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From: (Anonymous) Date: March 4th, 2003 04:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Online child porn

For the most part I agree with you, we (as humans) do tend to isolate the people in our society who most need help. But I have to disagree with the idea that online child porn surfing is a thought crime only. Children are often put into abusive, degrading and horrific positions for the sake of these photo/video sessions, and their emotional/physical pain is funded by the viewers of these media. The small numbers of people who feel sexually attracted to children and are far enough removed from humanity to consciously act on this attraction, while bad enough (for the welfare of the children involved) are small peanuts compared to the numbers of (there is no other way to put it) ASSHOLES who commit these crimes solely for the PROFITS available from this market.

By no means am I saying that as long as there is no profit involved that this behavior is tolerable, what I am saying is that due to the increased availability of these media, many people who may have pursued lives untainted by the stigma of these crimes (such as your college friend), were much more easily pushed into a life altering mistake. And what do the marketers of this crap care as long as they get their buck.

I will also comment that although it is often true that people are angered by paedophilia due to latent feelings of their own, many are also angered because like myself they are parents of children and see anything that has the potential to harm their children as "the enemy". These people will of course feel justified in their hatred of paedophiles, but I would like to caution them of one thing. As parents, they have brought into being lives that are not copies of their own, but individual life forces with thoughts and feelings often as alien to a parent as any other strangers. They have also made a commitment to that child of unconditional love which should not be broken under any circumstance. My caution is that if you cannot find forgiveness and compassion in your heart for the paedophile, what happens when your child becomes the paedophile? While most parents will feel this inconceivable, the fact that every paedophile was the child of somebody makes this a possibility that any parent might someday have to face, and I hope for their sake and the sake of their child that they have the fortitude to face it as well as you (vexen) did.

Few people have the moral fortitude to face a situation as you did in college and still refer to the person involved as a "college friend". Befriending the friendless is a thought often espoused by "Christians", and rarely practiced, so I have to applaud you (though you may take it as an insult) for being a better Christian than many of those who make the claim. Keep up the good work, and I'll keep reading.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: March 4th, 2003 05:43 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Online child porn

Thankyou for commenting.

What you said about parents makes lots of sense!
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 16th, 2003 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)

Child Abuse

The general tone of your ideas seem to be sound and thoughtful, although I don't really approve of satanism any more or less than any other religion.

These stories we tell each other help us get a handle on the world. For example: Planting corn in the nude produces a better harvest! Is that because God witnesses our 'sacrifice' or because, without clothes we are better able to sense the right the soil temperature, moisture content, meteorological conditions and so on for germination?

Children, as you rightly mention, are sexually active ab-initio. Mutual masturbation is very common, particularly among boys. To label this as either homosexuality or somehow 'deviant' seems to me to be child abuse of the worst order. Germain Greer's book 'The Beauty of Boys' explores this social perversion in some detail.

Serial killers, it seems, are often lonely boys who kill some small animal, and then have a wank to cheer themselves up. This 'successful' pattern of behavior, if repeated, may become habitual and amplified, until eventually homicide occurs.

Religion is no different: if praying seems to be successful ("Please, God, make my maths homework right, and awarded a distinction")then the process will be repeated so that some imaginary God, rather than the worshiper, deserves the credit for success.

Child abuse, it seems to me, has more to do with society's attitude to child sexuality, and the severe guild that can induce in the child, than the actual event.

Direct harm occurs when a child (or indeed an adult) is physically or psychologically coerced into behaving in a way that is both unnatural and harmful.

Would you agree then, that Rambo style behavior models that encourage bullying, 'Christian values' that cause us to invade Iraq and indeed the sort of Satanism that demands live sacrifice all the sorts of stories that amount to child abuse, whilst obviously invented fantasies such as Jack and the Beanstalk, Tom and Gerry (and indeed, parts of this website)which act as lightning conductors for our childish imagination, are essential for mental health?

Regards, Tim
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 22nd, 2003 04:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Please to see!

Please to see:
http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child.html
http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child2.html
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 14th, 2003 12:33 am (UTC) (Link)

gary glitter

was gary glitter not prosicuted for supporting those who committed a crime, aswell or perhaps instead of a "thought crime"?
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 19th, 2003 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

Paedophillia

Hello, a friend of mine sent me your site to read, and i must say you put your point across most eloquently. However, having read your essay, i am left feeling that you lack a certain perspective. you have succeeded in putting your point across in a professional and impassionate manner, well done. I was unable to read it unimpassioned however, which i can only assume is your purpose. As a mother myself, i can state quite categorically that i am not "scapegoating" anyone, but i find the notion of a pedophile living within close proximity to my child appalling. it is not the action of observing pedophilic images that disturbs me particularly, i understand that we all get turned on by different things, what concerns me, is that a large portion of the known pedophilliacs have watched/downloaded/bought images to satiate there urges, and this has only appeased there nature for so long, whereupon, they seek to enact there desires out in the world, upon innocent children, in many cases murdering there victims in an attempt to hide there perversity. I personally do not think that pedophiles need understanding nor compassion, but should be given the most painfully, humiliating and above all prolonged death that can be imagined. when a person with this perversity acts upon his.her desires, it strips a child of a life. whether the child is murdered, ending its existence and depriving the world of another einstein or plato, or is left to live out its life with the memory of its attack etched forever in its mind, hindering and marring any hope for future happiness, the result is the same. A life has been taken, that can never be returned, and that is a crime of the most appalling nature.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 7th, 2006 10:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Paedophillia

Im sorry but I find your comments about making making paedophiles suffer barbaric and inhumane. EVERYBODY has rights. Whilst I also find the idea of children being pressured/co-orced/forced into situations they should not be in, two wrongs do not make a right and we, as a society, should find other ways of dealing with offenders in a way that does not make us animals. I, too, wish to protect my children from harm, but persucuting a group of people for their beliefs is not the right way to go about it. Retribution in the way you describe only serves to make us feel better about ourselves, that we have done something so can salve our conscience. Having a peodophile living near you does not automatically mean your child is in danger. You may have a murderer living next door and not even know; you can't weed out society to your own end, so that only acceptable people live in close proximity to you - where do you think they should live, Mars?
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 2nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Paedophillia

If a paedophile acts on their urges, yes destroy them as they've shown themselves to be a danger. But this is the same as destroying rapists as well. They to succumb to urges which harm. In order for someone who has naturally paedophilic tendancies to actually rape children they must be morally bankrupt. We should no more punish not practicing paedophiles any more than we should homosexuals.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2004 10:06 am (UTC) (Link)
In persecuting others, we attemept to purge that which is unsilencable within ourselves. Can we really believe our own sexualities to be so normal, tame and acceptable as to consider ourselves entirely removed from such things? No. When our own natures are so inexpliccable, who are we to judge that of others? Sexuality is a wild card, not a choice, and to persecute a fellow human being simply for being human (and thus flawed) is wrong. You demonstrate this fact well in your essay, keep on at it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 7th, 2004 10:15 am (UTC) (Link)
Having reviewed my previous post (the post above) may I just say that I do not in any way condone any actual realisation of such fantasies. All I intend to say is that such people require help of a proffesional nature, not our absolute unquestionned revulsion. Anyone possessing such a desire is not of sound mind, and anyone acting on such impulses is inexcusably flawed and (if you believe in such abstract concepts) evil.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 18th, 2004 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)

is my boyfriend a paedophile?

im 17 and me boyfriend is 22 people call him a paedophile is this true?
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 1st, 2004 02:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Child Porn

I understand your point about thought crimes etc but at the same time i believe we shouldn't show any tolerance for child pornography. Anyone downloading it, paedophile or otherwise, is increasing the demand for these exploitative films and images. Nobody can stop a person from w*nking off at the thought of a 6 year old boy - that's anybody's given freedom, but once somebody takes it further than the confines of their own head - even if its only looking at pictures, they have some effect (if only small/indirect) on the pornographer, the child and the active paedophile in society. If they still want to do that, then they should be prepared to accept the consequences shouldn't they?
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 7th, 2006 10:23 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Child Porn

That depends on what the consequences are, doesn't it? They are subject to the law, just like anyone else. They should not, though, be ostracised from society, or beaten up whilst walking down the street.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 15th, 2004 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Heinlein, sex and children (part 1)

I think it was Robert Heinlein that once wrote "if so many normal and healthy men like to watch women getting undressed on stage, then at least some women must enjoy undressing on stage in front of men, otherwise there's something fundamentally wrong with the human species".

When I was 8, I felt sexually attracted to adult women. So it doesn't surprise me the least bit that at least some adult women feel attracted to young boys. The same goes for any other combination.

Now, would I have wanted to actually do something with an adult woman? That would (as it still does) depend on the specific woman, but the short reply is "yes, I would". Unfortunately, at that time, I didn't come across any woman who was interested in me (or maybe I did, but they were afraid to show it, or I didn't understand the signs).

It's not a matter of age, it's a matter of will. When a 10 year old child is raped, the bad thing isn't the fact that she or he was 10. It's the fact that she or he was raped. Forced to do something against their will. Conversely, if two children (or teenagers, or a child and a teen, or a teen and an adult, etc.) want to have some sort of sexual contact, I don't think that I (or anyone else) have the right to forbid them.

Saying that no-one under 18 (or 16, or any other age) can have sex is like saying that everyone over 18 (or 21, or whatever) has to have sex.

Now, some people (especially children, but this also applies to many teens and even some adults) are not fully aware of the implications of their actions. And those people can be easily manipulated. The way to avoid letting our children be manipulated by molesters is to make sure they are informed about sex, and are able to make conscious decisions regarding their own bodies. What some parents call "protection" and "innocence" is actually ignorance, and ignorance is fertile ground for manipulation.

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From: (Anonymous) Date: May 15th, 2004 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)