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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 11th, 2005 01:52 pm (UTC) |
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Re: where do emotions come from?
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We are souls. We take bodies to experience and to express our uniqueness. Once we understnad this, we can see how all the other aspects discussed in this site make sense. One of them is predestination, the other is the law of cause and effect and finally the 3 aspects of time....and that God is not related with the creation of matter, because, the universe was never created, it always existed, it is eternal just like us (souls). There is another law that is missing here and that is what we call the second law of thermodynamics. Here the principle of duality is expressed and explains how something new becomes old, or how something that is in one state goes to the complementary state which we refer as "opposites". This explains the concept of good and evil which were discussed by philosophers and others.
The body is not alive without a soul. The soul is the one that feels, the one that thinks, the one that suffers. The body is incapable of these "feelings". The body doesn't know about beauty, peace and bliss.The body is just a chariot. Many times we confuse feelings like "love" with infatuation or lust. Love is a feeling beyond body consciousness. The phrase "I think therefore, I am" wasn't referring about a body. It is the soul the one that thinks. The brain allow us to have a sensory experience of this material world, but there is more to it which the brain cannot experience: beauty, love, peace, happiness... Everything depends on our state of consciousness. Body consciousness is a state of consciousness which ties us to the material world. There so much besides the 5 elements. Soul consciousness is who we are. God is a soul just like us. avyakt7@yahoo.com
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Hey Vexen... See, what I was thinkin is when people used the word soul originally, it was just a way of explaining the overview of emotion and sub-consious thought. When people thought about it, they were amazed at what power their own minds held, but thought it to be magical, because, how could we posess such abilities as dreams and love? I dont think that the body really contains a soul... but i do believe in a non-physical world tied to ours, like a parallel dimension. But, if there is an afterlife in which we reside in as spirits, it couldnt possibly interact with the reality of this world. So, in order to maintain my sanity, i need to believe in a life after this... but maybe not tied to this one at all. But then again, why the hell are we here in the first place? email at par_guitarist@yahoo.com
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Depressing story... But, many COULD argue that Clive's soul simply left his body after the brain damage. Many spiritualists would tell you that when a person suffers enough mental damage, there would be no reason for that body to have a soul.
Another good argument would be that our soul is US, the mind not the brain. Because, is it really possible to tell if someone has a soul or not, if there really is a person inside (this is assuming souls exist of course)? People may have souls, but lose them at a certain age or death. There would be no way to prove this, and it would seem pointless to have "empty" bodies fully operating across the globe. NOTE: *I'm not associating this with another religion, just science and my own beliefs.* A soul could be the non-physical part of who we are, connected to the brain. But hell, people have based religion and souls upon what we experience and know... which comes from our brains. So I guess you could argue either way for awhile... its a horrible comparison, but its kinda like "if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Its simply "yes", but you can never be sure because you were'nt there to experience it yourself...
OK, takin up too much space, could say more but should go... please argue anybody!
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From: vexen |
Date: January 3rd, 2007 10:04 am (UTC) |
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Re: About Clive and the Soul Connected to the Brain
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You said:
"But, many COULD argue that Clive's soul simply left his body after the brain damage. Many spiritualists would tell you that when a person suffers enough mental damage, there would be no reason for that body to have a soul."
But, Clive Wearing shows that emotions, even the strong emotions of love and sadness, exist purely as a result of biochemical processes.
If spiritualists argue that Clive Wearing, since his brain damage, has no soul, then they are admitting that emotions are biochemical in nature; if that is true, what exactly, do they think the point of a soul is? By removing all of our experience (emotions, observation, thought), etc, from the spehere of what a soul 'does', it is obvious it does nothing!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 8th, 2004 01:19 am (UTC) |
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Thank you!
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Hey, thanks for thinking and learning and communicating--your website is quite lovely, as well as refreshing and welcome!
I've nowhere near your breadth and depth of knowledge, but I know enough to recognize truth, especially objective truth.
I particularly appreciate your stating that 'we' and 'animals' (so similar--just wish I had the grace of a cat!) share the same emotions and such on a chemical basis. I have a dog named Sammy who's considered quite extraordinary by anyone who's met him. He's trained in English, and very bad Arabic (my own version, as true speakers of Arabic would testify!); the average American knows/uses 4000 words or so, and Sammy likely understands at least half that. A friend of mine stated that dogs only lick you in hopes that you'll regurgitate food for them, but that just isn't so--at least with Sammy. He'll spontaneously walk up to and "kiss" me with no expectations, as evidenced by his walking away. (I could say much more on the topic, but I really didn't write to brag about my doglet!)
Thank you again for a wonderful site that I'll re-visit at least a few times!
Tracy (berkland@mad.scientist.com)
P.S. Christof Koch presented an interesting question. If a computer operates optimally between x and y degrees, and a red light is illuminated when it exceeds y degrees (x being the lower of the two), does this mean the computer feels pain?
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 11th, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC) |
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Existence of Soul
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As expressed in this site, there is predestination. Things happen because of the law of causality. (cause and effect) we learn from our mistakes, inother words we suffer in order to learn. The law of Karma (action and reaction) tells us that for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction, just like Newton's laws of movement. If I kill someone, I must experience what is like to be killed. This is what we call justice, a moral standard, we came "programmed" with this. It was predestined. However, if I live my life and get away with this murder, when should I pay for it? when should I learn form this suffering that I cause into others? In my next life. When I take a new body I shall experience the suffering that I caused to others. This is why the soul exist. The soul is the one which experiences pain, suffering and happiness. The body is limited, it goes away. The soul continues on. the law of karma explains the need to have a soul in order "to pay for my debts", this is why you observe suffering all around us and within us.. we need to pay our debts.. the longer we stay in this world, more debts we have to cancel. Science don't know anything about this of course.
avyakt7@yahoo.com
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: June 13th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC) |
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emotions without a soul?
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HOW A PHYSICAL BODY CAN CREATE THOUGHTS? THOUGHTS ARE NON MATERIAL. THOSE THOUGHTS ARE YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. LOGICALLY SPEAKING, A NON MATERIAL ENTITY CANNOT BE CREATED BY A MATERIAL ENTITY: A BODY OR AS YOU SAID IT: "BIOCHEMISTRY." IF SO, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE WITH A REASONABLE ANSWER TO THIS: WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS IN THE BODY? IN OTHER WORDS, WHY SOME TEND TO BE DEPRESSED UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES OF OTHERS? WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE? IF EVERYTHING IS DECIDED BY CHEMICALS, WHY SOME HAVE MORE THAN OTHERS? WHAT DECIDES THE AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS THAT WE HAVE? EMOTIONS ARE NOT RELATED WITH CHEMICALS AT ALL. YOU CAN ENHANCE OR DIMINISH CERTAIN EMOTIONS WITH CHEMICALS, DUE TO THE CONNECTION OF THE SOUL WITH THE BODY, BUT IF SOMEONE IS DEPRESSED AND YOU GIVE HIM AN ANTIDEPRESSANT, THE STAGE OF EUPHORIA IS FOR A MOMENT ONLY. SUFFERING IS STILL MASKED INSIDE, BUT AS LONG AS THERE IS NO THOUGHT ABOUT THIS SUFFERING, THEN THERE IS NO DEPRESSION....WE CANNOT STOP OUR THOUGHTS, BUT WE CAN DULL OUR AWARENESS THROUGH CHEMICALS.
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From: vexen |
Date: June 14th, 2006 10:40 am (UTC) |
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Re: emotions without a soul?
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1. Thoughts are completely material. Physical brain damage, even down to very minor injuries, can have dramatic affects on our thoughts and how we think. Neurosciences such as neuropsychology and cognitive psychology, including much of the medicine and drugs industries, rely on the fact that thoughts are fundamentally material in nature. If not, there would be no such thing as brain damage.
2. Everyone has different brain chemical levels because our genes code proteins and neurotransmitters to slightly different degrees in everyone. No two objects are exactly the same, atoms are highly variable from person to person. Also, as thoughts are cycical (limbic system, etc), then, thoughts are different in different people because different life experiences cause people to have different thoughts. Different experiences - such as being born in one city instead of another, or having one parent instead of a different one - all cause different perceptions of the world. Our perceptions (bottom-up processes) cause different chemicals to be released in the brain.
3. If, as you say, there is a "connection" between the brain and the soul, how can you also say that the soul is imamterial? If the soul interacts with the brain in some way, then the soul must be physical.
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