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| From: (Anonymous) |
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January 4th, 2011 07:47 am (UTC)
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Re: Mithraism and Christianity
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Jesus never said that he was god, or god's son this is out right blasphemy
that was uttered from the mouths of demons and those that were possesed by demons. however he did say that he did not come of his own but of he who sent him. jesus was question by Allah if he asked people to worship him and his mother, he said, Ya Allah, you know what is in my heart and i know not what is in the hearts of men for they do lie on me and my mother,for you know that we made no such claim. Message to the Christians as long as you continue to eat your gods flesh and drink his blood how can he save you! youre right, paul did not speak of himself, he spoke on behalf of the devil himself. Jesus son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of Allah. Note to all Christians. Salvation is not in a sacrificial blood drinking flesh eating ritual, nor in a suicidal god king who had to come down and pose as a human only to be killed by humans so he can save humans. you say that he did this to conquer death so that all who worship him may live again. if he had to conquer death then that means he did not create death and if he can succumb to death by the hands of men for three days. that means he is not god. And then if he was god and could have prevented himself from succumbing to death but did not. this means that he commited suicide. Oh Christians Salvation is in Islam and the law of Islam.
Please for your own sake and the sake of your children, accept Islam and avoid the testimony of jesus and his mother that is going to be against you
in the last days of Humanity.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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August 21st, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
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Hello Vexen,
I admire you interest in religious history and your journal. My only suggestion would be to use information from actual current Mithraic scholarship instead of the few sources you used. If you were to enter a debate with someone knowledgable about current Mithraism, you would be soundly defeated. Almost all current Mithraic scholarship rejects the idea that early Christianity was influenced by Mithraism. This is because there is absolutely no link between Iranian and Roman Mithraism. The only similarity is the name of the deity. While there was some ceremonial influence on the 4th century Church, it is far more likely that Roman Mithraism was influenced by Christianiy. This is because the earliest evidence we have of Mithraism in Rome is late first century, with most of the evidence from the second, third and fourth centuries. Paul's epistles had been in existence long before Mithraism was even in Rome. I'm not a right winged Christian or something like that, I'm just a guy who's interested in religious history like you. I have posted some links links that outline the current beliefs in Mithraic scholarship. One of the links is a rebuttal to some of the current misunderstandings of Mithraism and Christianity. Even though it was put together by a Christian, it is based on sound facts. Thanks for the great site!
http://www.well.com/~davidu/mithras.html
http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
Gordon, Richard. Image and Value in the Greco-Roman World. Aldershot: Variorum, 1996
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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January 20th, 2007 04:56 am (UTC)
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Two Relevant, Historical Points
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In 2005, Darrell W. Conder put out a new edition of "Might is Right or Survival of the Fittest" with a whole lot of great footnotes generously peppered throughout it regarding historical events, pagan religions, mythology, wars, famous/important men, etc.
Footnote number 50 says that "Hasidic Judaism teaches that 'Satan is but the extension of the left side of GGod Himself,' And that Zoroasterism and Gnosticism "taught that God and Satan were brothers, which is revealing since modern scholarship recognize that ancient Judaism borrowed much of its religious tradition when Jews were captives of the Babylonians and Persians."
It's funny to me that it took humans 1 million years on this earth, going from first believing the Sun was God to making up thousands of gods, until one day Zarathustra (1500-1700BCE) came along and declared there is only ONE God and POOF: monotheism was born and all hell broke loose.
Anyway, here's footnote #148 which has much more to do with this page:
"The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Communion wafer and wine, when consecrated, become the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. The church adopted this doctrine from the pre-Christian worship of the Persian god Mithra, whose rituals (including a "holy communion") are virtually identical to those found in primitive Christianity."
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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July 19th, 2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
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Mithra worship, Paul, and Christianity
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Some of your facts on mithra and constatine are correct, however on Pauls involvement, you are sadly mistaken. First of all, you can check the history books and see that Paul, formerly Saul, persecuted the christian church and he was a staunch follower of Judaism. He arrested members of the Christian church. Saul's coversion was real. Mithra was/is the God of Constatine! When Constatine prayed ( battle of the Milbene Bridge), he assumed that he received an answer from the Christian Savior( In this sign conquer - A Cross ) and he joined the Christian church without ever obeying, " You must be born again - St John ch 3 vs 1-7." He brought in his mithra traditions! But the Gospel, The Jewish Jesus is backed up by prophecy and history. Historians have called him a majician, charleton, and the like, but they all agree he existed which is the most important thing; That is proof outside the Bilbe!I am not a christian, I am a Spiritual Jew ( Roman ch 2 vs 28-29 ). I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God(Hebrew God). My belief is backed up by action!Also the Sabbath ends on Sunday and one can worship on Sunday!Mithra worship is real and many have been tricked into thinking they are worshiping the Jewish Jesus the Son of the living God, but they are not!They don't read and research and they are not seeking him. Most of them, like Constatine, want to do as they please and want Jesus to give them some money! The TRUE JEWISH JESUS, NONE OF YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. He has been portrayed as a liberal who accepts anyone, fags, lesbians, sinners,whoremongers etc..., yet he(Jesus) told Nicodenus, "You must be born again, of the water and the spirit(st.John ch3). And Romans ch.10vs9 is not the plan of salvation! If anyone wants to know more, contact me at nosaj3953@yahoo.com. J.Crosby and I'm out
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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February 22nd, 2011 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Mystry Religions and Christianity
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Christ was an historical personage, recently born in a well-known town of Judea, and crucified under a Roman governor, whose name figured in the ordinary official lists. Mithra was an abstraction, a personification not even of the sun but of the diffused daylight; his incarnation, if such it may be called, was supposed to have happened before the creation of the human race, before all history. The small Mithraic congregations were like masonic lodges for a few and for men only and even those mostly of one class, the military; a religion that excludes most of the human race bears no comparison to the religion of Christ. Mithraism was all comprehensive and tolerant of every other cult, the Pater Patrum himself was an adept in a number of other religions; Christianity was essential exclusive, condemning every other religion in the world, alone and unique in its majesty. Further, and probably the most damaging, there is simply no evidence that the mystery religions exerted any influence in Palestine in the first three decades of the first century. The manuscrip evidence we have shows that the teachings of Jesus and Paul are those given in the New Testament and the availability of ancient text prior to 300 AD are extensive. Also when the Mysteries of these religions finally began to borrow from Christianity and come up with religious expressions like Gnosticism the early Church vigorously renounced them as pagan myths. The complete lack of resulting syncretism is difficult to explain if Christianity was ultimately a derivative of such paganism? As the Apostle Peter emphasized in the first century "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of this majesty." (2 Peter 1:16) Anyone who has done a serious study of the Mystery Religions will see that they are so radically different from Historic Christianity that Mythraism dies the death of a thousand qualifications when you try to prop it up as the source of Christian theology it becomes laughable to all except hard core atheists and skeptics who merely want to discredit Christianity not on historical grounds but because they hate the message it conveys.
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