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| From: (Anonymous) |
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May 30th, 2003 12:27 am (UTC)
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"It is true that, if a neutral person could choose a type of religion given their records, he would be unethical to choose the monotheistic strain of religion - the one that is the single main cause of 90% percent of all the worlds wars and genocides."
True. But if I go around killing people in your name it does not mean that you are wrong, immoral, evil, what-have-you. It means that I have some issues that need to be dealt with. Most people don't know their religion for shit because they were either raised that way, or had a "spiritual experience" that caused them to believe what they do without questioning it. This is why most religious persons have to resort to killing. They do not know whether or not their religion is actually true based on logic and reasoning so in order to "beat" the other deity they have to kill the followers. Although, the Koran actually tells its followers to have people "convert or die". Almost every time two religions "conflict" they must be dealt with this way because they have no way to test it for truth. Christianity on the other hand, can be tested due to the historic nature of the doctrine, which is sad because so many Christians think their belief is just like everyone else's.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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June 15th, 2004 07:37 pm (UTC)
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Ok, I just have to show that I have read the Bible, all of it, not once but six times and I have started reading it again for the seventh time! Why? Because it fascinates me that some people believe it to be the "word of God" and I can't see why. Almost every page contains something that bothers me. However, to save space I will only quote one example. It is from Matthew 24:29-30 supposedly spoken by Jesus :
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory".
There are several things that bother me about this, for example, as everyone knows, stars are mostly vey big. If they fell from "heaven" the earth would be destroyed so the tribes wouldn't be alive to see the remaining dramatic events. Clearly, Jesus thought that stars are small and that our puny gravity could attract them. I would expect the son of God to be a little better informed, wouldn't you? It is also obvious from this reading (and many others) that "heaven" is what we would call the sky. So do I believe in "heaven" ; yes, I have seen it many times and I've been there (in an aeroplane), but I don't want to spend eternity there, dispite the brilliant views. We know that the light from the moon is just the sun shining on it, so clearly the moon could not "give up her light" as she hasn't any. From this and many other examples, it is obvious that the people of the Bible had a poor understanding of the universe and that includes Jesus, who was supposedly in direct contact with God (or IS God according to some "authorities"). As for the Son of man coming in the clouds? Sorry, I just don't believe that's going to happen (and neither do you - go on - admit it).
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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November 8th, 2004 09:04 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I believe you have read the Bible. What astonishes me, is how you can read it 7 times and not believe. Well, since you don't believe and, therefore, DON'T KNOW GOD, it is all "foolish" to you. To us that do belive, we realize who God IS. God can make anything happen ... even Jesus riding in on the clouds! AND HE WILL AT THE APPOINTED TIME. You just don't understand who God is. As God says in the Bible, "My ways are not your ways." He also says our "wisdom" (human wisdom that is) is nothing but "dung." It just doesn't mean anything. God's wisdom is the wisdom to have. But, of course, you don't know God so, you can't gain His wisdom. Like I've said before, stop talking about God because you don't know Him. When you do come to know Him (and I pray you do) please feel free to create a whole website about Him (boy, what a great evangelist you would make if you were on the side of God). Just, please, do all of us a favor, STOP TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, GOD AND JESUS!!! PLEASE!!! I don't care if you talk about all those other, false, satanic religions, but STOP talking about God and Christianity! You don't have a right to if you are not a TRUE, BORN-AGAIN, BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIAN. Remember, you know Satan well and he knows you. TALK ABOUT HIM AND HOW TO GET TO KNOW HIM BETTER. Explain all of his great traits (HA! HA! what a joke). I should be a comedian. Get out of the "GOD" business! Gee, remember, you don't believe in Him. Why do you talk about Him so much??? I know, you must, real down deep, be afraid you are wrong about HIM??? Well, and I say this lovingly, YOU ARE WRONG. But, I can't convince you of that! REMEMBER, you love Satan and he hates you. Satan does not love ... he's incapable. As for Christians, we are full of love ... God's love. :>
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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December 12th, 2011 08:32 pm (UTC)
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I see where your coming from, but do you really take everything you read as exactly literal:
"The stars will fall from heaven" - are the stars we see in heaven? That is one question, if we answer this yes, then stars can fall and not hit Earth, there is nothing that makes the assumption they fall and hit Earth.
"the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light" - the sun will be darkened, pretty obvious that the sun will 'go out' and God being all powerful can do this, therefore consequently "the moon shall not give her light" as there is no sun - the moon does in effect have a light otherwise we would not see it, as you can read, the sequence of events makes scientific sense, no sunlight - no moonlight
"'heaven' is what we call the sky" - just becuase heaven is quoted as being 'up' or 'above us' does not mean it is the sky - we cannot reach heaven, so therefore as we can fly through the 'sky' that cannot be what the Bible refers to as heaven.
The Bible was people written, God inspired. It has predicted so much more than even scientific knowledge from 50-60 years ago could have predicted. It said binge drinking would become a culture, it even told us disease would become resistant to man made drugs, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but even by historians the Bible is a very reliable historical text - it has many other texts supporting it, it was written much closer to the events it talks about than many other highly aclaimed historical texts, it has remained wholey unchanged dispite numerous translations - not adaptations. The fact such a coherent book was written by such a wide variety of people indicates a somewhat greater orchestration of its writing - and not by a commitee or panel of people.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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June 10th, 2004 08:23 am (UTC)
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I suggest you look to the origin of the Bible! It comes straight from God. It's His instruction book for us while we are here on earth. You know, if your heart is "hardened" to God and His Truth (Bible), you will NEVER believe what I'm saying or anyone else, for that matter. I can only pray your heart is not hardened yet. Satan IS the ruler of this world, God cast him down here when he "rebelled" and tried to "usurp" God. But God IS "fair and just" and was so to Satan before throwing him into hell ... so, God decided to give him a "trial" of sorts and we are his trial. As Jesus/God said in the Bible, "You serve one of two masters." There is not a "Gray area." You either serve God or Satan. Satan is VERY REAL and present on this earth. As Jesus calls him, "The prince and the power of the air." Satan is the father of lies and deceit. He prowls the earth looking for people like you, who do not know God, and are vulnerable to be swayed to his side (remember the "trial"??). He makes you believe that you should do everything that "feels good" to you and to hell with everyone and everything else. He also sways you into not believing what God has said. He did that with Eve in the Garden, he said, "You don't really believe God and what He has told you? Do you? And he then deceived her into eating the "forbidden fruit" of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He told her, "If you eat of this tree you will know ALL that God knows and become like Him." Yes, Satan is very real, ... the Serpent of Old, the father of lies and deceit. It's too bad he swayed you to his side. You see, even Satan knows the deity of God/Jesus. Actually, Satan knows "scripture" and has a better understanding of theology and who Jesus Christ is better than any "born-again" Christian! This is because God created "Lucifer" and he was one of God's most beautiful and most powerful angels. He, at one time, dwelt right with God, until he rebelled and he was cast down to the earth. It's funny, everyone believes that Satan is some ugly, red, horned being. When, actually, he is "VERY BEAUTIFUL." You see, that's why he is soooo deceiving. He makes every "sin" seem delightful and good. But you see, when Eve at the forbidden fruit, God told Adam and Eve if they did, they would surely "die" ... not only "physically" , but more importantly, "spiritually" ... and then sin entered the human race and God cursed the earth. However, God always knew this would happen and He made a provision for His creation because He loves us, he sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the Cross for ALL of our sins, past, present and future so that we may become Holy in His sight and we can then commune with God and live erternally in Heaven with Him. You see, because of the fall of man (to sin)through Adam, we are all born inately to "sin." I mean you never have to teach a child to be "bad" do you??? It just comes "natural." You have to teach the child to be good though, don't you??? So, I pray erenestly that God breaks down the walls of your heart and Satan's hold on you, so you can become free of the slavery of "sin" and have a personal, loving, etc. relationship with Jesus Christ. Not that you will NEVER sin again, but when you invite Jesus into your heart and confess you are a sinner and can do nothing about it without His help, He will come and reside in your heart. And, as you read God's Word and the Holy Spirit will help you discern it, when you do sin, YOU WILL KNOW IT BIG TIME, and will then desire to turn from it. You still have your "free will" and "old sin nature." You never get rid of that until you die and go to heaven. However, you will be free of the "slavery to sin." You will feel so free and happy, it's undescribable. You will have a "true" happiness that is not of this world, but from God. And you will desire to please and serve God, which will bring you that "true happiness" that you really desire and don't understand why you can't seem to ever achieve and/or find it. It's because that void in your heart/mind, is the absence of God in your life. As I said, I can NEVER make you believe, ONLY God can do that. :>
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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June 15th, 2004 05:54 pm (UTC)
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Today, whilst trying to repair my garden gate, a boy of about 7 years approached and asked me what I was doing. Pleased that someone was interested in my problem, I told him about the rusty bolts and how the heavy metal gate had suddenly broken loose and what I planned to do about it. Thinking that he might have a thirst for knowledge and as it was a beautiful day with a clear blue sky, I said "I wonder why the sky is blue". I suspected he didn't know and would enjoy finding out. However, I was wrong, for he immediately replied "Because God made it blue. He made everything!".
So for him, no further investigation necessary. I couldn't help thinking that if everyone thought like that, we would still be living in the dark ages. No modern medical facilities. No electricity. No printing presses. No computers. No cars. No bombs. Hey, maybe we'd be better off ! Then I realised that he would probably grow out of his simple explanation for everything and I decided to leave it there and not try to change him. Then, suddenly, without any particular reason I asked him another question. "Why is it that monkeys, cats and mice have tails, but we don't?". He said "Because God didn't want us to have tails". I didn't ask any more questions. Oh, by the way, the gate is now fixed and works better than ever !
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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July 19th, 2004 02:42 am (UTC)
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Hi You really are quite sad and on that day when Jesus returns and EVERYONE has to bow and worship him then you will be so sorry to have said such things, but by then it will be too late for you, please don't let it be too late for all of you, know that your purpose and the reason that we are all here is to serve Him, God sent his only son to die on that cross so that we might have eternal life, would you send your child (if you have one) to be beaten and whipped so that you could no longer tell he was a man? would you allow him to have a crown of thorns beat into his head? would you then watch as he carried his own heavy cross for miles and then see him put himself onto it and then be nailed to it? I most certainly would not want that for my child and I wouldnt be able to do that myself, but Jesus did that for us all alone, and still at the end he cried out 'father please forgive them for they don't know what they do', 'not my will but yours be done', can you imagine that someone would do that for you, so that all the sin in your life could be forgiven and could go on being forgiven? its just amazing to me that anyone would do that for me!!! Only God can soften the hearts of the unbelievers and I pray that when the time comes and Jesus returns that you will have realised the truth and come to know Him for yourself, its a hard path to walk for Him and only true men and women can do it and can stand up and say yes I believe and without him you will go to hell and you will burn for eternity, I most certainly do not want this to happen me and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
This is so serious and you all need Him, without Him its impossible to please the Father, God and I wouldn't want to face God's wrath.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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July 29th, 2004 10:20 am (UTC)
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Yeah Yeah what utter rubbish by the way you santimounius Christian you are a damn sinner too so don't YOU forget that especailly with all the slavery your kind inflicted on Africa and other parts of the World saying your doing this for "God"
The Fall Of Mam? how about the deliberate stumbilation of Man just to eleivate the bordom after all if God Is all Good why create a tree of Good and Bad in the 1st place if he is all Good? Satan , if free will is for all creatures and Satan was puffed up with pride why bother putting a tree there? Satan would have tried something else to pull man down, so he sent His son did he? and er how exactly do you see "this son" is he God? how can anyone belive half of these so called Christians who say God is the Father the Son and The Holy Ghost, do you so called Christians actually know ? NO YOU DON'T KNOW and what type of God has a HELL to burn his human creatures for the 80 or 90 years of "sin" they were alive on the Earth an Evil God that is what,
You lie about hell because if Satan is in opposition to God, no way will he make hell for God and burn humans , there no matter how wicked because it would backfire on Satan spectacluarly, if God exisits you wouldn't need to be dead for Him to show what happends if you are bad, He would simply show you, show every human who ever lived.
And what is the point of making a planet if when you are "good" you go to heaven, don 't give me your "test on Earth" rubbish, you forget about the Angels that came to the Earth to "fornicate" with the daughters of men? So what happens to Earth is it blown up? and the amount of contradictions in the Bible if this God "cannot tell a lie" are so numerous it is unbelievable.
Confess you are a sinner? why what for ? to live in Christian guilt every single second of our lives when really all this is
nothing more than an experiment with fleshy slaves to see how they act when they are both "Good abnd Bad"? you talk rubbish Christian. After all it is you religions who hampered and backwardised people in your own selfishness and greed rrather regonising that what came from the Human mind could potentially come from God Yes your stupid Roman Catlic religion and the bleeding Prostants as well
And how can you be "Born Again" huh? you are born once unless you die and are ressurected God is "fair and just" another lie as you would throw the very liar, deciver and murderer of your Earthly children to the planet they are on, tell me the justice in that hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
You talk the cliche talk yet you fail to explian these things Chritian
Black Angel
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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November 16th, 2004 05:48 pm (UTC)
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You simply don't want to believe in God/Jesus. No one can make you believe. I pray you do some day. Why are you looking for reasons NOT TO BELIEVE??? Why not look for the reasons to believe??? Also, I'm a "born-again" Christian and Jesus stated in the Bible, "When the world hates you and persecutes you, remember that IT HATED ME FIRST." So, I understand your hatred of me and why you love to persecute me. I also accept it. And, as Jesus/God says in the Bible, "Love your enemies. If one slaps you on one cheek, turn the other so it can be slapped." So, I accept your slap and love you with a Godly love and full of prayer for you that you come to know God's Truth. Gee, I sound evil, don't I???? How is that evil??? You make no sense. Also, myself, as a born-again Christian and other true born-again Christian's, goal in life is to bring God's Word to all peoples/nations of the earth so all will know God's truth and, along with doing that, we feed & cloth the poor, visit prisoners in prison and help all people in time of need. We do this not for ourselves but for the people we are helping and for God. We don't do it selfishly, etc. How is that evil? And my faith in God/Jesus leads me to do these things. So, how could God/Jesus be evil? I believe you just love being rebellious towards God! Well, have at it. I can only say you will be sorry on the day you die. Are you willing to take that chance? Remember, your "eternal destiny" depends on your decision. :>
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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August 6th, 2005 11:39 am (UTC)
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I believe in God. I know I don't understand anything about 'him/her/it/them', even though I've read lots of stuff about different beliefs of what 'it' is. If you go to Google Earth and look down on how sparkly the world is, you have to admit, we've got something going on in comparison to the dull lumps of rock around us. Arguing about it all just defeats any good feelings you get from having faith, and makes for a miserable conversation. It doesn't take a lot to know, in your heart, what is right and what is wrong. I believe that we all believe the same things, and those things are simple manifestations or reflections of our own humanity. Some people think they know more than others. I think that the truth is that we actually know shit. Either we are flourishing, or we are surviving. It depends on how you feel each day. But the truth about what we all are, as humans, is very easy to see. You barely have to think to know the truth. I suppose you need ears and eyes though. Psychologists believe that we all have the same needs, but different wants, depending on how we have chosen to identify ourselves. We can't even meet all our own needs yet. Why would 'God' give us anything else to play with? I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything, but we perhaps we should start every conversation with 'Hi, I'm Id, I don't know shit but...'. Then how could we wouldn't be able to say 'Hi, I'm Id I don't know shit, but I think you're going to go to hell'. It would just sound stupid. Coz that's what we are, even though we might be a bit sparkly.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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August 6th, 2005 11:42 am (UTC)
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I believe in God. I know I don't understand anything about 'him/her/it/them', even though I've read lots of stuff about different beliefs of what 'it' is. If you go to Google Earth and look down on how sparkly the world is, you have to admit, we've got something going on in comparison to the dull lumps of rock around us. Arguing about it all just defeats any good feelings you get from having faith, and makes for a miserable conversation. It doesn't take a lot to know, in your heart, what is right and what is wrong. I believe that we all believe the same things, and those things are simple manifestations or reflections of our own humanity. Some people think they know more than others. I think that the truth is that we actually know shit. Either we are flourishing, or we are surviving. It depends on how you feel each day. But the truth about what we all are, as humans, is very easy to see. You barely have to think to know the truth. I suppose you need ears and eyes though. Psychologists believe that we all have the same needs, but different wants, depending on how we have chosen to identify ourselves. We can't even meet all our own needs yet. Why would 'God' give us anything else to play with? I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything, but we perhaps we should start every conversation with 'Hi, I'm Id, I don't know shit but...'. Then we wouldn't be able to say 'Hi, I'm Id I don't know shit, but I think you're going to go to hell'. It would just sound stupid. Coz that's what we are, even though we might be a bit sparkly.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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April 21st, 2005 02:59 am (UTC)
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I like the way you think, and enjoyed your comments on monotheism. Here are some speculations of why monotheisms seem so bellicose:
It seems that there is a great deal of arrogance in the monotheistic way of thinking. I picture priests arguing like bullies in a school yard. "My god is greater than your god." And the argument escalating until one priest yells "My God is all powerful and all wise, and further more, yours doesn't even exist!" Of course, there is no way to know if such a religious arms race was the origin of monotheism, but is feels right. It may have happened that way, and this arrogance may help to explain the bellicosity of monotheisms.
Another possible source of monotheistic bellicosity is insecurity. Perhaps, deep down, most monotheists have doubts. The presence of unbelievers is a thorn in the side that constantly excoriates these doubts. Perhaps in trying to eliminate people who disagree with them, monotheists are attempting to eliminate their own doubts.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
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July 21st, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
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the cornerstone "eisms" of religion...
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There are therefore religions that are:
theist,monotheist,deist,pantheist,polytheist,athiest,agnostic{or open minded skeptical-such as Universism},these to my understanding are te "eisms"{well and "ic" as in agnostic}that all religions amongst humanity seem to be built upon, the basic building blocks of such, the cornerstones,the basis.
best
HAIL
in reason:
Bill Baker
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