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"Jesus Did Not Exist" by Vexen Crabtree

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From: (Anonymous) Date: March 6th, 2010 06:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

Prophecies

Sorry but Prophecies have been happening ever since
the bible has been written.

Revelations talks about a "One world order. A one World currancy!"
so does Obama want that.

Hmm.

I also have seen satan and stood toe to toe with him.

Good luck in your searches...
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 28th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

"No historical evidence"

Yep, Jesus has no Historical Evidence except for the Evidence in the Bible. And I know that you will immediately deny all evidence from the Bible. This was 2,000 years ago. Historical records from back then are entirely mixed up and fuzzy. There is very little USEFUL information from back in those days anyway. The lack of Jesus' historical evidence doesn't DISPROVE HIM. Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it is diproven. Those are two entirely different things.

P.S. I noticed the ""Notice! This user has turned on the option that logs IP addresses of anonymous posters"" thing. Creepy much?
vexen From: vexen Date: March 29th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: "No historical evidence"

1. Lack of evidence isn't the sole issue. It is compounded by the fact that the stories about Jesus flow perfectly on a continuum from pagan religions that predated Christianity; it is as if history continued to flow, stories continued to be told, and Jesus' name started to get used IN those stories; if you renamed Jesus to a different, pagan, name, it seems it would make no historical difference. This can only be the case if there was no real historical Jesus.

Also, the lack of knowledge of the first Christians of such things as Jesus' last words, where he was buried, when his birthday was, etc, seems very hard to reconcile with the existence of an actual historical Jesus.

They say that "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" but when there is no evidence where there should be some, then that counts as disconfirmation of a theory (see http://www.humantruth.info/science.html ). It is now your job to explain why this evidence is lacking, why early Christians didn't know basic information about Jesus, etc.

2. IP address information is not a threat (if I looked up an IP address, all I would find out is what service provider/company they use. Try it - my IP address is 82.17.63.116. I log IP addresses so that when a load of commercial spam hits my LJ entries, I can block that IP address.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 1st, 2010 06:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

jesus did exist

there is physical proof of this.

The blood that was shed on the cross was found by Ron Wyatt and he found the site where the ark of the covenant is and is today.

after jesus was crucified an earthquake split calvary straight down the middle splitting the mercy seat and the ark of the covenant that was underneath calvary. The blood samples taken from the site were "LIVING" the blood had chromosomes that none other human has ever had or has ever been documented.

if this is not enough proof than go to Ron Wyatt's website and buy his 3 disk dvd and this will bring you through the inside of the site inside the cave where Ron found the ark of the covenant

STOP POSTING STUPID THINGS LIKE THIS WITHOUT RESEARCH FIRST!!!
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 5th, 2010 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: jesus did exist

sorry i meant to say that every human has 46 chromosomes 23 from each parent the blood that was found about 20 some years ago was tested and Ron Wyatt (an amateur archeologist) went to a state of the art testing station and he asked for a chromosome count; now you cant usualy take 2000 year old blood and get a chromosome count so they thought Ron had some mental case, so they did the count they found 24 chromosomes in the blood 23 from Mary(Jesus' mother) and 1 from his father(God).


and there is more physical proof that was before Jesus i don't know if you've heard of Noah's ark... Ron Wyatt also found Noah's ark by taking some machines that detect for radiation and they found the radiation of the iron rods that were used in the construction of the Ark, the shape they discovered was the size and shape of the Ark there are also the balance stones that were used so that the boat would not capsize.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: April 7th, 2010 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
In your article you said that there is nothing in the bible that is written or comes from first person from Jesus. But, really there is. Some bible's have what Jesus spoke in red writing. Right there shows that you do not have all of the facts. If Christianity was not real it wouldn't of become this big. I myself am a believer of God and I've been raised up in a church. I'm only fifteen and God has put a huge calling on my life to be a doctor in Africa. I have an amazing relationship with God. I've felt him with me many times. He speaks to me. In order to know that Jesus is real you have to believe. If you doubt it then that's your opinion or choice.
vexen From: vexen Date: April 7th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Great calling, I hope you the best success with being a doctor in Africa - I serve in a different way but hopefully we can all do our best to help others and make the world a better place.

Your points:

1. I know about red-text bibles and have a few study books on Christology that include notes on Jesus' words in the Bible. Note that none of them are first-person witness accounts. Search the bible, and find me a sentence that says "Jesus and I walked to somewhere, where Jesus and I done something", etc. That would be first-person testimony. There is obviously nothing written by Jesus himself - although I find it very hard to understand why, if the Bible contains valuable truth, Jesus didn't just sit down and write it himself, and therefore save 200 years of book-burning, voting and competition between those who wanted different books put into the Bible.

2. Compare your statement to these ones: If Islam wasn't true, it wouldn't be so succesful. If atheism wasn't true, there wouldn't be so many atheists. If paganism wasn't true, it wouldn't have been the most popular religion. If animism wasn't true, most Human history wouldn't have been animist. All these statements are untrue: popular belief does not make something true. "If Christianity was not real it wouldn't of become this big" is untrue; all religions come and go. And, do not forget, that Christianity is so massively diverse, with so many varied and wild forms of Christianity, that it is probably best to consider it a long series of religions.

3. What I believe is not my opinion or choice; my beliefs are based on my judgement between different competing claims. Many mystics claim they are in touch with the gods of their religions, tell me, why should I take their claims any more seriously than yours? Before you answer with stories, miracles and scripture, please know that many other religions have exactly the same claims. How can I pick between them?

So, Mr Fifteen, I hope that you use this interaction with me as a chance to further your study of religion, it sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 9th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
the bible is 2000 years old but today we are seeing everything unfolding... the US economy will colapse then everything will colapse then the anti-christ will come in and rule for 7 years and then for 7 years there will be disease and famine in the land.... if you dont believe that christ died for your sins and you asked for forgivness then the bible says your going to hell

I also noticed that theres a link for vexen's satanist site if you are christian don't listen to this guy because satanists all they do is try to make God look bad that just makes satanist that much worse.

God created satan and he can destroy satan just as easily if you really want people to believe in stanism dont make God look bad because he created you and can take you out just as easily... oh wait you cant because thats your belief... christians lift up the name of God a lot more than they make satan look bad... satanists on the other hand make God look bad more then they worship satan.... do the math...

The revelation says that that all unbelievers will go to hell and burn in the lake of fire.

Jesus said in revelation 1:11 "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last... satan will be destroyed when Jesus comes back

making God look bad will only make your judgement in heaven worse.

From: (Anonymous) Date: April 10th, 2010 03:52 am (UTC) (Link)

your whole page

Jesus didn't exist? Are you fucking stupid besides the Bible, the Koran says he existed, and many other historical books said he did too; so your logic and findings are just bullshit you made up to convince you and other idiots like you that he didn't. Whether he was the son of God or just a man who preached to people about his ideas to say he didn't exist is beyond, I hope you get out of your world of denial.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 14th, 2010 01:55 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: your whole page

haha i aint listening to some blasphemous people like you because you are leading people to hell

and if your a satanist which most likely you are or you wouldn't have commented against my post you are only trying to bring down christians to burn in the lake of fire or sulfur

if you were speaking truth you wouldn't be swearing and you would be calm and have really really good facts. which in your last comment had NO facts just persecution of the christian faith without facts.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: June 29th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Jesus Did Not Exist

CHECKMATE.
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 28th, 2010 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

You mis-speak or quote someone who did.

The writer of the gospel according to John claims to be the "disciple whom Jesus loved" who was at the cross (see John 21:24).
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 17th, 2010 12:19 am (UTC) (Link)

One day youl'll know.

Satan has entered into you. But Our Lord Jesus will come and tell you, just as He did to Saul "Why are you persecuting Me?"
Then you'll go blind for 3 days, until you plead with Jesus to free you from your ordeal. Then you'll know that JESUS IS LORD.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 24th, 2011 12:25 am (UTC) (Link)

Solution To World's Problems

1900- 1.6 Billion People,
2011- 6.9 Billion People,
111 years- 5.3 Billion People,
Solution- Stop Creating Children,
The life you save just might be the one you don't create.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaG9SDxwPBg
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 3rd, 2011 01:15 am (UTC) (Link)

Interesting

Well done on your article, but it should be referenced better.
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 1st, 2011 11:51 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Interesting

In the latest and seemingly most accurate translation of the bible..New International Bible, It refers to Jesus as being Greek!!! Makes sense with the rest of the mythological story
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 8th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Christ Myth

Only a radical fringe of even secular scholarship contends Jesus never existed.

The pagan copycat Christ theory is also radical fringe, due to the fact that the claims are not corroborated by any ancient sacred texts of those religions, with very few, remotely interpreted exceptions.

The burden of proof is on the skeptic to show the gospels were anonymous, since the scrolls were titled most of the time. So for example, down through the lineage of manuscript copies, the outside or top of the scroll of Matthew's gospel would say "Matthew" on it in Koine Greek.
vexen From: vexen Date: December 13th, 2011 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christ Myth

The Pagan Jesus idea has been documented comprehensively with historical evidence, from Christian, Pagan and secular roman sources. A massive compendium of historical documents are reviewed by Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy in "The Jesus Mysteries".
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 9th, 2012 06:43 am (UTC) (Link)

really?

if you have been reading some of these comments i would firstly like to state that cathlic is NOT christiany. and also have you seen the comments posted by nonchrishians? negative negative negative. seriously do you WANT to be like these guys? or like the christians that are being nice and positive? i know jesus lived so dont rain on my parade. what do you have agients jesus anyways? he toght everything good and right. and i hate all these people saying : ohhh that book has been disproved this thing is outdated blah blah blah. who proved that is was outdated? show me. all you have to do is pray for him to come into your heart and boom! you get to go to heaven and live forever. jesus STILL loves you even after what you posted about him :)
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 23rd, 2012 04:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Tell them!

As a scientist, I am forced to make empirical judgements based on real hard evidence. I applaud you and your thinking.

Only one comment on your page, out mention the 'book of Revelations', it should read 'book of Revelation'.

Just clarifying the data presented.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 26th, 2012 05:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Pagan Myths

The story of Jesus is like any other pagan myths of a super hero. Everything about Jesus is based on hearsay from people long after Jesus purported crucifixion. Nazareth was aplace that never existed. As famous as they said he was during his lifetime, there as nothing about Jesus and nobody during that period ever wrote anything about him?. Everything that was wrtitten about him were were hearsay from people who live long after his so called death. Paul of Tarsus never even met Jesus. Any claim based on hearsay not evidence can not hold in court. Martin Luther even said, What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."isf its a lie that does food people then why change it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 1st, 2012 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)

jesus is alive

Historical Jesus

Still, to put to rest the notion that there is no historic and scientific proof of Jesus outside the Bible, we may look to Jewish historian Flavius Josephus and to Roman historian Carius Cornelius Tacitus - both well known and accepted.

Josephus, in the book Jewish Antiquities" wrote:

"At that time lived Jesus, a wise man, if he may be called a man; for he performed many wonderful works. He was a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. . . .And when Pilate, at the instigation of the chief men among us, had condemned him to the cross, they who before had conceived an affection for him did not cease to adhere to him. For on the third day he appeared to them alive again, the divine prophets having foretold these and many other wonderful things concerning him. And the sect of the Christians, so called from him, subsists at this time" (Antiquities, Book 18, Chapter 3, Section 1).

Tacitus, in writing about accusations that Nero burned the city of Rome and blamed it on Christians, said the following:

". . .Nero procured others to be accused, and inflicted exquisite punishment upon those people, who were in abhorrence for their crimes, and were commonly known by the name of Christians. They had their denomination from Christus (Christ, dm.), who in the reign of Tibertius was put to death as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate. . . .At first they were only apprehended who confessed themselves of that sect; afterwards a vast multitude discovered by them, all of which were condemned, not so much for the crime of burning the city, as for their enmity to mankind. . . ." (Tacitus, Annals, 15, 44).


I bless all of You in the Awesome name of Jesus Christ the Son of God!


From: (Anonymous) Date: November 3rd, 2012 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

Jesus - a creation

I to have a doubt..Jesus may not be the GOD man..the stories were woven around him, by taking Hindu God Lord Krishna, who was shepard too, on his birth his maternal uncle Kansha, killed all the new born children. The seven angels on the sky are the " Sapta Rishi" Seven Stars. Somewhere Lord Krishna were incorporated into Jesus Christ. Also, there is similarity of the name Yashoda (Mother)-Krish'na (son). may be someone visited India, got the story, told all at bethlehem, later on they found a may be Jesus was an a good soul..like Lord Krishna. Cricification and resurrection was added later on by few disciples, to entrap the followers. I belief, the Lord Krishna myth has something to do with the existence of Jesus Christ. Followers of Christanity have fought world wars, thrown atomb bombs, killed Lincoln and Kennedy, how do we expext a miracle or change of life, by following Christ. its all falsehood.
PrayForRachel From: PrayForRachel Date: February 19th, 2013 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

"Jesus Did Not Exist"

Genesis 1:14: "And God said, 'Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark sacred times, and days and years.'" The fact that the sun "dies" during the winter solstice, wears a corona, has 12 constellations, etc. just proves Genesis 1:14 to be true.
vexen From: vexen Date: February 19th, 2013 08:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Jesus Did Not Exist"

No it only proves that the author of Genesis had seen the sun, and was brought up in Mesopotamia, where it was universally held that the skies were divided into 12 portions.
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