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From: (Anonymous) Date: October 7th, 2003 11:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

evidence:
look at any globe or map,
take a good look at how when you squeeze the continents together they fit something so complex can only be from god and,do you believe the wind exists? why because you can see how it moves trees right i can see gods miracles in people you just know my friend, hes there.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 7th, 2003 11:22 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

adam and eve were meant to be perfect but as soon as they ate the apple they were ashamed of being naked, they were not brother and sister mother father the were to separate beings meant to be perfect
vexen From: vexen Date: October 7th, 2003 11:55 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

1) The character of Adam and Eve
If god created eve from the rib of adam, then adam and eve had the same genetic makeup. Not only were they brother and sister, but they were twins too. That makes it even worse!

Also, if they were "meant" to be perfect, why were they given a personality that means they were gullible enough to be deceived by an animal talking nonsense? If God created their personalities, God wanted them to fall for the snake, why would God want that?

The story is only mythical, a creation story, to try and interpret it literally makes a mockery of it and reveals it's illogical assumptions and fairytale mechanics.

2) Nakedness
Why were they ashamed of being naked, and how did they know what clothes were? God must have showed them what clothes were *and* also programmed in to their instincts the instinct that being naked was shameworthy. Why would God do that, if there is nothing wrong with nakedness? If there is something wrong with nakedness, why did God create them naked, when animals at least have a covering of fur?!

This God appears to be somehwat confusing! Creating the emotions of shame, gullobility and disloyalty into it's "perfect" creations! Why did God create people with such a poor set of traits?

The answer is: If God is perfect, the people portrayed in the story of Adam and Eve were not created by God.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 24th, 2004 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

There was know Apple, The Bible never tells anything of an Apple.
The making of Woman was from the curve of DNA. The Rib is just an
example of a curve. The placement of the Fig leaves was to cover the
parts used to create the sin. Intercourse with the unclean man or the
Devil, was the sin. Other wise they would have wore a mask, or something to that affect. When Eve was conceived by Satin, She then
offered it to Adam. There was two seeds conceived, Cain and Able were twins. God split the seeds, one the seed of Able was of the Godly
the seed of Cain was corrupt. Look in the Bible there is know lineage
from Adam that says Cain was from his line.
Be careful my friend, the Bible can back up everything. It is your interpetation that is wrong. My knowledge is small. But you need help. What can you disprove. Now even science is proving the Bible is
correct.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 12th, 2004 02:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

you are confused. how do you get an affair with satan and a curve of DNA from a fruit? the bible clearly says that the FRUIT of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden. God's word is exactly that, God's word. it isn't written in a secret code that has to be translated in 50 different languages to make sense. Most people who twist the words of the bible usually mean to make it seem as though the bible was written in their favor so that they will not feel guilty for certain things they have done and they will not have to be submissive to a superior being. all you really need to do to understand the bible is read it and pray that God will help you to apply it to your life.
thanks
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 26th, 2005 12:19 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

Why would God make his creation so as to never disobey him? that would make them robots. If I was in charge of making something, I'd make sure it was intelligent. I don't want a family of robots to keep me company... I want a family to love and for them to love me... willingly. That is why God created Adam and Eve with the choice and as you say "gulliblness" which led them to sin.
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 21st, 2006 06:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

Hi, I'm not that knowledgeable of the texts of the Bible or about the stories of Adam and Eve. But, to my understanding, I think God created Adam and Eve similar to other animals: innocent and pure (also gullible). It was the serpent who corrupted their minds and persuaded them to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It was after eating the fruit of knowledge that Adam and Eve were embarrassed of their nakedness, it was after they had "knowledge" and became civilized.

This God appears to be somehwat confusing! Creating the emotions of shame, gullobility and disloyalty into it's "perfect" creations! Why did God create people with such a poor set of traits?

To my understanding, God is not confused, He created Adam and Eve just as he did with any other creature on Earth: innocent and pure which makes them gulloble. God did not create emotions of shame and disloyalty. Shame came after Adam and Eve ate the fruit, disloyalty came from the innocence in being persuaded by the serpent. I think that God did create something "perfect," but what He created was corrupted by other "imperfect" things.

vexen From: vexen Date: October 7th, 2003 11:48 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

The continents are the shapes they are due to large scale forces - I don't know where you're from, but here we study it in geography at school. It's simple, and doesn't require a god to make it work.

Your argument is that because of the scale and laws of nature, that God exists? If there was a God, why would it use such complex methods and such a huge universe, just to create a small amount of life on a small planet? You'd think God would be a little less messy and somewhat more efficient!

Right, granted you say you can "see" gods miracles in people, why is it that such sight is not granted to me, but is granted to you?

I think it has more to do with psychology, than reason!
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 13th, 2004 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

first i would like to say that christians see miracles because we look for them. healing of the deaf fo instance: i was born partially deaf, for five years i could barely hear anything and did not even know that rain made noise, it was a miracle that modern hearing aids were invented and now i can hear just as if i were born perfectly normal. there are also procedures that allow blind people to see. granted their vision is not 20/20 but those who have undergone this surgery are no longer blind. about atheism, i think it improbable that in all the mass chaos of the big bang and other atheist and evolutionist theories that somehow all the atmospheric gases just happened to form a perfect mixture so precise that if the mixtures were disporportionate by merely 1 percent, we would all die. some evolutionists say that all animals are connected by similar traits which make them look alike or liken them to each other in some other way and offer this as proof for a common ancestor, but would you not consider this proof of a common creator, instead? the complexities and beauty of nature are so because of one reason: God, our creator, made all these things so that he could make us. he loves us and is a jealous god. this does not mean that he is envious but he is jealous in the literal sense of the word, that is he had something (us) that he loved and he did not want to loose us. by making the universe and everything that is in it, he gives both himself and us something pretty to look at, and also shows us that he is a God capable of doing things of great power far beyond the expanse of our imaginative comprehension and he still loves us even though we are so small compared to the rest of his creations. that is exactly why he sent his son to die for us. when he creayed Adam, he saw that he was lonely, and he did not want him to be lonely, so he created eve. God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden because he wanted us to have a choice, free will. when eve heard the serpent speaking, she being new, it did not occur to her that a serpent was not supposed to talk. it was actually Adam that sinned because he knew for a fact that he shouldn't eat the fruit, but eve was decieved. because God is holy, untainted, apart from sin, he was separated from Adam and Eve because they sinned. God did not want to be separated for us, but the only way was to offer a perfect sacrafice, we are not sure why bloodshed was required for forgiveness of sin, but i believe that it was because bloodshed was needed to cover the shame and nakedness of Adam and Eve (he covered them with animal skin), but god saw no one on earth who was perfect, so he sent his only son, Jesus to earth. because Jesus was in perfect communion in God, he was perfect and he gave his life to save us. his blood was sacraficed to cover all sins past, present, and future. now all you have to do to be perfect and therefore be in communion with god is accept Jesus' sacrafice and allow him to be lord of your life so that he can guide you through the times when you are temted by sin. and that is the whole story. after all, isn't it better to look at yourself as someone who is loved by the god who created the universe by merely speaking instead as just a thing that just happened to be mutated by something of nature?
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 8th, 2006 12:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

Did they have orignal sins
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 20th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: adam & eve (your understanding)

Amen
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