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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 24th, 2003 04:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

Logical on flaws of Christian belief

Very good article.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 1st, 2004 04:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Knowing God

The way to know God before Christ's incarnation(God the Son becoming man)was through the law of the old testament, in keeping it's strict laws was the way to please God and to know Him.Those who worshiped and kept the law of the one true God would be saved. However there are verses in the bible that say that people will be judged according to the light they have recieved. So those who had never heard of God were judged differently. Everyone has a conscience and everyone knows right from wrong and so I believe they would have been judged according to that. Now, A.D., however, most people have heard of Jesus and so are accountable if they reject Him. Jesus died for our sins as God is good and being good means being just and punishing evil. But because God is good, he is also gracious and so in Jesus death the demand for justice was met as Jesus took our punishment and Grace was shown to us, those who follow Christ, as he paid our penalty for us. When Christ died, his death counted for all time, even for those people who lived before his incarnation, that's why one may argue that people had life then and that all of creation and humanity wasn't done awaty with, but given the chance to follow God, in the Old Testament through obseving the strict laws and through the New Testament through faith in Christ and following him.
How could could God allow his own Son to die you may say? Well, many people forget or don't realise how painful it must have been for God the Father to watch his own Son murdered! So, Jesus, is not the only one who suffered. Also, for people to be saved from Hell which is total seperation from Go. Which is in fact seperation from Love, Life, Joy, Laughter, Peace and well being which onlt leaves pain to endure, pain without relief. God desperately did not want us to endure that for eternity, and so wanted to spare us that, and the only way was through his death.( Jesus is God also, Father, Son(JESUS)and Holy Spirit, make up God). The good news is that Jesus defeated Hell and is seated with God the father. You say how did God allow him to suffer, the answer was it was the only way! And Jesus was willing to make the sacrife rather than lose us for eternity. You cause God to suffer everytime you reject all he has done for you. Imaging you gave your life or lost a limb in order to save somebody and they rejected you, even denied it ever happened, after what you had suffered for them, that is what you are doing.
To conclude; It is only natural to question things, but know that God loves you, so much so that he would rather go to Hell for you than to heaven without you. Which he did do, but in victory overcame.
God bless you and I hope you will one day choose God!
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 23rd, 2004 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
and thinking themselves wise they became fools.heretics.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 27th, 2004 06:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

God Help You

I stumbled upon your page while reading about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I was disgusted with the article and found no factual evidence in it to prove what you say to be true. There is, however, numerous historical accounts of Jesus Christ and his crucifixion that not only prove that Jesus was truly divine, but also that he was crucified. There are also medical descriptions that prove that Jesus' death on the cross could have and did occur in hours rather than days. For instance, the beating that Jesus endured was far worse than that of a normal crucifixion. Jesus suffered from massive blood and tissue loss due to the severe lashings, the crown of thorns being placed on his head, which caused severe bleeding, and carrying the cross (although only for a short time) only added to the plethra of wounds that Jesus had already suffered. Why don't you read an account of an actual crucifixion by a real doctor and they will show this to be a fact. And even if Jesus did not die the physical death, He possessed the power to give up His spirit unto the Father, which the Gospels account; (Luke 23:46) Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. It was at this time that Jesus chose to leave His human body, the time that He chose. I know that it may be difficult to not question some of the teachings of the Bible, that is where faith comes into play. Please reevaluate you faith and your beliefs, and give Jesus a chance to work his miracle of love in your life.
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 3rd, 2004 05:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
THAT WAS JUST SAD!! "God did not need the crucifixion for any other reason than public relations." WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. YOUR REASONING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ARTICAL WAS PATHETIC. YOU NEED HELP!!!
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: March 5th, 2004 11:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Then please enlighten me and other readers with your own correcting logic and thoughts, shouting only makes you look immature and desperate. Assuming that "I need help" and that you're a god-fearing do-gooder, why don't you try to help rather than throwing a hissy fit?
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 1st, 2004 04:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

God still loves you

religion is all about faith, so using logic and whatever other so called evidence you have to contradict what Christians believe in is sad to be honest. I 've noticed people responding to what you've written with anger, I'm not going to do that because to be honest i really do pitty you if you feel that livng by fact, logic and the scientifically explained fulfills you.

I haven't even taken the time to read your article because non believers tend to use the same arguments and it gets old after a while. All i can say is that despite your lack of faith, God loves you so much. And you shouldn't be so quick to deny that Jesus died for our sins, as it's people like you who he died for the most. Also, you need to hear through faith a little more, it's slightly cowardly to use fact and logic to back your arguments up all the time. Once you've opened your hear a little, i suggest that you read Proverbs chapters 1-3.

take care, and i hope you try to focus your writing on something more positive in the future.
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 18th, 2004 10:50 am (UTC) (Link)
You're an idiot
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 28th, 2004 07:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Crucifixion of Christ

If all that you say is so true then why is the Bible the most known and most bought book in the world, where would all the accounts come from if its all fake and never happened. Go watch the passion of Christ you idiot!!!
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: March 28th, 2004 09:40 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Crucifixion of Christ

Maybe because everyone believes it, it must be true? If that was true, we would still think the world was flat, the sun rotated around the Earth, etc... unfortunately for religions, modern knowledge displaces ancient beliefs. Tough shit for the believers... time to move on, dude, and face the facts.
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 29th, 2004 05:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Christ died for You Vexen

I am sorry to hear that some people did not respond in a kind fashion to your comments about the crucifixion. I wish that you would trust in the Eternal Son of God, Jesus Christ so that you could experience the forgiveness of sins and eternal life and real joy and be released from your unfortunate anomosity.

I must say that I wish you had some solid support for your claims. Even a casual reading of the Old Testament would recognize that the Savior, Immanuel, Messiah, King was coming. They knew who Jesus was. He was known long before His birth. Read Luke 1 - 3. Mary, Elizabeth and Simeon knew that the long awaited hope of the world had finally come. This is why he says, "Mine eyes have seen thy salvation." It was perfect timing. "But when the fulness of time was come, God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law."

Please consider some honest research. Your thoughts are emotional and only based upon your ideas. However, your ideas are only as good as the next guys. Why would anyone buy into what you believe? It is wise to have a source of faith. The Word of God could open up your eyes. You only do not believe because you choose not to believe.

Sincerely,

Rev. Bryan Samms
Ringgold, LA
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: March 30th, 2004 11:30 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christ died for You Vexen

The Jews are still waiting for the saviour detailed in the Old Testament to arrive; there were many self-proclaimed and indirectly nominated saviours in first century Judea, only some Jews accepted that the stories been told about someone called Jesus were true, the majority rejected them, and NT accounts actually tell us of some of these "false prophets", as do Roman sources.

That you accept one of these false prophets is a problem for you to solve and confirm with evidence or argument - the ball is in your court - so try me...
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 1st, 2004 01:22 am (UTC) (Link)

MISPLACED HOPE

When God created us He gave us 'free will' and we can live any kind of life we want to .. However, if our hope is not centered on Jesus Christ .. our soul isn't anchored there .. When Christ was crucified it wasn't merely another death of another man with no saving significance .. His death had a purpose .. God sent His Son to die for each one of us because He loved us ..
Romans 5:8.. 'God demonstrates His own love for us in this .. While we were still sinners Christ died for us' ..
THERE IS NO OTHER HOPE.. Why don't you trust Christ as your Saviour.. He will take your life and make it anew ... Kay Murray
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 6th, 2004 09:33 am (UTC) (Link)

You needs help

You are insane, the old testament foretells us of Jesus, in that time they have lived by the Law which is the ten commandments. Jesus came and died for our sins now we are living by grace he has sum up the law of the old testament "Love thy neighbour as thyself. The bible said he came to his own and they rejected him (the Jews was his own what did they do they have rejected Christ and crucified him). It is very sad that you and the Jews are still waiting for the messiah when you have crucified him, and is driving down the nails in his hand each day that you are rejecting him.

I felt sorry for you, but it is not to late surrender your life to Jesus and he will see you through. Have you ever seriously thing why God took on humanity left his glory and came down to earth died for us, such great love I will be praying for you. God bless and keep you.