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Masters of Existence

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reality

(Anonymous)
Hi I came across your sight by accident but found it really interesting as I have always had an interest in philosophy.
However it has left me with many questions. My biggest one is this:
Q: If you live in your own reality, created by you then how come you can interact with others? are they just figments of your imagination? If the world went to war how would you perceive it?i.e would you consider yourself immortal in your reality and think that if a bomb hit you, you wouldn't get hurt? isn't that just denial?
It appears that you like to find ways to rationalise everything, relying heavily on science to provide answers for you. dont get me wrong each to their own, but what about instinct and emotion. the first humans,apes whatever didn't have anyone to tell them how to procreate so how did they know, Being that they were the first they could not have had any inherent race gene to tell them could they? what about unexplained phenomena like ghosts, angels etc? What about the feeling you get when you walk into a room and the hairs on the back of your head stand up and you get a feeling of impending doom that you cant explain but you just know that something's not quite right?
Please dont take any of this as an insult to your beliefs it just that you've sparked my interest and im afraid that my brain is always asking questions. These are just the first things that popped into my head after reading your stuff. please email me the answers as im not sure how this stie works.hotsquirrell@hotmail.com

Firstly:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/3/solipsism.html
I don't believe we all live in different universes, but merely that our own perception of the Universe are isolated from other people's.

The rest of what you say about ghosts and the supernatural... well I haven't experienced those things, but many have. Many have experienced lots of things. Like UFOs, abductions, future lives, past lives, telekinesis, clairevoyance, audiovoyance, posessions, communication with god, communications with goddess, communication with multiple gods, communication with demons, communication with long lost dead ones, shamans have communicated with spirits and taken over the bodies of animals... of all of these things, many of them are incompatible with each other.

This means that some of our most powerful experiences are in some way false and delusional. I do not know which ones are delusional and which ones are real, so I therefore rely on science to tell me what is "likely". I believe UFO abductions are "unlikely", I believe Gods are "unlikely" and that (in particular) the 3-omni God is impossible, but I do not automatically ignore all of what we call supernatural. Science has explained 99% of all previous religious experience (weather, rainbows, the sun, the moon, the stars, death, pregnancy, rainbows, the nothern lights, epilepsy, medical illness) and I am confident that, if supernatural things exist eventually we'll at least get some proof or theory that makes them sound a little more plausible. Without personal experience or logic to back up a belief, I can't believe in it.

I'll forward this to the email address you supplied.

Your email address is hotsquirrell@hotmail.com ?

Try:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/wiggy/

Bowfinger

(Anonymous)
Eddie Murphy, in the movie Bowfinger, said it best when he was told to recite happy premise number two. Happy premise number two is:

"Even though I feel I may ignite...I probably won't!"

ps - Don't show Mr. Winky to the Laker girls.

Thanks for the insight. I don't share your views on life but it is good that you can illuminate your path for the ignorant (like me) Blessings

can u answer this?

(Anonymous)
in satanic point of view ;who is the creator of the world? and if the answer is Satan, so how Satan is created? If satanist do not want to be stupid so they should first answer that where this Satan have come from ? According to what I read its ultimate stupidity to accept something without reason; so I want to ask satanists that how can they find out how satan has come to existence with trial and error experiments and they worldly senses?

Re: can u answer this?

Satanism accepts modern science and believes that the creation of the world is a natural events that does not need a creator: something which occurred due to the natural laws of the universe.

I have three pages explaining to theists that a creator did not create the world (for some reasons, theists do not accept modern science), they are all linked to from here:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rr.html#Creator

We create Satan in our own imagination, nothing else has created Satan. He's not real, dude.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/satan.html

Re: can u answer this?

Second URL should read:

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/satan.html

Re: can u answer this?

(Anonymous)
why we have to believe that there is satan or even god if we see that just humain who envent theme. why he envent them? because we are weak we are nothing. and to be some thing this is why we try to think that there is satan and god

Re: can u answer this?

(Anonymous)
why we have to believe that there is satan or even god if we see that just human who invant theme. why he invent them? because we are weak we are nothing. and to be some thing this is why we try to think that there is satan and god

can u answer this...2 ?

(Anonymous)
I went over the pages you introduced;

1.I dont believe in any religion:
so the page you introduced is for those who believe in a religion
I just believe in One God ,the creator of all;so I dont believe
in those views of religions and 7 day creation process etc...;
I just think those stuff are man made stories.


2.they dont proof that the creation of the world does not need a
creator;they just may proof some ideas in Christianity or any
other religion are wrong and why they are wrong but there is no
any logical or scientific reason that world does not need
creator;there is difference between when u disproof something
according to some reasons and proof something else;if you
disproof something it DOES NOT MEAN that the oposite point(your
idea) is right and true; reasons are needed like the first case.
Im a a chemistry student who studies scientific theories and
experiments and etc;
science,or modern science just describes something that happens
and classifies and formulizes them just for the sake of better
living and their applications;
3.even in science as you might have heard,we deal with cause and
effect;there is no effect unless there is a cause;its the
simplest law;everyone accepts that;so how can we accept that
something comes to existence all of a sudden?

Re: can u answer this...2 ?

The link I posted contains 3 links to essays that show that no creator is required... those three essays, in the "God was not the creator of the universe" section do not pick on any particular religion, but deal with the general idea of a creator god.

I'll post the links for you:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/firstcause.html
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/universe.html
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/faith.html

and it's also probably worth reading:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/assumptions.html too

try the many links at the bottom of
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rr.html

can u answer this...2?

(Anonymous)
Theist DO believe in modern science because its just a proof that
a great Creator has created all of the laws... .
As you might have read one of THERMODYNAMIC laws explains that if you let a system( anything,world: the case of study not the surroundings) to its own,namely you dont make any change to it;intact; it will tend to get to the most chaotic level which is the most stable stage: the least energy=the most chaotic=the most stable;but if you want to regulate it u need to exert some energy;thus according to this law;eg if you dont tidy your room it will get messy=the least energy=most stable=its easy to make your room messy but its hard to tidy it=needs energy;
but looking all aroung and seeing nature we see that they have some energy level more than the least energy state possible,namely they are arranged and regulated and ordered;so the direction of the creation goes to give order and arrangemet to the material world;so its not let to its own to get to the least energy state;but there is an aim which arranges material world or anything else;a tree grows,this is the formation of an order and new shape having more energy than its componenets by themself;because something keeps those components together to form this tree and its the energy of the LIVING FORCE, but without a creator even according to the nature laws which you claim u accept the direction of the living things is going to the most chaotic level,but in fact its not so,becuase throughout the history new generations are developed that are more efficeint than their ancestors so they have more energy,they didnt gain this additional energy by chance but living force gives it to them,and the living force is created by God.
so we conclude that there is a contradiction in your statmentes,because if u do believe in modern science as chemistry,physics physical chemistry( thermodynamic laws as I mentioned) they all proove the existence of a Great Creator,in fact they verify that.

Re: can u answer this...2?

http://www.origins.org
(Look up thermodynamics, they have a good FAQ on it... from both physics and biology I knew how the first rule works, dude, go read a book on the subject)

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/faith.html

and

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/assumptions.html

All about how no creator is required.

Modern science does NOT prove a modern creator dude, go deal with it. There isn't a single piece of science that does. Why? Because there is no creator.

Re: can u answer this...2?

The earth is perpetually getting energy from the sun. If it did not, then the earth would fall into chaos. with this eternal supply, however, it remains at equlibrium, with things going from order to chaos and back again ad infinitum.

I saw your site

(Anonymous)
Its about time someone actually stands up for what they believe.I was wondering do you have to wear all black to be a satanist?


aConfusedchick

I am a good person, unfortunately, i am possessed by a demon, or rather i am a demon. Satan is using me as his tool to corrupt the minds of innocent christians.

i have a question.

(Anonymous)
hi, after reading parts of ur site, and just wodering about what/how a person i have been. what is the difference between an atheist and satanist? Since Satan is not a god, then that mean satanists don't believe in god either, so, isn't it just same as atheists??

Re: i have a question.


REPENT OR PERISH WITH THE REST

(Anonymous)
MY LOST FRIEND. YOU ARE SO CONFUSED. I BET YOUR CONSCIENCE IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE NOT ONLY HURTING YOUR SELF BUT ALSO HURTING OTHERS THAT DONT KNOW ABOUT THE TRUTH. I KNOW THAT IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD, YOU DONT BELIEVE IN HELL. BUT GUESS WHAT, THERE IS A HELL. HELL WAS CREATED FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS AND MAYBE IF YOUR LOW ENOUGH, YOURSELF. LETS LOOK AT IT AT YOUR POINT OF VIEW, YOU SAY HELL IS NOT REAL AND THAT THERE IS NO HEAVEN. MAYBE JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDNT MAKE IT WITH YOUR WEAK BEING DOESNT MEAN THAT ITS NOT REAL. HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF "WHAT IF HELL IS REAL" OR "WHAT IF JESUS IS FOR REAL?" THAT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT YOU ARE NOT ENTERING HIS KINGDOM AND OF COURSE THE ONLY OTHER PLACE YOU CAN GO IS HELL. WHAT A BUMMER, HUH.WELL LOST FRIEND, I ONLY HAVE ONE LAST WORD FOR YOU, "REPENT!" I'LL BE PRAYING SO THAT YOU CAN ONE DAY BE FREE FROM SATAN'S ENSLAVEMENT. SLEEP TIGHT, DONT LET THE BED BUGS BITE. BED BUGS DO EXIST OR YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT EITHER.

Re: REPENT OR PERISH WITH THE REST

"THERE IS A HELL. HELL WAS CREATED FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU"
Your self-assured certainty in your beleifs is about as arrogant as the self-worship of satanism. your beleifs are not better founded than his and your approach to those who disagree with you is disgustingly hypocritcal.
"MY LOST FRIEND...HELL WAS CREATED FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU"

"You fool, first take the plank from you own eye. then you may help remove the speck from your brother's" -Jesus Christ
Judgement is reserved for God and God alone. Read the Bible and start acting like a Christian.

If you believed in Jesus, you wouldn't talk to a human being the way you just did. That to me concludes that you are not a human being. You talk about Jesus, you sure do not sound like a follower of Christ. You shouldn't tell people they are going to hell, you know why because you are already in hell.

jesus saves

(Anonymous)
you have fun swimming in that lake of fire sad soul

Your self-assured certainty in your beleifs is about as arrogant as the self-worship of satanism. your beleifs are not better founded than his and your approach to those who disagree with you is disgustingly hypocritcal.
"You fool, first take the plank from you own eye. then you may help remove the speck from your brother's" -Jesus Christ
Judgement is reserved for God and God alone. Read the Bible and start acting like a Christian. That kind of malice and spite towards your fellow man is against everything Jesus ever taught.

jesus is for sinners only

(Anonymous)
Jesus died so that sinners like us could be forgiven. We all fall short of the glory of God, but you've got to admit to yourselves that if everyone loved one another this world would be a better place. Love. That's my understanding of Jesus. And be honest with yourselves, what can it possibly hurt? You are taking a risk of eternal damnation in hell by living the way that you are, when you could be loved by everyone in heaven, and granted your hearts desire. Why continue to lower yourself when you can be lifted up higher? And ask yourself if you are truely happy with the life that you lead. And if you believe yourself to be happy, ask yourself if you could be happier. Because I can guarantee you that things can get a whole lot better. Our time on this Earth is very short, but eternity is forever, so make yourself happier on Earth and glorious in eternity. Love your enemies for they would rather you hate them. Just helping you understand that love defeats all.
love,peace,and GOD BLESS YOU!

atheism

(Anonymous)
How is Satanism different from atheism or existentialism.

Sas

Satanism is a religion with a specific set of beliefs, kick-started by Anton LaVey in 1966.
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/major.html

Atheism is any set of beliefs that do not include gods, such as Humanism, Buddhism, Taoism.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html

And existentialism is a type of French philosophy that encompasses subjectivism.


Re: atheism

(Anonymous)
And existentialism is a type of French philosophy that encompasses subjectivism. Um...no, actually, the founding father of existentialism is Søren Aabye Kierkegaard who was born and raised in Copenhagen, Denmark. However, "nihilistic existentialism" is what is found in the writings of the French philosopher, Sartre. It is a type of philosophy very similar to Satanism, I must say.

I am VERY surprised to find this kind of thought put into your religion. your beliefs now have my respect.

If there is a universe in which we all live, how is a subjective perception of reality any more than a perversion of the truth?

All world views, when held by beings that are not all-knowing, is a perversion of truth. Nothing can be done about that, really, except a continued and genuine search for truth via science, intelligence, etc.

But if it is so butchered, then How does self-worship make sense?

For the reasons given. As the only possible arbiters & creators of our own subjectivist reality, there is no other verifiable consciousness worthy of sacrosanct praise.

I see. very interesting.
Is there a supernatural side to all of this?

Satanism lacks Philosophical Background

Vexen from reading your opinions and beliefs, I get the impression that you have very little Philosophical knowledge and that Satanism is very an extremely weak doctrine. But maybe there are some things you can clear up for me.
-The soul or spirit has long been held as the distinct entity which is entombed within a body, and the feature which allows a creature to exist. Do Satanists believe in this concept?
-Some other questions I have for you are:
=What is the true nature of reality?
=What is its origin?
=What is our place in it?
=How are we related to the powers that govern it?

I believe in Animism, which is the oldest belief system known to mankind(first created by Hunter & Gatherer societies). The basis of Animism I believe in, is that every living thing (which I consider to be Universes, Galaxies, Animals, Plants, Fungi, Prokaryotae, and Protoctista) have their own spirits which are derived from The Good (the structure which brings all others structures into existence). I believe in reincarnation, and that together the spirits make up the Good, and thus create all life. I also consider Earth to be heaven, and that there are infinitely many other heavenly bodies/planets which support life. I believe the meaning of life is to create/ be creative (note that I do not simply mean reproduction)and that there are infinitely many other meaingful values of life. Do you have any opinions on my beliefs?

Re: Satanism lacks Philosophical Background

1. There is no soul. The philosophical problems surrounding the historical theories of soul. Basically the problem of dualism - how does an incorporal soul actually affect us, when it appears in every way that our consciousness is purely biologica/physical in nature. If the soul is immaterial, therefore undetectable, why have we not discovered any mechanism by which a phantom affects the neurones of our brains? Etc. The soul is itself unphilosophical, antiquated, and unscientific.

My "What is Satanism" introduction page clearly states that Satanists do not believe in souls: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html

2. No one knows what the true nature of reality is, because no-one is capable of non-subjective thought. Scientific investigation only fuels our perceptions; the very fact that we think at all means that we have perspectives, from which we can never escape in order to find any transcendental truth. Basic epistemology.

3. No-one knows the "nature" of reality; the best introduction to physics is the famous "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking. Satanism does not attempt to answer this question, it is best left to science and philosophy, not religion.

4. Our place is obviously: Wherever we happen to be.

5. We are governed by those powers too; be they deterministic laws as discovered by science or gods.

I am well aware of animism. Your beliefs: Your comment on creativity sounds like Nietzsche. Your comments on "The Good" are plain confusing; what "good"? And why is "life" "good"? It sounds too anthropocentric. Heaven is an emotional term; it traditionally means a place of no suffering. As there is suffering on Earth, I do not think it is accurate to call it "heaven". Likewise, as there is delusion, I would not call it "Nirvana", etc.

Re: Satanism has Philosophical Background

Thank you for clearing that up for me, I now think I now better understand your beliefs and see that they are well-founded.
The term "the Good" is an old term created by Plato, who created "the four part line"(I learned about this in an Introductory Philosophy class, and only partly comprehend the whole concept) in which he concluded that sensations, shadows, and images are least real, the second part stated ordinary things/objects are more real, part 3: rules and principles, part 4: Descriptions of Reality (Platonic Ideas). I have not done this theory justice so if you want to learn more on its foundation you'll have to visit your own library. He held "The Good" as the highest Platonic Idea which knows the true nature of reality. I already established, I have only a vague understanding of Plato's beliefs, so I thus justified his terms with my reasoning.

-A try at the Nature of Reality: Analogy of a Function and derivatives (as studied in calculus) to the source of life and existence:
I hold the Good as the source or function if you will, which all (physical matter, minds, thoughts, etc.) is derived from. So I believe everything is a derivative of one source or function, and that the function exists, and that the derivatives (matter, minds, and thoughts) exist within the function and that when they are brought in to physical existance (derived and graphed) they become separeate from the function and are free to derive what they will. And now that they have been derived and graphed, they live, but then I face the old question of the after life. Well thats only something the dead have found out, or not found out.
I have to agree with you that my I sounded too anthropocentric and thus underdeveloped, and that my analogy is underdeveloped as well and has counter examples and leaves questions in mystery.
As heaven is traditionally held as an emotional term as a place of no suffering, For justifying calling earth a heaven I offer you the Buddhist concept of the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path which one source I found vaguely puts it that "all life is full of suffering, pain, and sorrow. The cause of suffering is the desire for things that are really illusions, such as riches, power, and long life. The only cure for suffering is to overcome desire. The way to overcome desire is to follow the eightfold path: of the right view, aspirations, speech, conduct, liveliehood, effort, mundfulness, and contemplation." Thus suffering is ridden of and earth is heaven for we are surrounded by all that we love, but wait a minute what about the minority of all those immoral fools who screw up heaven, shit man. Well then we should encourage morality (for the right theory of what is moral look into "Act Deontology"). So fools have ruined our heaven and screwed up our lives, well we can teach them too to be moral, but some of them have more power than us. Well lets make sure we can at least stop immoral fools who we know and who we see on a personal level, thus we have created a heaven around ourselves, we love everything around us, and if everyone does so then I suppose earth will be a true heaven, and not just the heaven I that surrounds me.

Re: Satanism has Philosophical Background

All people have wants and desires, as such all people suffer and are distracted from the truth. Hence, in Buddhist belief, Earth is as far from Heaven as you can get, no matter how much love there is. The Eightfold Path will REMOVE you from Earth once you follow it properly and attain nirvana; the very perception of the Earth is a deception that prevents enlightenment, as are all attachments to such ideas as heaven, love, happiness, etc. Once you attain Nirvana, all such ideas disappear. That's why they say... if you see the Buddha, kill him! Don't get caught up on ideas, even if they seem to be the right ones because you'll be doing it for the wrong reasons! Such is the circle of life, in Buddhism. Thankfully I'm not a Buddhist and would rather not attain Nirvana anyway.

I dislike Plato, *especially* his fundamental thoughts on Platonic ideals; it's complete rubbish. He was no doubt intelligent and there is massive merit in teaching people to go back to the first principles of logic and thought, but his conclusions are just random and pre-scientific.

There is no "source of functions" from which all properties and objects are derived from. In reality, as all objects are different (think of the massive differences in molecular structure) there is no reason for there to be ultimate pre-existence ideas behind them.

Your talk of "stopping immoral fools" in order to establish Heaven on Earth is pretty much what every totalitarian government, extreme religious groups and hopeless idealists all try to do! I'm an idealist of the same camp. The most important thing to have, in order to make such ambitions humane and to limit the potential oppression of "stopping" "others" with whom you disagree morally, is humility, intelligence, carefullness, compassion and love. In fact by developing those alone you're making steps towards the original goal! So just concentrate of them!

Re: Satanism has Philosophical Background

(Anonymous)
i agree with the coment against plato, him and his theory of forms and all this 2 magical worlds is just such a frustrating concept, but for a thought, have you ever considered Kantian's perspeective, as hes pretty much combining both the pros of empiricism and rationalist.

Your informative site

(Anonymous)
Hi,

I also came across your site by accident (like some of the other comments state), and I have to say it has rekindled my interest in Satanism. I always knew the usual "acceptable" religions were kind of full of it, despite growing up in religious Jewish schools my entire life. When I was 17 I was attracted to Wicca, but after reading the Satanic Bible and realizing how self-deceving Wiccans really are, it lost all power over me. Thank you very much for keeping the website up. You may have just helped change the course of my life to what I always felt it should be.

-Marina

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