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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: June 20th, 2004 06:01 am (UTC) |
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natural evil and God
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okay, so u guys think that god causes all these natural disasters which we term as 'natural evil'. right, where shall i start... basically the governments of different countries all over the world r testing nuclear weapons and other dangerous stuff...they test this stuff in oceans or underground...if u lot know ur science (i dont mean 2 be rude..) then u will understand that these vibrations from the testings travel..as sound travels...this sound then causes the convectional current in the earths mantle (which controls the movement of the earth's plates) to move around a lot.. this can have many implications..the most common is that the plates collide into each other which causes earthquakes...now, away from the science lesson, and back to god. god has given humans freewill, so he didn't command the goverenments and others 2 carry out this testing..they did it on their own behalf..so y then do we blame god 4 this? we REAP WHAT WE SOW! now, u mayb thinkin, all right so then y doesnt god stop this? my reply 2 that would be that y should god? nobody respects him, nobody believes that he exists...then what do u want god 2 do? i hope this clears everything up, if not then i'm sorry 4 wasting ur time. i am also sorry if i sounded offensive...i didn't mean it!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: July 1st, 2006 02:53 pm (UTC) |
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Re: natural evil and God
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This is where I sigh, roll my eyes, and flick this off. You ever seen the film "Core"? Cause that's exactly the theory that the film has, and it is entirely fictional. No human force has been known to even so much as move a freaking plate or disrupt the magnetic flows or whatever. The Earth is HUGE. Get that into your brain. HUGE. Humans are so full of it, and I don't care if I am human, I hate myself for being so. We think we're so great, so powerful. Yet we are nothing, upon this Earth. Not even a nuclear explosion is so massive, if you look out on the Earth from space. A speck. Tiny. And, repeating your last sentence, I don't mean to sound offensive either. None of us should sound offensive. Everybody gets their own word here.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: January 21st, 2004 06:49 am (UTC) |
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The corruption of the natural world and the diacotemy of man.
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In order for you to even see my point of view, you will have to do two things: one you will have to presuppose that the Bible is true, and secondly, you will have to step outside of your own worldview and into a Christian worldview, if for only a brief second, to grasp my arugment against your position on God. Having said that, lets take a look at why there is suffering of the innocent in the world. First, nature is the design and construction of God. At the fall (this is the main focus of my position) sin entered into the world. Sin did not enter in as a man or figure bound to roam the earth. Rather, sin entered into the genetic makeup of the natural world as it was. Thus, nature literally became corrupted. Nature itself was now on a path of corruption and decay. Secondly, sin entered into the diacotemy of human beings. Humans are made up of two things: a spiritual self (that is to say the consciousness or the "i" we refer to when talking about ourselves), and a physical body. At the fall of Adam and Eve sin entered into both aspects of human existence. First, our physical bodies were raped of life and left to slow grow into our death. Secondly, our spiritual selfs became cut off from God thus leaving us spiritually dead and with no hope of eternal life. It is because of sin that the natural world seems to harm and kill human beings. And it is because of sin in the diacotemy of man that we have genetic problems, cancer, death, innocent suffering, war, and ect. Also, if one is a Christian of Biblical understanding then they would know from the account of Job as it were that God can in his great nature alone allow the suffering of any of his people to show their trust and loyalty to him above all else.
This post was not ment to change your view, but it was meant inform you so that you can persue this subject or continue making grandeous remarks based solely on your interpretation of the world.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 29th, 2004 03:49 am (UTC) |
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Re: The corruption of the natural world and the diacotemy of man.
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Evolution has created man, from the experiences of nature all natural living things evolved. Man and all other creature have evolved for survival in their ecological niche. Intelligence arose as a result of this evolutionary pressure. Natural disasters are just another force that helps shape ecology.
To attribute a moral argument to a natural phenomenon is wrong. Evolution and natural disasters are not moral or amoral. Morality is used by man to help order society, and is a mechanism of social control. Morality as such cannot be attributed to a higher power. Morality, mores, values, labelling stereotyping etc are all usefull and sometimes not usefull tools for thinking and classifying and instructing people.
It is possible to have a belief in god, and also believe in a natural world that is shaped by evolution. Indeed it is reductionist to attribute morality and fate to the actions of God.
The idea that it is possible to have an ideal world free from suffering negates the underlying mechnism of evolution. Suffering is part of what we are, their never was an ideal world, because if there was evolution would not have created us, it would be a static world that would not change. Indeed history would not exist in such an ideal world as nothing would change. It is when things change, and evolve that u then meet what is truely human.
Original sin did not corrupt the world as we did not exist prior to evolution creating us...ie the corruption per se created us!
What I believe is that we are on journey or a process of ever greater enlightenment with god, and that we are gradually climbing out of the morass to achieve a closser alignment with god. From my point of view this does not negate the idea of redemption, indeed it is critically important for us humans to recognise our failings and limitations, and that we all need redemption. However it does mean that there was no original sin, instead it means that the dark side is part of ourselves and that we have to recognise this failing for true redemption to take place.
Natural disasters just acquaint us with what the natural world really is, random, capricious, deadly but also wonderfull. It is how we deal with this that marks us, and indeed shapes us, into more compassionate, understanding humans.
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From: vexen |
Date: December 30th, 2004 07:15 am (UTC) |
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Re: Natural Evil/Suffering
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The question is "Why does God allow Suffering?" The answer is "So that you recognize blessings which are the opposite of sufferings."This is a classic argument, which I call the "experience theodicy". Unfortunately, it's also one of histories less resilient defences of evil, and it doesn't hold up as a good explanation. See: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/theodicy_experience.htmlJudging by all the evidence we have, such as natural disasters, life being based on death via the food chain & disease, the needless creation of evil and suffering, it is very hard to uphold the belief that if there is a god it is good. It is much more likely that if there is a God, it is evil, not good, and not even neutral, but full-on evil. Some reasons why you could think God was evil: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/god.htmlYour question on angels is a good one, because some people think that angels & demons are responsible for natural disasters. Personally I think that their causes are simple physical causes, tectonic plates moving, normal things like that and not anything supernatural.
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