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Unforgivable sin and rejecting the Holy Spirit

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From: (Anonymous) Date: April 12th, 2004 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

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If there is no God and no heaven. If the evolution of the universe was an accident of something out of nothing. Then there is nothing. No reason to be. No reason to have been. Why Live? Why love? Why anything? If we are something, from nothing, just to become nothing again then why ever be? Maybe you and I don't exist. But here and now we do exist, so there has to be a reason or it is hopeless. Perhaps worse than that, it is non existent. I don't know about you but I am here and I always will be. It is not us that is nonexistent it is time. The here and now is all there is, all there ever was or will be. But atheism offers only nothingness. Where is the use in that! But even you have to recognize that here and now, this very moment, there is life or you would not be reading this. How does atheism answer that? If we never were and never will be then we must be dead or do you answer that we are alive and thus violating the fundamental laws of physics or are we dead? I have written this and you are reading it . We are not machines therefore we must be alive but I say atheism calls for us to be dead or non existent. Explain that to me, how the hell are we alive if we are nothing from nothing to be nothing. Why ever be.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 2nd, 2004 10:07 am (UTC) (Link)

Religion

Well...i'm just a girl that has been brought up in a free-spirited Christian family, however, i, myself am not a Christian... i am not a Satanist either nor a part of any other religion/non-religion. I believe in life after death. I believe that evil created good and good created evil. I am currently studying all religions and have come up with many theories as to what, I, myself believe. I would say what i believe fits into no particular religion or non/religion. Infact, one of my most believable theories is that what we believe is what is real for us...for example: if a scientist believes in only science and believes there is no life after death and his corpse will rot then so be it, that is what will happen, just as i believe people who have faith to live on will do so. I do not believe that hell is a lake of fire, nor heaven whatever it is described as.I think these are metaphors. I suppose, overall i believe in one certain thing right now. For all anyone knows, if there is a God, he could be just a guy on a computer game and we could be the simulations he has made...and just like we are both good and evil, so is he, although then there would be the question of his life like we question ours. Lastly, the thought of eternity is second in line to the strangest thought i have ever had, therefore, that is why i see sense when people do not want to or do not believe we live on. After all,Who knows...but it would be nice to talk to a Satanist who seems interested to find out every aspect of life and not just to rebel against white religions for the sake of it. I apologise if this is...too long a message. And just for the records - you have a nice name! Wheee! Namaarie... oh yeah...i think i may send you an email so please do reply if and when you can! heheh ^^
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 2nd, 2004 10:14 am (UTC) (Link)

girl_in_the_imaginary@hotmail.com

Well...i'm just a girl that has been brought up in a free-spirited Christian family, however, i, myself am not a Christian... i am not a Satanist either nor a part of any other religion/non-religion. I believe in life after death. I believe that evil created good and good created evil. I am currently studying all religions and have come up with many theories as to what, I, myself believe. I would say what i believe fits into no particular religion or non/religion. Infact, one of my most believable theories is that what we believe is what is real for us...for example: if a scientist believes in only science and believes there is no life after death and his corpse will rot then so be it, that is what will happen, just as i believe people who have faith to live on will do so. I do not believe that hell is a lake of fire, nor heaven whatever it is described as.I think these are metaphors. I suppose, overall i believe in one certain thing right now. For all anyone knows, if there is a God, he could be just a guy on a computer game and we could be the simulations he has made...and just like we are both good and evil, so is he, although then there would be the question of his life like we question ours. Lastly, the thought of eternity is second in line to the strangest thought i have ever had, therefore, that is why i see sense when people do not want to or do not believe we live on. After all,Who knows...but it would be nice to talk to a Satanist who seems interested to find out every aspect of life and not just to rebel against white religions for the sake of it. I apologise if this is...too long a message. And just for the records - you have a nice name! Wheee! Namaarie... oh yeah...i think i may send you an email so please do reply if and when you can! heheh ^^
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 9th, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

there is no good

Thomas Hobbes in Levithian, said that all men are debassed and evil, and left alone we would revert back toi the most haneous of ways. I couldnt agree with Hobbes more he should be God, may be he is
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 14th, 2005 11:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

tragedy

Read this for a definitive answer:

www.geocities.com/unforgivable2005

A tragedy of my own making. I'll never forgive myself.

Jon
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 31st, 2007 06:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Yikes

Oh my... when I read this I was all, 'Now... why does this sound exactly like me?'
I don't know... but I pray I haven't commited this sin, it scares me what God might do to me (really).
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 16th, 2008 05:02 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Yikes

I don't believe such a sin exist that cannot be forgiven. It is an interesting concept, in theory spiritual death may be possible but I don't think anyone who desires internal life will totally reject change. It's also quite possible (if the soul outlives the body) that their is actually no choice as to what happens to the soul after death, though spiritual death in my opinion would require one to truly desire death over eternal life. I don't think fear is nesscidcery. The fact that you fear suggest that you desire eternal life and therefore will achieve it. Notice I say achieve since I don't think everyone just dies and goes straight to Pleroma (Greek heaven)Possibly one can experience multiple lives before even coming to the point where a purgatorial transformation is possible. After long consideration of these concepts I feel fairly confident in them. If a an all forgiving God exist, I'm sure your forgiven, or an all forgiving God is non-existent.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 11th, 2009 11:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey Vex, I am a Born Again fundamentalist.
My little problem is how can you personally grieve the holy spirit beyond forgiveness without knowing him personally. Surely you would have to be a Christian first, then reject him totally. What athiest doesnt reject God?
eah, your soul is redeemable.
Why if I may ask, do you want to be rejected by something that you dont believe exists anyway.
Sounds a little, actually, alot silly to me
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: May 11th, 2009 01:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
"Evidence that if there is a God, it is an Evil One" by Vexen Crabtree (2003) explains my position: Given the state of the universe - the destruction, the massive coldness of space, and massive unsuitability for life, and the struggle-for-existence and suffering of natural life, plus the way planets suffer from constant earthquakes, comets, etc... all this means that if there is a God, it is an evil God. So of course, I reject such a god if it exists.

However you are right, and I don't believe in God anyway. I'm just making sure that if I'm wrong and such a creator exists, it is at least clear that I have issues with its style of management.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 12th, 2009 11:45 am (UTC) (Link)
My point was a little simpler than that
Try keep up. For you to commit an unforgivable sin, first you must be a Christian. Not a token Christian ala Catholic Presbyterian etc
But a true God loving fearing Christian. My point is that you, for all your desires, not beyond Christs redemptive blood and hence salvation.

destruction, coldness massive unsuitability for life, struggle-for-existence suffering of natural life, planets suffer from constant earthquakes, comets, ....
But alas here we are and blessed. I just had bacon and eggs in a croissant
Mate what a fantastic life. Now I am going to have a couple of beers and watch the IPL cricket
Cant wait to see you whinging Pohms lose the Ashes again.
Toodles, and God Bless
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: May 12th, 2009 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
"For you to commit an unforgivable sin, first you must be a Christian."

Know anything in scripture that backs that up? I ask because I don't think there is.

Enjoy your god, then, just know that I've chosen the moral path.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 12th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Free will. Yes, what a blessing to be able to choose
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 14th, 2009 12:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
The key to the issue is the word blasphemy
The word and its meaning is not as clear now as in earlier times.
Simply you cant Blaspheme as a non Jew or Christian as its not your God.

Its not a personal Blasphemy to use Christs name in vain, if you dont know Christ. To Christians it is, but not atheists
Go study the word Blasphemy, its to hard for me to explain over the keyboard, or, as to taking Christs name in vain? Different to Blasphemy.
I tried.
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