represents someone who has sinned and moved away from God-there is an older son in the parable too, but he's not important in this discussion. Anyways, the younger son asks the father for his share of the inheritance. No one in the story, father included, forces the son to ask for the inheritance, he ask of his own free will. Also, no one in the story forces the youngest son to leave and take up residence in a foreign land, he does it of his own free will.

In the end of the story the son returns and is welcomed back by the father, who is quite prepared for his return, having the best robe, a ring, and sandals setting out somewhere upon his return. Also, the father interrupts the son and does not allow him to finish speaking, the son is never allowed to say "treat me like one of your hired servants." The father knows what the son will say before he says it.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation1:8)

This is another way of showing how God is both omniscient but allows us to have free will. God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the end. Hence, God created-along with everything else-time. God controls time, he's seen the beginning, he's seen the end, he's seen everything in between. Of course, to be omniscient-all knowing-and omnipresent-in all places at once-he'd have to be in all times at once, also-but you knew that, right! Anyways, we all have free will, and have the power to choose what we do, but God knows what we will do, because he's been there. God hasn't just seen the future, he's been there. Knowing what one will do, is not the same as controlling what one will do.

Re: Existence of an omniscient or omnipotent God denies Human free will

The parable of the prodigal son is not an example of free will. Actually the fact that there is no free will is overcomplicated by most people. It is very simple. All things have a cause. Any so-called choice you think you make is predetermined by previous conditions that are the effect of other causes. If someone tells you to kill your family hopefully you are one of most who would "choose" not to do so. This is not a choice but merely your predictable reaction because you do not want your family dead. Every so-called decision has it's own causes and in your example of the prodigal son he did not "choose to ask for his inheritance but had no choice due to the causes of the famine and all that followed plus many other causes and effects leading up to that point. There are no "random" events. Even the flip of a coin is not a random event since if all the factors involved leading up to the landing of the coin were known then it would be possible to predict the outcome with one hundred percent accuracy. The factors would include but not be limited to the force with which the coin was flipped, the original position of the coin, the angular momentum imparted to the coin, the barometric pressure, the wind velocity and direction, the surface elasticity where the coin would land and on and on. Nothing happens without a reason and all happenings affect other happenings. Actually God is responsible for all misdeeds of humans. He creates them and he knows the future. Whether or not he is in one time or all time at once is irrelavent. When a man fathers a son who grows up to be a murderer, since the father had no way to know this would happen could not be held responsible. However God knows everything so when he creates a human he knows what they will do before they do it. If he is in all time at once then he certainly would know what all a given human will do and he creates them anyway and then sends them off to the fires of hell because they did what he knew they would do before he created them and he created them in spite of it all. This makes him ultimately responsible for everything. God is said to have created all that was. It is said that everything that is did God create. It is said that nothing exists that he did not create. He created the earth, the sun, the stars, the humans, the animals, the Hitlers, aids, sickness, suffering, death, etc. Many have said that one can change the future by making certain decisions. This is untrue for the so-called "decisions" you think you make is not changing the future but is simply part of the future. We all live as though we make decisions but in the final analysis we only will have done what we had to do under the given circumstances.

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