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| From: (Anonymous) |
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January 21st, 2004 06:49 am (UTC)
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The corruption of the natural world and the diacotemy of man.
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In order for you to even see my point of view, you will have to do two things: one you will have to presuppose that the Bible is true, and secondly, you will have to step outside of your own worldview and into a Christian worldview, if for only a brief second, to grasp my arugment against your position on God.
Having said that, lets take a look at why there is suffering of the innocent in the world. First, nature is the design and construction of God. At the fall (this is the main focus of my position) sin entered into the world. Sin did not enter in as a man or figure bound to roam the earth. Rather, sin entered into the genetic makeup of the natural world as it was. Thus, nature literally became corrupted. Nature itself was now on a path of corruption and decay. Secondly, sin entered into the diacotemy of human beings. Humans are made up of two things: a spiritual self (that is to say the consciousness or the "i" we refer to when talking about ourselves), and a physical body. At the fall of Adam and Eve sin entered into both aspects of human existence. First, our physical bodies were raped of life and left to slow grow into our death. Secondly, our spiritual selfs became cut off from God thus leaving us spiritually dead and with no hope of eternal life. It is because of sin that the natural world seems to harm and kill human beings. And it is because of sin in the diacotemy of man that we have genetic problems, cancer, death, innocent suffering, war, and ect. Also, if one is a Christian of Biblical understanding then they would know from the account of Job as it were that God can in his great nature alone allow the suffering of any of his people to show their trust and loyalty to him above all else.
This post was not ment to change your view, but it was meant inform you so that you can persue this subject or continue making grandeous remarks based solely on your interpretation of the world.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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January 2nd, 2005 02:31 pm (UTC)
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God is evil
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As the Bible indicates, Lucifer rebelled against a perfect God and in doing so sinned. He was cast out of heaven and has sought to rule this earth. Thus a great controversy between God and Lucifer is now transpiring: Is God unreasonable and unfair, or is he/she fully good and compassionate? In order to display before the universe the true character and intent of the fallen Lucifer (Satan), God has obviously set limits on his/her freedom at this time to always interfere with the plots and designs of Satan. This is obvious because God permitted his/her own son to suffer and die on the cross. But in doing so, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, paid the price for all of our faults and sins. Only by letting sin run its course (which I hope will be over soon!)can God be sure that the host of angels and all the unfallen world can see that Lucifer's initial rebellion against God was unreasonable and totally self-serving. There's no greater evidence of the true character of Satan (who calls himself the prince of this world) than that the innocent and children should suffer as a consequence of living in a world where the banners of Satan reign: these are war, lust, pestilence, famine, terrorism, violence, perfidy, and natural disasters (which Satan evidently has some power over).
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From:  vexen |
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January 3rd, 2005 03:38 pm (UTC)
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Re: God is evil
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"Lucifer" is hardly mentioned in the Bible, and not in a negative light. http://www.dpjs.co.uk/lucifer.html (if your ignore the bit about Satanism at the beginning) is about this, see the footnotes. The crucifixion makes no sense, see my full explanation: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_crucifixionfacade.htmlJesus' death is not a logical part of god's plan, is unnecessary for an all-powerful god, etc. I'd say it's more likely to be an evil trick of Satan! (If I was inclined to believe it happened). Why did God create beings such as Satan, why did God create beings that have a nature inclined towards Sin? What's the point? And why would God let innocent people, animals, etc, suffer because of SOMONE ELSES choice? It's immoral, unjustified, illogical. The "good" god that you theorize about is a a confused liar, or a complete hallucination!
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From: vexen |
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March 30th, 2005 09:15 am (UTC)
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Re: Perfect world
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God only needs to TEST, if there is something it doesn't KNOW. God knows everything - it knows EXACTLY what tests we will pass and fail in the future. So what's the point of the testing? Why not simply put those who will fail into hell, those who will pass into heaven, and not have to bother with all the confusion inbetween?
And why is a test necessary at all? Why does God create people that can fail this test?
If God is good, and cannot fail such a test (as it obvious it hasn't failed, given that God is in heaven), then why didn't God create many other beings that are also good, but yet do not fail such a test?
Given that, when God creates a given person, it knows whether it is creating someone that will pass or fail, why does it create ones that will fail?
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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September 3rd, 2005 03:08 am (UTC)
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Natural evil?
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In reading your comments about an "evil god" or why He allows natural disasters if He is in fact "Good", I found an educated response from another website that I believe answers this issue with Biblical integrity and preciseness. Here is the author's conclusion after a lengthy essay about how and why earthquakes (natural disasters) occur:
"Conclusion: In view of the recent Sumatra disaster, some are asking, as noted earlier: “Why does God allow these horrible catastrophes to occur? Why does he not prevent them, or divert them away from where people are, or defuse them once they begin?” These questions doubtless are sincere, but they fail to take into consideration all the facts.
One might as well ask: “Why does God let people die?” They do – every day. According to the latest statistics, 153 thousand people worldwide die each day. That is almost 56 million per year. But we know why visits us. “Therefore, as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and through sin; and so spread to all men, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). is a divine appointment (Hebrews 9:27) as a punishment for humanity’s corporate responsibility in rebelling against the Creator (cf. Genesis 2:17).
Similarly, the blighted conditions of today’s globe, which are the result of our forefather’s rebellion against God, are the price tag we have picked up on account of human sin – because humanity continues the legacy of the corruptness characteristic of our ancient ancestors (Genesis 6:5,11; cf. Romans 8:20-22; 2 Peter 3:5-7).
Let us therefore close with this little exercise in logic.
No wickedness, no Flood.
No Flood, no change of earth’s environment.
No change of earth’s environment, no geological disasters.
Thus, no wickedness, no geological disasters.
Now just who is responsible for the trouble on this “planet in rebellion”? The fault for these disasters is not God’s. It is humanity’s!
We should be humbled by these events, and brought closer to our Maker – rather than ely accusing him of injustices."
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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July 1st, 2006 02:29 pm (UTC)
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Re: God does exits
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Hey, dumbfuck. Learn to spell properly, first of all. Secondly, I don't give a shit if I land in Hell or not. You people are so stupid. Not EVERYTHING is categorized into good and evil. Nobody is condradicting everyone else, and people can believe different things than your stupid fucking God. I've read the Bible, and when I did, I couldn't believe it. While you and your people say that this is the true theory, then how can you say that another person's theory isn't true? You say all else is false. Well, what if it isn't, and you are just denying the true meaning of it all? Oh, did you also consider the past of the Church? Women burn because they are thought to be "evil". Anyone who says differently from God is killed. What kind of good God does this, and what kind of followers believe this is a good deed?
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From: vexen |
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August 4th, 2006 05:54 am (UTC)
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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March 17th, 2007 05:08 pm (UTC)
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"free will"
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"FREE WILL" "FREE WILL" "FREE WILL" !
This is what people shout out to you when you ask why Adam, Eve, the Devil, or anybody would choose Evil, but it doesn't make any sense to me anymore.
I used to be an avid believer in free will, but then came to some realization that there's no way it could really exist. I mean if everything is caused by something, then how could our wills be "genuine first causes" (or whatever the smart priests and people say about it) if you have to "want" something before you "chose" it then the desire is forcing you to chose what you want, therefore the desire is to blame not the choice, and you can say "well I could have not listened to my desire" , but the choice to not listen to your first desire was just caused by another stronger desire alltogether from a different part of your brain, so it's still not free will doing the causing. I think that the illusion of free will evolved as a tool to help us decipher who we can punish and reward to create deterrant and thus a survival advantage.
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I think you may have touched a few nerves with this post.
My religious acquaintances (some fundamentalist/evangelical, some liberal/"new age"), who tell me how wonderful God is, and how grateful they are to Him [it], engage in many good deeds, such as feeding and clothing the poor and hungry, caring for the sick, aiding the oppressed, and protecting the environment.
(I do a few of these good deeds myself, though without talking about my [non-existent] religious belief.)
As they are not stupid people, at some level they must realize that God does not create or allow so much suffering solely for the purpose of allowing them to feel good about how virtuous they are by trying to alleviate suffering. I am not holding my breath waiting for them to admit this or discuss how evil their God must be.
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