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The Disabled - Anyone can enter Heaven regardless of religion

Disabled People - Anyone can enter Heaven regardless of religion

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One Day

(Anonymous)
It does not matter what you believe or don't believe, only in whom you believe. One day every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I pray that you will give your life to Christ and live with Him in heaven FOREVER. God loves you soooo much, and He's waiting for you to come to Him before it's too late.

You contradicted yourself. You said "one day every knee shall bow", etc, but you also said I needed to "come to Him" before it's too late. If it's ever too late, for anyone, then it's not true that "every knee shall bow...".

Re: One Day

(Anonymous)
One day every knee SHALL bow to Jesus Christ our Lord and King, who died for me and for YOU... yes, you! But before that day comes, Christ will return to judge all people... that is when it will be too late. And that is why I am going to pray for you, that Christ will take over your heart and your eyes will be opened. He died for you. He bore your sins on the cross... that is why you do not need to continue to live in evil and darkness. I hope to see you kneeling beside me when that day comes.

I do not live in evil, or darkness. Unless you count liking the color black as darkness, but hopefully you're not inclined to be that superficial! Are you of the opinion, therefore, that all non-Christians are living in evil and darkness?

Pray for me... sure :-) I don't believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah, I think it is very unlikely that Christianity is true. Also, as I don't believe in God, I don't think *anyone* is the messiah.

I believe in love, understanding, peace, happiness, joy and health... hopefully, if God exists, it will know that I've done my best. I wasn't brought up with religion, nor in a religious country, but perhaps you could email me at vexen@vexen.co.uk and attempt to explain why you think Jesus "died for my sins"? It seems a very strange belief to me!

Re: One Day

(Anonymous)
Indeed, you will have no choice but to bow. By then your eyes will be openen, and you will wonder why you havent seen this before.

Have you no shame? You have no room to talk to me or anybody else about salvation until Christianity shows endearment for the things it has done to Africa, Asia and Latin America such as when the Spaniards ventured going mostly deeply past the Rio Grande and the other white settlers took away from the Natives their prized religions and cultures, making them cut their hair and homogenizing them.

When the Aztecs had their pyramids built to the sky, they were and have been worshipping something: the sun. That was real to all of them who lived. The Incas had the place known as Machupicchu.
It was at that time where the most unfortunate took place.
The Conquistadors had arrived and took from them all that was sacred.

ANYBODY who even so much as has a STENCH of acting like a wolf in sheep's clothing to convince me that it is either Jesus or Satan
can, may, should and will expect to be disqualified as an envoy of
compassion, but also to be likened to Adolf Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Queen Isabella of Spain or George Bush one and two and Prescott Bush or folks who tend to wax Gestapo.

When the West part of the globe was conquered it became Hell on Earth for those indigenous. Africa suffered the most of all.
Pestilence, disease, famine, poverty, war had become for these good ones the steady diet they had to endure first hand and the show to take center stage on the six and eleven o'clock news, and Christianity does nothing to make it better.

Except to be condescending to them.
FACTS LIKE THIS ARE MORE CONCRETE THAN THE SO-CALLED "TRUTH".
Sometimes I wake up ashamed that I am white.

That is why I converted to Buddhism. It shows a world of endearment
through our own common sense, participation and free will.
There is no guilt and there is no misery. The races are never for a moment segregated. We chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo to the Gohonzon.
There are no regrets whatsoever. So much better than embacing the
crucifix in order to hold out for an empty promise of any sliver of
afterlife redemption it is. You get what you need in this life now
or in the vicinity of it as well as in all future lifetimes. Really.
When you embrace something that epitomizes misery, chances are as they do happen to be, you are going to have misery, but when you embrace something that epitomizes prosperity, chances are you as they do happen to be, you are going to have prosperity.
Seriously, just think it through. We pray not to a god, but a representation of a mortal human being's enlightened life on a mandala, which in turn represents the universe in a theoretical way
and is on a rice-paper scroll inscribed in sumi ink.

Buddhism has all this well established, and our goal is world peace.

The Disabled

(Anonymous)
Because of sin in the world, there will be malformations of even the physical body. Therefore the mentally retarded will not be held accountable for what was there, out of their control. Atheists, however, will be held accountable, because they were indeed presented with the facts, and made a CONSCIOUS decision to reject. If a mentally retarded person were not to make a choice, it would only be because of their handicap, not because of their choices. The experience of God is all around us. The earth, the soul, the mind. It is impossible to live on this planet without the idea that the choice is "beyond their control'. Not choosing, when in a fair state of mind, is actually a choice in itself. What more evidence do u need for God to "prove" to you he is real? Physical: Jesus Christ, Mental: Conscious, Spiritual: Proven Prophecies.

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
Just a reminder when refering to physical and mental disabilities it is important to put the person before the disability, because they are a person first. And they happen to have a disability. So in the statement I am replying to, you wrote, "mentally retarded person." You should have wrote, "If a person that is mentally retarded..." or better yet developmentally delayed. Just a thought! Oh yeah, try disability over handicap.

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
I think that you are being a bit annoying. I personally respect them, I work with them everyday. I agree with Writer 1- The wording is fine, and honestly, you people who have to be so politically correct are getting to be tiring.

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
I am an atheist. I believe there is a life after death and instinctively (or perhaps as a result of religious propaganda) I feel that I should probably follow a religion to get to the afterlife. The trouble is there are hundreds of types of Christianity alone, forget the other religions. You are lucky to have the gift of faith in one. I would love Jesus, Ganesh even Jupiter for godssakes to give me a little belief in them but all I get is humans... Devout humans like you who all tell me conflicting things with equal conviction. Is it fair that I go to hell if I GUESS (and without faith a guess is all it is) my religion wrong?

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
Just a thought. If there is a God out there that created you, heaven and hell, maybe he would want you to know him. Maybe he would want to see you in heaven some day. You say you believe in an afterlife of some sort, then seek it out. If you are seeking a God or Creator, then most likely he will seek you out in return. It might be something like a parent loosing their child. The Child doesn't seek out the parent until he or she realizes their state of being lost, but the parent, he or she is searching for that child the moment they come up missing. If God is real, then you seem like the kind of person he is seeking out. And I don't think he is going to stop until the road ends. And that means you find out whether heaven and hell really do exist.

Just another note on a Christians view: sure there are hundreds of types of christianity, but Christian means Christ follower and Christ says that "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." John 14:6. If God is real and Jesus is real, there is a way to heaven, actualy there is only one and all types of Christianity believe in this. If they don't, you seem like a smart guy, you should be able to distinguish what a Christian is and is not. So in the long run YOU have a conscious decision to seek out the truth.

Good luck in this journey, I hope you find out the real truth.

God Bless.

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
you are fn crazy if you think that people who are mentaly handicap cant grt into heaven.

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
Concentrate on the logistical point in the original article. The writer wrote that if the way of getting into heaven was through the acceptance of Christ into our lives. If this is the only way, how can somebody who cannot comprehend of Jesus (or who perhaps hasn't heard of him) get into heaven? I,m researching a book on this at the moment and am very interested in everyone's views. Would perhaps the mentally disabled person go to Limbo, as the unchristened babies do? Or is that not a popular theory any more?

Re: The Disabled

(Anonymous)
It could be because 1) people who havent heard of Jesus CAN'T get into heaven (which, in reality is honestly fair. no one deserves to; God answers to no one, He has every right to make His own rules) or 2) becuase the idea that the acceptance of Christ only applies to if you are physically able to comprehend this. others may be excluded due to the fault that is not their own. (See my entry on December 7th, 2003, haha)

The Disabled - Anyone can enter Heaven regardless of religion

(Anonymous)
Deuteronomy 23 1"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.



Leviticus 21:16-23 [Eunuchs and other disabled not holy or allowed near altar.]
The LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.



Thanks God!

I wanted to correct a tiny but significant factual flaw in your premise... :)

Technically, first, though: I think that you should be more consistently specific in your essay. "The disabled" is not the same as having a *specific* impairment.

Now, to the minor flaw: people with even severe intellectual impairment** can understand the concept of a deity, believe in one, and even be extremely religious. If you hunt around on the web for journals/blogs regarding religion and Down Syndrome or cognitive impairment, you'll probably get a good idea of what I mean -- as parents and others often write about it.

** People assumed severely cognitively disabled based on their lack of response to speech and/or inability to speak are increasingly turning out to have a totally different disability with normal to genius intelligence, so they end up eliminating their part of the category as well. If you look at Ballastexistenz you'll get one example.

Vexen, I do not believe there is a God but you raise the interesting hypothesis that if there were and "he" were ALL LOVING that it would not matter if you were an atheist or not, you would still be welcomed into heaven. What I find so annoying about religion is that religious people can believe their religion is right and all others are wrong. That is why I choose to believe there is no almighty god. And to say "I will pray for you" grates my nerves in a way nothing else can. I do not believe religious people are wise, I believe they only learn about things that make death seem less scary thus ignoring the "facts" and living their lives. Instead they judge people who do not hold the same opinions and use their snide remarks such as "I will pray for you" to make themselves seem better. I am sickened by the "Christians" who converted the Mayans to Christianity. The Mayans probably had a more accurate view of the world than the ignorant Christian did, in fact their calender was a thousand times more accurate than ours but Christians made them "pay" for their "satanic" ways. What has made these people so cocky as to believe their beliefs are correct and all others are wrong? Christianity is a very good tool for making people abide by society's rules. God is just the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Santa Clause for adults. I live a moral life not out of fear of damnation but out of love and respect for my family, which is more than can be said for some child molesting priests. Please excuse my irritation but some of the comments I've read have brought me on this rampage. Nature is a wonderful thing, the human brain is awe inspiring, we need to give credit where credit is due and not give credit to mythological beings.

God is not only evil, it is downright crazy

Is there such a thing as “mental illness?” The “real world” (world I can see, taste, feel, smell, and hear seems to exist), so provisionally, I take it as “reality.” If a person seems to sense things I cannot, and cannot provide evidence of those things, then that person may be “crazy.” I have a sibling who has conversations with himself and has been diagnosed as either bipolar or schizophrenic, so it may not be crazy to call him crazy.

Nevertheless, caution is called for. Some regimes e.g., Soviet Union, have diagnosed people who criticized them as “crazy,” when in fact the regime was more likely crazy.

Perhaps people who believe in “God,” are the crazy people. If they all agreed on the nature of God, I might be more likely to take them seriously and less likely to think they are crazy.

If an individual can indeed be crazy, is it possible that an entire species can be crazy?

Crazy people are more likely to harm themselves than “sane” people. Our species is likely to destroy itself (nuclear energy, global warming, viral manipulation, to name just a few of our cunning tricks).

Many years ago, the satirical British science fiction writer, Eric Frank Russell, wrote a book, Dreadful Sanctuary, hypothesizing that earth was an “insane asylum” for the rest of the solar system. It is not a very good book, so I would love to see another writer adopt the same theme and do a better job. But the basic concept has legs.

Anyway, to struggle back to your theme, what kind of a God would create crazy people? Perhaps God is not only Evil, but crazy to boot? Could an omnipotent God cure itself? Never mind. That way lies madness.

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