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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: August 6th, 2006 02:05 am (UTC) |
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Re: I DON'T agree
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To reject Jesus Christ, you are determining your own future in hell, an eternal torture where you can't escape. Believe me, some people thing this life can be hell, well imagine a place where you'll feel like your skin is being ripped from your bones and you are in complete agony, you'll scream out for help and no one will help you, because you brought this on yourself. Sure, some of your friends might be there too, but believe me they won't be able to help you down there, and once you're there, there's no escaping it. Eternity is quite a while, the human mind can't even grasp the extent of it. All you have to do is accept that you are a sinner and understand that God loved you so much he sent his son to die for you to cover the price of your sins so you could live in heaven with him. Isn't that much easier than believing there's no God and ending up down there? Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit. If you were a believer in Jesus Christ, you would have the Holy Spirit show you in little things every day that prove that God exists.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: March 1st, 2007 01:46 am (UTC) |
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Re: I DON'T agree
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The person who is telling you you'll go to Hell, doesn't even know what 'Hell' means; nor do any of the religious Christians. The Bible doesn't even teach of it's fantastic stories as being 'literal' it's the religious fanatics that claim it's literal. A Brain cannot believe in such fantasy unless it has been washed thoroughly with either depressive moments in one's life and/or combined with religious teachings. He says Jesus Christ is God, but it doesn't say this in the Bible, is only says 'Son' and the term 'Son' (Dead Sea Scrolls) has been used with others and only means 'subordinate.'
You should review the site www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com. Those who try to debate Dr. Barbara Thiering only do so using their belief system and have nothing else to use. You'll love the site! This person is rehashing the same old outdated beliefs the Churches have purveyed on us over the generations and it's all Bogus! Imagine that to believe in Literal Hell-Fire, Literal Healings, Literal Miracles is considered a 'Reasonable Thing" as though God isn't God unless he performs a Magic Show in a 'Literal Sense' as though we need to believe in Saucery to believe in God.
The Bible's fantastic stories were never meant to be taken literally, even Christ himself said he would say nohting without using a PARABLE, however, people DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE HIM! As far as I'm concerned, the mere existence of Physical Law is enough reason to at least consider the existence of a Creator(s); however, in the end, as much as people claim to know the Truth, they show their idiocy by saying such things as No On Truly Does. They have been fooled and continue to fool others!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 27th, 2004 09:01 pm (UTC) |
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Religion
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I've spent some time reading several of your articles, and have come to the conclusion that you need to look into what these religions really teach. You made several points saying that the three large monotheistic belief systems believe such and such a way. Several points were made about these religions regarding free will, moral and illogical decisions, the logicality of God, the limitation of mans knowledge, etc. that are not held to by either Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, and several of these arguments were illogical from any informed point of view. You drew way to many uninformed conclusions, which is fine if this website was created for the purpose of influencing more uninformed people, but if you want to be taken seriously you need to rethink a considerable amount of your material.
Also, many of your arguments against God are written with the idea that God owes us something. You take the position that God would be bound to reveal Himself to us, that He cannot judge us according to beliefs; but must judge according to action alone, and that God is bound by human logic. If God could be summed up and understood for all that He is by human logic alone, than that is an exeedingly small God. God would not be (and could not be), bound by human logic. Just because we think that something has to be understood a certain way doesn't mean God is bound to opperate in that way. If you Have any comments, you may e-mail me at Sa-an@juno.com
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From: ![[info]](http://p-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) gberikoff |
Date: January 13th, 2005 06:14 pm (UTC) |
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You ask, "who are you to judge" and "who gave you that authority". This is in my opinion the same question and the answer is, according to the monotheist religions at least, a human with free will. Free will, if we have it, gives each of us the authority to question anything that we feel needs to be questioned. If you and I do not have the authority to question then you and I do not have free will. Every human at the appoximate age of 2 years having gained the ability to speak begins to ask why to the point that they drive their parents crazy. Why, why, why until the parents, if they are intelligent say I don't know or if they are unintelligent say because I said so, end of discussion.
we all go through this phase because contrary to the christian view that we are born guilty of adam and eve's sin of the knowledge of good and evil, we are not born with any knowledge. we learn by questioning.
You seem to suggest that to question is wrong however I would suggest that it was a good thing that people questioned the validity of slavery, throwing children into volcanos in order to ensure a fertile crop etc. If someone hadn't questioned those things knowing full well they would be ridiculed (if they were lucky, tortured and murdered if they were not)you and I would have been born into a world where that was acceptible. Fine if you are the master, not so good if your the slave.
your second point is that god may have a different morality than humans. For myself that is no different than government saying, we can but you can't or you telling your child I can rape you but you shouldn't do it to your kids when you have children. If it is wrong, it is wrong. This is separate (in my opinion of course)from saying you shouldn't do this because you are not mature enough to fully understand the full implications of a particular course of action and that when you have shown the proper intillectual growth I will permit you to do what I once told you not to. The christian philosiphy to which this discussion is focused doesn't imply that god forbids certain actions until we are able to comprehend the full consequences of those actions. It says I (god) can and you (humans) can't. Children rarly listen to their parents telling them not to do something they see their parents doing. If God holds me to a certain moral standard, I hold him/her/it/they to the same standard. "because I said so" doesn't wash.
your third point is basically "If everyone was judged on their own morality then wouldn't everyone get into heaven...even murders who think they are moral?"
As I understand it murderers and for that matter arsonists, pedophiles, theives etc can go to heaven, according to the christians, should they accept Jesus as their personal savior. Now they don't get in just because they believed their actions to be moral but the fact that otherwise just people go to hell because they don't state they love jesus is what causes questioning people to go, you know what, that doesn't sound right.
If the Christian bible is an accurate description of God and heaven, I stand as a rebel insurgent who refuses to be his slave and in the human tradition of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" (at least until our common enemy is no longer a threat) then lucifer is my ally. Slightly off topic but I am amused by the fact that the bible repeatedly refers to how bad the devil is but whenever children are being murdered it is by god directly or by angels under his authority and not Satan. Hmmm..
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 31st, 2004 03:30 pm (UTC) |
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God loves you!
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I agree that if someone never had a chance to hear of Jesus Christ, then it would be immoral for the Lord to not let them into heaven. But God told us in the bible that everyone would hear of Jesus Christ. And if they did not, he would judge them accordingly.
You have to agree that Christianity isnt just another quacky religion, I would advise going to google(or yahoo,ect.), and searching for archaelogical, prophesitcal, and other proofs of the Bible.
Once you think its not just another stupid religion, this is to you.
Getting to heaven is like jumping to the moon. You can try all you like, but its never gonna happen. Once you've sinned ONCE, your not good enough to get into heaven. Good deeds should be done, but you cant do anything that would make up for trillions of years of life in happiness.
So your doomed, right? NO, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.". Jesus died, for YOU. He was nailed up on a cross by his hands. And before he died, he said "Father, forgive them"
All you have to do is accept jesus as your saviour, and ask him to forgive you of your sins. Romans 10:9-10 says "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved".
That's it, its that simple. Just make a simple prayer to Jesus Christ. You can do it right now, anytime, anywhere. God loves you, and accepts your for who you are.
God, I invite you into my life right now. Jesus, please forgive me of my sins. Im sorry for all the things I've done wrong. Please come into my heart, Jesus. In Jesus name, Amen.
Ive been a christian all my life, but its always been nothing to me, I lied, cursed, thought bad thoughts. I could never even name all the bad things I've done. About a year ago, i started looking at porn. That was the absolute low, i just felt so bad, i cant explain how i felt, but i hated it. I just ignored God. I stopped looking at porn, started agin, stopped, started, stopped, failed agin. I stopped once and for all eventually. But God forgave me of all my sins, because i know Jesus died for me. Praise the lord.
(Or spit in the face of the one who died for you, curse him and spend your life trying to make excuses and lies so you can drink your beer, smoke your weed, look at your porn, ect.)
Check out other websites
http://www.fallwell.com/how%20to%20get%20saved.html
http://www.txtmania.com/articles/truth.php
-John
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| From: gberikoff |
Date: January 13th, 2005 07:48 pm (UTC) |
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Re: God loves you!
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john,
It sounds like you are well intentioned and and sincere as aposed to some who use their beliefs to look down on others so when I critique your comments I am not doing it in a deliberatly antagonistic way. Even for myself a comment sounds better in the head than when it comes out of the mouth and once you hit send it's out.
first of all, "god told us in the bible that everyone would hear of Jesus Christ. And if they did not, he would judge them accordingly"? Now, I'm not sure of the passage(s) that you refer to but there is a obvious problem when you state in the same sentence that everyone will hear of jesus BUT some won't and will be judged accordingly. Come on john. Which ever MAN wrote the bible could have easily wrote "some will live and died without having heard the name of Jesus. Of, these, those who were just will not be denied the glory of God for they were righteous" or words to that effect. Either EVERYONE will hear the name of jesus or they won't. God didn't write that book. Men did. No God, even a minor one would make such a contradictory statement.
Next- "Once you've sinned ONCE, your not good enough to get into heavenbut you cant do anything that would make up for trillions of years of life in happiness."
My understanding is that, according to your bible we are BORN sinners. Now, I don't have kids yet but when I do, my kids are going to sin (make mistakes)Even though I will specifically tell them not too. I know it already, I even know what they are going to do and the lies they are going to tell to avoid getting in trouble because it is the same ones you and I told our parents unaware that our parents did the exact same thing. When they hit billy, or take susie's ball without asking I'll punish them but unlike the christian god I won't hold it against them for all eternity, leaving them to writhe in twisted anguish till the end of time. Just Parents use no more force than fits the offence and only until the child, if not completey understanding why something is wrong, that it is unacceptable and will be punished in the hopes that eventually they will refrain from doing it not out of fear of punishment but a general realization that it is wrong. Brutal parents use excessive force for the most minor of transgressions.
Four times you have suggsted that we need to accept jesus when by your own admission those who haven't heard of jesus can get salvation by deeds alone. I find that problematic. Two years ago the Governemnt of brazil, in the course of chopping down the rain forest found 2 previously undiscovered tribes of humans. According to your logic then, all the previous generations of these tribes have a chance of getting to heaven without accepting jesus but every future generation including those alive right now do not.Those current generations will quite natuarlly refuse to reject their traditions and adopt some foreign religion and in many cases will burn in hell, languish in purgatory etc(the majority of south americans refer to themselves as christians and there is little doubt in my mind the government and/or so called "missionaries" have taken steps to save the heathen's souls).
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| From: gberikoff |
Date: January 13th, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC) |
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Re: God loves you part 2
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This is getting long but your last point-
"Ive been a christian all my life, but its always been nothing to me, I lied, cursed, thought bad thoughts. I could never even name all the bad things I've done. About a year ago, i started looking at porn. That was the absolute low, i just felt so bad, i cant explain how i felt, but i hated it. I just ignored God. I stopped looking at porn, started agin, stopped, started, stopped, failed agin. I stopped once and for all eventually. But God forgave me of all my sins, because i know Jesus died for me. Praise the lord."
Fist of all i want to reiterate that I mean no offence and this is not a personal attack, but you have not been a christian all your life. Not one single person is born a christian or muslim (moslem) etc. You were not born with a knowledge of christ. You heard others speaking of him in childhood and asked your parents about god. They told you what they believed to be the truth.That you have come to realize that you used to do things you felt to be wrong and now refrain from is fine. But I have noticed in my travels a similar story if you will. People who tell me what an asshole (for lack of a better term) they were, drinking, swearing , beating their wife and kids, until they found jesus (or some other deity)and how they stopped. What I have noticed about this type of person is that they are much more vocal than the average religious person about how I need to accept christ or muhommed etc to save myself. The implied position that because they could not control themselves without a belief in a god and the corresponding threat of hell and promise of heaven that no one else could possibly do it. I certainly don't claim to be a saint but as the years have passed by have taken great strides in correcting the behavior you also have exhibited but I have done it without the fear of god. So, now that I have stated opinion I will ask a question. in your belief, Can a person who, though not allway succesful, generally seeks to be a good person and make amends for their previous transgressions but, has heard of yet doesn't accept christ specifcally find a place in heaven?
I would invite any one of religious convitction to reply (or you dirty heathens, infidels, gentiles)fist on your own beliefs then ask your current minister,reverend, rabbi, mullah for their opinions as they claim to be closer to god than you.
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