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| From: (Anonymous) |
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December 9th, 2002 09:33 am (UTC)
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Astronomical events
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I've read this in quite a few sources and think you should check it out to make sure all your facts are right on this page.
Astronomical records show that there were conjunctions of Saturn, Jupiter, and Mars in the years 7-6 BC. In 7 BC, the world saw a triple conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in an event occurring only once every 125 years. Then early in 6 BC, Jupiter and Saturn grouped close to the planet Mars, a configuration repeated only once every 805 years. Later in the spring of 6 BC Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn also formed an unusually close grouping. Ancient astrologers believed that the area of the sky named Pisces where these conjunctions occurred contained signs pertinent to the Hebrew nation, so it is possible that the "Magi", blending a knowledge of Old Testament prophecies about a Messiah with heavenly observations (Numbers 24.17), were led to seek the predicted king in the Land of Israel.
Libran Lady
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From: vexen |
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December 14th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
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Re: God still Loves you.
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Let's make some assumptions: 1) You're right; I'm silly & ignorant, and if I don't become intelligent or wise then I'll pay the consequences. If that is the case, then: I do not want to spend eternity, or any amount of time, with a god that would condemn me for my lack of knowledge or sense. God is not forgiving, good or just if it condemns me for my lack of knowledge or for me being confused. I would rather suffer than condone the actions of such an immoral god: Does it condemn all others who don't see the "information and evidence"? Does God condemn people because of the health of their intellect? If that is so, then your god is malignant, and you're a servant of pain and death. If that isn't so, then if I were you I'd be more concerned about your own confusion than other peoples. God might have you in the palm of its hand, but if it's the god that you just showed me then it's your own worst nightmare. Now, let's not make any assumptions and return to reality: 2) There is no god. http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/god_experience.html
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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October 8th, 2006 11:51 pm (UTC)
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Slavonic Josephus and the star of Bethlehem
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The birth of Jesus has three different dates according to the New Testament. Luke placed the date at 6 AD, at the census (Luke 2:1-3) and at 2 BC per the calculation of John the Baptist's arrival less thirty years (Luke 3:1 and 3:23). Matthew placed the date at the end of Herod the Great's reign, or from 9-4 BC. Obviously, there is a consistency problem with the Gospel accounts. However, most scholars come to the conclusion that Jesus was born in 9-4 BC. This dating is dependent on the "star of Bethlehem" story. The only other account of the "star of Bethlehem" comes from the Slavonic Josephus. This account placed the birth in the early years of Herod, around 25 BC. The "star of Bethlehem" may have been a Christian story, not an historical reality. This story may have had its origin in the Star Prophecy, where many Jews believed that a world ruler would come from Israel. (Josephus attributed the Star Prophecy to Vespasian.) In reality, the "star of Bethlehem" story has two possible dates. Most follow Matthew, who placed the time towards the end of Herod the Great's rule (9-4 BC). I follow the Slavonic Josephus, which dates this story about 20 years earlier, from 30-25 BC. The earlier dating has the following advantages: 1. According to Epiphanius, James, the brother of Jesus, died at the age of 96 in 62 AD. This would have yielded a birth date of 35 BC. This advanced age may be an exaggeration as the same church historian stated that James died a virgin. According to Paul, James was a married man. So, it is very possible that 96 years old is a slight stretch. However, James was probably a very old man at his death (80-96?). The birth of Jesus in 30-25 BC fits in quite nicely with James' age. 2. The Slavonic Josephus placed the beginning of John the Baptist's ministry at 6 AD, during the reign of Archelaus. This John was very fiery, the same as in the Gospels. However, the Slavonic version stated that John preached a nationalism identical to Judas the Galilean. The placement of the John passage was right before Josephus claimed that Judas the Galilean was a preacher different than all the others. Josephus also called Judas a wise man and a clever rabbi. (Josephus never said a word about Jesus!) 3. If Judas the Galilean was born about 25 BC, then he would have been 30 years old at the census uprising (6 AD and the introduction of John). At least, the earlier scenario about Jesus' (Judas the Galilean's) birth fits the other facts (James, John the Baptist and the age 30).
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