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From:  vexen |
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March 29th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
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Re: "No historical evidence"
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1. Lack of evidence isn't the sole issue. It is compounded by the fact that the stories about Jesus flow perfectly on a continuum from pagan religions that predated Christianity; it is as if history continued to flow, stories continued to be told, and Jesus' name started to get used IN those stories; if you renamed Jesus to a different, pagan, name, it seems it would make no historical difference. This can only be the case if there was no real historical Jesus. Also, the lack of knowledge of the first Christians of such things as Jesus' last words, where he was buried, when his birthday was, etc, seems very hard to reconcile with the existence of an actual historical Jesus. They say that "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" but when there is no evidence where there should be some, then that counts as disconfirmation of a theory (see http://www.humantruth.info/science.html ). It is now your job to explain why this evidence is lacking, why early Christians didn't know basic information about Jesus, etc. 2. IP address information is not a threat (if I looked up an IP address, all I would find out is what service provider/company they use. Try it - my IP address is 82.17.63.116. I log IP addresses so that when a load of commercial spam hits my LJ entries, I can block that IP address.
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From: vexen |
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April 7th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
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Great calling, I hope you the best success with being a doctor in Africa - I serve in a different way but hopefully we can all do our best to help others and make the world a better place. Your points: 1. I know about red-text bibles and have a few study books on Christology that include notes on Jesus' words in the Bible. Note that none of them are first-person witness accounts. Search the bible, and find me a sentence that says "Jesus and I walked to somewhere, where Jesus and I done something", etc. That would be first-person testimony. There is obviously nothing written by Jesus himself - although I find it very hard to understand why, if the Bible contains valuable truth, Jesus didn't just sit down and write it himself, and therefore save 200 years of book-burning, voting and competition between those who wanted different books put into the Bible. 2. Compare your statement to these ones: If Islam wasn't true, it wouldn't be so succesful. If atheism wasn't true, there wouldn't be so many atheists. If paganism wasn't true, it wouldn't have been the most popular religion. If animism wasn't true, most Human history wouldn't have been animist. All these statements are untrue: popular belief does not make something true. "If Christianity was not real it wouldn't of become this big" is untrue; all religions come and go. And, do not forget, that Christianity is so massively diverse, with so many varied and wild forms of Christianity, that it is probably best to consider it a long series of religions. 3. What I believe is not my opinion or choice; my beliefs are based on my judgement between different competing claims. Many mystics claim they are in touch with the gods of their religions, tell me, why should I take their claims any more seriously than yours? Before you answer with stories, miracles and scripture, please know that many other religions have exactly the same claims. How can I pick between them? So, Mr Fifteen, I hope that you use this interaction with me as a chance to further your study of religion, it sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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October 1st, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
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jesus is alive
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Historical Jesus
Still, to put to rest the notion that there is no historic and scientific proof of Jesus outside the Bible, we may look to Jewish historian Flavius Josephus and to Roman historian Carius Cornelius Tacitus - both well known and accepted.
Josephus, in the book Jewish Antiquities" wrote:
"At that time lived Jesus, a wise man, if he may be called a man; for he performed many wonderful works. He was a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. . . .And when Pilate, at the instigation of the chief men among us, had condemned him to the cross, they who before had conceived an affection for him did not cease to adhere to him. For on the third day he appeared to them alive again, the divine prophets having foretold these and many other wonderful things concerning him. And the sect of the Christians, so called from him, subsists at this time" (Antiquities, Book 18, Chapter 3, Section 1).
Tacitus, in writing about accusations that Nero burned the city of Rome and blamed it on Christians, said the following:
". . .Nero procured others to be accused, and inflicted exquisite punishment upon those people, who were in abhorrence for their crimes, and were commonly known by the name of Christians. They had their denomination from Christus (Christ, dm.), who in the reign of Tibertius was put to death as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate. . . .At first they were only apprehended who confessed themselves of that sect; afterwards a vast multitude discovered by them, all of which were condemned, not so much for the crime of burning the city, as for their enmity to mankind. . . ." (Tacitus, Annals, 15, 44).
I bless all of You in the Awesome name of Jesus Christ the Son of God!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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November 3rd, 2012 03:55 pm (UTC)
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Jesus - a creation
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I to have a doubt..Jesus may not be the GOD man..the stories were woven around him, by taking Hindu God Lord Krishna, who was shepard too, on his birth his maternal uncle Kansha, killed all the new born children. The seven angels on the sky are the " Sapta Rishi" Seven Stars. Somewhere Lord Krishna were incorporated into Jesus Christ. Also, there is similarity of the name Yashoda (Mother)-Krish'na (son). may be someone visited India, got the story, told all at bethlehem, later on they found a may be Jesus was an a good soul..like Lord Krishna. Cricification and resurrection was added later on by few disciples, to entrap the followers. I belief, the Lord Krishna myth has something to do with the existence of Jesus Christ. Followers of Christanity have fought world wars, thrown atomb bombs, killed Lincoln and Kennedy, how do we expext a miracle or change of life, by following Christ. its all falsehood.
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