From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 5th, 2002 04:09 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Sad, Sad

Just a sad attempt to excuse Christianity’s idiocy.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: April 5th, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Conformity in your rebellion

I think the worst part of all of this, is that while most here are so frighten of one sort of comformity and praise, they so eagerly, and so blindly run into another.

There is little difference between Christians and Lavey's form of Satanism.

Oh, there isn't? But wait, there is more.

Christianity stole many of the Pagan's holidays, then attempted to monopolize religion by being a "supreme way" above all others, no matter how much older all the other religions might had been.

Lavey takes many of the pagan and older forms of santanic religons ideals, then also literally monopolize and claim to be the only true "Satanic" way, while also claiming to be the greatest way. Gee, that soulds a little familiar...

Both are uncompromising, arrogant and believe in their superiority. How is that much of a difference? Because one believes in god and one doesn't? Right. If Lavey's Satanism was the majority, it would be just like its so-called enemy.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: December 17th, 2002 10:43 am (UTC)		(Link)
Anton LaVey

Anton LaVey was a great man. Who has the right to say otherwise??? He might have got ideas from other religions, however what religion hasn't? you are all hypocrites and i loathe you.

Baphomet Crowley LaVey
The Alien Elite

www.anton_lavey@the666club.com

From: (Anonymous)	Date: September 1st, 2003 08:11 am (UTC)		(Link)
Re: Anton LaVey

u r to be praised for this

From: (Anonymous)	Date: April 16th, 2003 01:30 pm (UTC)		(Link)
So Satanism is wrong for Smulo?

So, after reading the article from john Smulo, I can´t understand if he only centralize in LaVey or in Satanism.

It´s simple to understand: Satanism is what it means "with or without LaVey", personally, I wished to meet LaVey, only to take a talk with him. He´s no one that another Satanist, hypocrite or not, but Satanism is true and more real than Christianism.

Thinks that The Christian Bible negate the basic Human desires, so a human will be a calf all life and after dying, he was SAVED....what? after death, we´re only rotten meat. There´s NO scientific proofs of another live. Christianism isn´t bad now, but in past it was the only way to keep the flock calm. So, only the Rich(**) could be who administer the thinking and the rest of people were "free and pure"....free of being as another living animal. If a man uses his own brain he was an heretic, remember that! (** Rich in material and cultural way [Remember that Joan of Arc doesn´t deserve to be a Messenger because he not even can´t read] That means that the only who have power, could be the one who will keep it and no men ar equal).

So... Smulo, don´t question Satanism at you have at least one proof of any valid Christian belief, specially Miracles or Live After Death (not Iron Maiden album)

Satanis.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: September 1st, 2003 08:09 am (UTC)		(Link)
our life

leave this be it is not for you to say
Anton was a wonderful man do not doubt him for he set many of us free.
we enjoy him
leave him be

From: (Anonymous)	Date: October 15th, 2004 06:38 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: our life

We set ourselves free... that is the ESSSENCE of Satanism! Don't forget that!

The moment you say someone else saved you from anything (including saving you from oppression) YOU become a follower, no different then any mainstream religion!

If you don't get the point of Satanic idealism then don't call yourself one!

From: (Anonymous)	Date: April 29th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: our life

I agree wholeheartily!
Lavey is not the Satanic Christ for crine out loud, he was like us-simply a human beeing.

	From: malathion	Date: December 14th, 2003 04:24 am (UTC)		(Link)

Whether or not this was the case is open for debate. However, what is clear is that Zeena and Nikolas’ motivation for making public the myths behind LaVey’s self-created persona does not in itself provide a case against the accuracy of their information. The lack of adequate refutation of such details by the Church of Satan or anyone else is telling.

[snip]

One begins to wonder whether LaVey ever observed the hypocrisy of the Christians he described in the first place, or if like the rest of his story bound life, he merely created it out of his active imagination.

The fact that the Christians have not refuted his points is also telling. To hold Christians to a different standard implies that you may be guilty of hypocrisy if you are one.

In the preface to The Satanic Bible, LaVey wrote: "Herein you will find truth--and fantasy. Each is necessary for the other to exist; but each must be recognized for what it is." A substantial amount of The Satanic Bible, and Satanism, is fantasy - and I believe that many Satanists recognize that, although most don't.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: April 29th, 2005 04:36 pm (UTC)		(Link)

The reason that most don't is because the first way they find out about Satanaims is via the Satanic Bible written by Lavey and the CoS. All of which try to debunk{w/out anything more than bias w/lack of proof} all the other Satanist groups and movements and organizations,etc. So, they get brainwashed into Lavey as hero, CoS as only true satanism{much the same way many Christina herders do to their sheep}and don't care to look into the validity of Laveys claims about himself, the CoS's actions or integrity; they just trust them blindly.
Lavey and the Church are talking about the symbolism w/in Satanism if I'm not mistaken, they are'nt talking about Laveys confabulations{I was reading Laveys Bible the other night, and Lavey points out about braggarts and how their bragginbgs are done not because of a healthy ego-but because they have ego issues and self-esteem issues; it would seem Lavey himself was at the topof this list of oen of these types ofpeopledue to his continued confabulations and propagtaion of them-ditto for the CoS},
It's just as difficult to remain Satanist when those that introduced you to it, whom you at first thought were seriuosly enlightneed and w/great integrity, trun out to be just as hypocritical as Moses, Fundy Jesus, and the fundamentalist/evangelical Christia Church are{this leads most Christians to give up their faith or become liberal christians once they find these truths out}speaking of liberal Christians leaving fundy Catholicism and Protestantism and starting liberal denoms w/more personal integrity; this is what many other Organizations/sects of Modern Satanism have attempted to do in the face of Laveys and CoS hypocrisies, and they provide credible evidence to prove these allegations, but not eh coS-all they do attack all the oters and do it w/venom and bias and a lack of actual proof{sounds like what the Catholic Church did to the Protestant and visa versa}.

Hail Satan
HAIL REASON1

	From: vexen	Date: April 29th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)		(Link)

You said:

"The reason that most don't is because the first way they find out about Satanaims is via the Satanic Bible written by Lavey and the CoS. All of which try to debunk [...] all the other Satanist groups and movements and organizations,etc"

When the CoS was founded and the Satanic Bible was written, no other Satanic organisations existed, and hence the Satanic Bible cannot debunk them. For example the FCoS and ToS were both founded quite a while after The Satanic Bible was written and The Church of Satan was founded, by ex-member OF the CoS.

The main comparable thing that was criticized in The Satanic Bible was the New Age movement, which Anton LaVey hated.

No right-minded Satanist considered LaVey a "hero". Maybe an anti-hero with as many negative personality traits as positive ones. Most do not look into LaVey's claims about himself because they're not into Satanism for LaVey, but for themselves. If we discovered tomorrow that LaVey had done it all for himself, no-one would be surprised, least of all LaVeyan Satanists.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: December 30th, 2003 09:39 pm (UTC)		(Link)
plagiarism of redbeard?

In the foreword to Might Is Right, LaVey claims that he dedicated the Satanic Bible "to Ragnar Redbeard, whose might is right." If this is true, then it looks like he gave credit where it was due. Also, although LaVey may not have had many truly original ideas, what does it matter? I don't worship Anton LaVey, nor do I think he was perfect. his putting different philosophies together to create Satanism is what was important. Whether or not he "plagiarized" or even created a totally false identity is a moot point. True Satanists will not stop being Satanists upon finding out that LaVey wasn't perfect in every way. Nor would they stop being Satanists if a plethora of unsatanic discoveries about LaVey were suddenly made, because it is simply what they are regardless of his actions.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: October 15th, 2004 06:36 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: plagiarism of redbeard?

Read the Satanic Bible... there is a claim that there was a dedication to Ragnar Redbeard... but it is also claimed that they conveniently removed it... why? Why remove the only citation of others' ideas that LaVey took? Further, why did LaVey take much of Crowley's ideas... and Eliphas Levi's ideas... and defame them?!

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 10th, 2004 12:35 am (UTC)		(Link)
A Complete Waste of Time

This Paster wrote an article, assuming that Satanists would care. I never heard Anton LaVey claim his ideas were without precedent, nor do I think any less of him for having used powerful material such as the "plagiarized" Ragnar Redbeard material. As for his not providing footnotes, I can say that the Bible has no footnotes, and if it did, no one would be a Christian. Therefore, in a Satanic Bible, why give footnotes? The difference is that Christians assume that they are receiving everything straight from "GOD", whereas Satanists who use their intellect (say it with me, Christians: in-tuh-lekt) never touted LaVey as a Perfect Being, rather as an author, a man with some ideas, but knew he gained his influences elsewhere. Case in point: all of the Infernal Names are from different cultures from all over the world, and LaVey even gives reference to that in the Satanic Bible. Well, I've squandered enough time here.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: October 15th, 2004 06:33 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: A Complete Waste of Time

You obviously haven't read many bibles have you... the Christian Bible DOES have footnotes to clarify each verse!

Before you make a point, at least make an attempt to know what your talking about!

From: (Anonymous)	Date: May 3rd, 2004 04:52 pm (UTC)		(Link)
So What?

LaVey was no doubt a great man, who brought about the world’s first, aboveground, Satanic religion.

The CoS is not a "LaVey fan club". If every word he ever said about his life was false, then I respect him more for what he has achieved. It would be foolish to assume LaVey told the entire truth about his past (would you?), but this has no hold on the validity of Satanism as a religion whatsoever. Remember the Devil always has been the father of lies!

Remember LaVey taught us to question everything… including him.

At the end of the day, it really makes no difference whether he was lying or not. Satanism is here to stay! Moreover, it's still just as valid regardless of LaVey's credibility as a person. I certainly prefer the myth.

HAIL SATAN!
HAIL ANTON SZANDOR LAVEY!

From: (Anonymous)	Date: October 15th, 2004 06:29 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Re: So What?

According to LaVey's own FBI files LaVey admitted that he had absolutely NO interest in Satanism at all, and the only reason he was involved in the opening of the Church of Satan was to make money. But, as we know from LaVey's bankruptcy forms, we know that he failed to do this. These are facts, facts that prove he was no Satanist.

A Satanist would at least have the ambition to get a job to make his money and run the church the best way he can!

I am an ordained minister (and I started my own church in 1999), I am a certified web designer, and I am a certifed Security Officer with connections in various governments. I am also working on a NEW Satanic Bible (I have approximately a quarter of the manuscript complete and I work on it in my spare time).