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Jesus did not exist

"Jesus Did Not Exist" by Vexen Crabtree

Jesus and history...

(Anonymous)

2007-04-13 01:30 am (UTC)

Actually, Jesus very well did exist. Lets start with the Qumran library where at least 12 biblical manuscripts are being featured, including the famous "dead sea scrolls" discovered in 1947. Yes, research has proven these to be factual, not fake, or replicas.
Also, there are many historians who have written accounts of Jesus....look at some of his 12 disciples. we have 4 books from them, all from the same time period, all with their distinct styles of writing, none of them contradicting each other. Also, there were prophecies of the birth of a man named Jesus from bethlehem hundreds of years before, and those came true. (isaiah)
Also, look at archaology. There is much proof of a worldwide flood, such as layers of different kinds of rock and soils are apparent as you dig. Also, there are different accounts of a worldwide flood by the babylonians, the aegeans, the egyptians, and several others.
To deny the life of a very prominent man proves someone obviously did not do their research. Also, i see no sources for this essay.

Re: Jesus and history...

(Anonymous)

2007-04-13 01:38 am (UTC)

i am the same writer as above...and i have more to add...have you ever heard of the council of nicea? 325 Ad....hundreds of prominent reigious men in europe got together to finally purge out impurities within the divine texts, and settled on the bible. yes, catholics, and protestants alike, got togehter and agreed on the bible, although some catholics still use the rejected books(the apocrypha) even though they are inconsistent with the other books.
but think about this....325 years after the records of Jesus, this group got together. 325 years is a lot closer than 2007, so 1st off i think they would not have even bothered getting together if there was no historical record of Jesus. So they most definately had proof of jesus, and they agreed on a canon for the texts; the bible.
there is soooo much more evidence, but i will stop with this....in jesus' time, herod kept records of the people (a census), and jesus was on it.
Look this up for yourself from reiable sources, not blog sites from random people with no credibility.

Re: Jesus and history...

vexen

2007-04-13 06:38 am (UTC)

Mua ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

"catholics, and protestants alike, got togehter and agreed on the bible"

Luther founded Protestantism in the 16th century! Also, the Council of Nicea wasn't the final and only canonisation attempt, Marcion had done a similar thing beforehand, and others continued to use various bible versions afterwards. What we now call Orthodoxy, or Proto-Orthodox, are the ones that got together and voted on the books of the bible, from the hundreds that were on offer.

Do you know what the Church Fathers found when they went looking for the historical origins of Christianity in the 4th century? In some places they looked, they found god-man pagans such as Mithraists, and in others they found Gnostic Christians. When they found these people where they expected to find orthodox Christians, they tortured, silenced, imprisoned and killed them, and burnt their books ("Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman, "Jesus Mysteries" by Freke & Gandy [Book Review]).

Early Christians did not know where Jesus was buried, where he died, whether he died on a tree or a cross (and some Christians even thought he survived, and Judas (Jesus' twin brother, by some accounts) was crucified instead). They didn't know when he was born (Christmas wasn't institutionalized for hundreds of years), and all todays' dates of Easter and Christmas were based on pagan festivals of natural revival ('Easter' is even the name of a pagan god). Christians had to use these dates because they didn't know, right from the start, anything about Jesus. That's why most the stories about Jesus are copies of older stories about Bacchua, Mithras, etc, re-written.

Early Christians called these pre-Christian stories Satanic anticipations because they worried them so much!

The truth is that Christianity was a re-write of older pagan myths, and thats why the orthodox Christians couldn't find any orthodox Christians when they went looking. Stemming from St. Paul, it was once big laughable mistake!

Re: Jesus and history...

vexen

2007-04-13 06:27 am (UTC)

(1) No-one now thinks the dead sea scrolls were connected to Jesus ("Dead Sea Scrolls" by Stephen Hodge, 2001)

They were not fakes, but, none of the religious texts were originals either; they were all copies. Some bookkeeping documents (such as lists) were originals.

(2) The 12 disciples are mythical - various pagan god-men had 12 disciples because it represents the 12 signs of the zodiac ("Jesus Mysteries" by Freke & Gandy [Book Review]). The oldest manuscripts we have were not written by the disciples, they are all pseudipigraphical. The earliest Christian writings we have that mention Jesus are those of St. Paul ("Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman). No-other writer mentions Jesus for quite some time.

(3) It is ridiculous you think there was a worldwide flood - archaeologists, geologists, biologists and historians all believe that multiple-layered soil is caused by weather and tectonic shifts; we have masses of evidence to that effect, tied in with our knowledge of earthquakes and volcanoes. There are different accounts of *floods* such as Gilgamesh, but if there had been a worldwide flood there would be masses of evidence; including the fact that genetic stock and 99.9% of all life would have all been wiped out. It wasn't.

Try these from TalkOrigins.org, they are perfect for people like you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html - Flood Geology

See: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html - The Flood & Noah's ark.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html - Flood stories from around the world.

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